SCH Vs. BLM

I'd like to read some reasons why you believe SCH is superior to BLM, or vice-versa as I decide which to take to 75.

My current 75s are PLD WHM RDM DRK THF RNG. What do you feel would best compliment these jobs?

/sigh

This was discussed in the last BLM "QQ" thread.

Here

can't say for sure this is the right one but it has a bit of the bickering about it. Just do a search for the Job Updates from July.

I think everyone knows the basics. If you're a pure e-peen person, and want to get the highest possible nukes, you go BLM.

If you want to be extremely MP efficient and not only be an expert at a BLM's job, but also at a WHM's job, you go SCH.

The truth is, a NAKED SCH has better MP efficiency for nukes than a fully geared BLM (Meaning higher Damage/MP ratio), and can main heal/erase debuffs at a better rate, and have them AoE once every minute as opposed to every 10 minutes on SCH.

Basically, BLM will nuke harder, but SCH will nuke faster, more efficiently, and look a lot better doing it.

Blm will always be superior, not in every category, but overall.

Blm is win.

I've never come across anything OTHER then xp/merit where a sch wins a blm in overall added success to fight. Please list for me as i am curious as to how/when/where/what sch wins a blm.

Well let's take it this way. Pros BLM vs. SCH.

BLM:
-AMII spells.
-Um...
-Hm...

SCH:
-Guaranteed -10% MP cost and cast time through Dark Arts
-Guaranteed additional 10% potency from weather Spell+Obi
-Guaranteed additional 10% potency AND 7 INT from hailstorm+Hyorin Obi
-JA that gives +20% potency every 1 minute
-JA that gives -50% MP cost every 1 minute
-JA that gives -50% cast time and recast every 1 minute
-JA that makes spells like Gravity, Sleep, Bind, Paralyze etc AoE, every 1 minute
-Access to damn near all WHM spells, making the /RDM vs. /WHM debate completely moot
-One of the best sets of both Artifact and Relic armor in the game
-Reraise II...Come on...
-Sublimation? It's better than Refresh.

To Entern's point, unless you specifically need BLM's heavy nukes to dispatch things quicker than you could with SCH it doesn't make a lot of sense to pick over SCH. SCH is capable of filling more roles and will actually get exp invites all the way to 75 as well as merits in both mana-burn and TP burn, PLUS ..it looks sexy in both AF and relic. No one envies BLM's clown pants. lol

i would aggree with sch winning in alot of circumstances if they never went into whm mode, cause if a blm is playing blm they dont use any whm spells, except stoneskin and blink. But ive yet to see one go purely darkmage mode. But if they did, ok thats not bad for fights that are not zerg or fast kill.

Jesus *** Christ on a pogo stick, this ***again?

BLM has higher damage per nuke and Stun. SCH has MP efficiency. Utilize whichever is more appropriate for the given situation. Other benefits included but not mentioned, see above.

Lock thread please.

SCHOLAR IS NOT SUPERIOR.
Perhaps in MP with Damage over time, however, a Scholar cannot match the raw power of a BLM, and the four stratagem maximum is a severe limitation.

Black Mage is still superior in many other ways.

Funny story blm/sch gets most of that too... while being able to nuke much harder on the same spell.

Easier to take to 75? Guess you weren't 1 hitting pets solo on blm lvling it...

Even in best-case-scenario situations, Pet-nuking will only net you about 6-8k. The only BLMs really even do it is because they can't get exp any other way.

I have both Sch and Blm as well. I easily outnuke most well geared blms and it's easier to do so on sch then on blm. Only 3 things Blm has over sch~ AMII, -gas(nukes), & stun. Thing w/ Sch is that when played, it's usually more efficient to do more then just nuke such as aoe buffs etc so really it's never a 100% dark arts job unless you're soloing.

And SCH can even do that better. c.c

Yeah, and then you die, due to lack of Stoneskin. And even RDM will outnuke a dead SCH.

lol yeah, its enfeeb skill is a bit better

Sorry but SCH > BLM.
By far.
AMII is nice, but SCH's Positives outway the negatives.

