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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-11 16:04:07
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maldini said: »
I have a message from my banned brother
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By maldini 2015-12-11 16:05:52
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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The absence of something creates something as there is no absolute nothing, just that everything is mostly made up of nothing.
oh that sounds exactly like Dawkins' cop out explanation.
It's really simplified quantum physics. It's too late at night to start talking about dark matter, dark energy, and string theory.

Yes but wasn't he refuted by the exact same person he quoted about "something coming from nothing"?.. don't tell me you guys haven't seen that glorious Dawkins "oh sh!