Lol clearly you haven't been 1hitting pets... I netted over 24k an hour consistently thru out the 60s until I had to move away from pets

Soloing sure. Get actual tanks and its a different story

BLM would be my choice for HNMs & anything high level though~

This, but only single target, BLM has dem Ga's, both have their uses.

Not only is that mathematically impossible (considering 250 exp is the cap for exp per mob, and respawn time is 1 minute, 30 seconds, equating to roughly 11,250 exp per hour MAX if you never had to heal and if mobs were never in awkward positions (Of course, this isn't accounting for chains which give roughly a 15% bonus to exp over time)), but even if you DO take BLM to 75, you get stuck with Mount Zhayolm manaburns which are NEVER over 10k per hour.

Level what you prefer.
If you level BLM, you'll nuke\sleep\stun onry usually.
If you level SCH, you will have to mainheal and backupheal every now and then, and in some situations you wont get to nuke at all.
Both jobs are awsome with the right gear, level what you think fits you better.

This is almost like saying RDM is superior to BLM because of its use of Convert Refresh Haste... If its a Well geared BLM, SCH wont be better. Honestly think of pudding camps you can run around JAing aggroing everything there to still do less dmg... And wooohooo you get more mp in the end but if theres just 1 sch with half mp when everyone is low on mp whats the point? Honestly if you want a RDM job that cant Haste / Refresh others lvl SCH. If you want to do good DMG lvl BLM. Thats all there is to it. Way I look at it SCH is SE's new RDM "jack of all trades". Can tell you for sure tho when I go up to sky I don't like to have someone come SCH if they have BLM. SCH still lakes STUN which is very crutial for endgame. Please save me the laugh of SCH/DRK :)

Yeah, this is clearly bullcrap. The best camp I had was Pso'xja, which was netting me about 12k/hr with band. And yes, I was 1-shotting every time, consistent chain 5. Please don't make me cast Barbullshit on you.

Depends on situation....

You don't see people shouting for SCH over BLM for most things. I'd level both, you obviously have the time with that many 75's anyways

Here is the honest facts.

BLM's pros:
Higher damaged nukes (BLM T4 compared to a SCH T4 with that 20% potency stratagem on).
Access to AMIIs
Access to Blind/Bind/SleepII/Sleepga/SleepgaII without subjobs or JAs.
Access to the 6 Elemental debuffs without subjobs to worry about it.
Access to stronger gear based on INT and nuking (i.e. Macc+, MAB, INT+)

SCH's pros:
Ability to go from DD to healer in an instant
Access to debuff -ga spells
Access to buff -ga spells
Access to weather effects (i.e. full time obis)
Access to weather debuffs
Stratagems and Sublimation.

Now, you can absorb the pros of one job into another job, but out of the two, BLM absorbs the most pros.

For Example, take the bolded statements of this quote:


Ok, some of the bolded statements are a weaker version (i.e. only 2 charges on Stratagems instead of 4, so the timer would be once ever 2 minutes, and RR 1 instead of RR 2) but you got to admit, some of the pros outlined can be absorbed by a BLM/SCH.

BLM/SCH is the best nuker. There is no questions asked, because its got the major pros of a SCH added into the major pros of a BLM. The only problem about a BLM/SCH is that there is no SS/Blink anymore. That can be remedied by a SCH/RDM in the party, who's job is to SS-ga the BLMs every now and then.

So, to answer your question, a BLM is better than a SCH if used right. If you are going pure damage, BLM/Any. If you are going pure Damage/MP, BLM/SCH. If you are going by usefulness, SCH/Any. Thats it.

You don't see people shouting because most BLMs are too stubborn to finally admit there's competition as a nuking job (Aka all the BLMs on this thread), and others just seem to think SCH is just a different version of RDM, and still others that don't realize that SCH requires the use of your BRAIN, unlike BLM which is just a glass cannon.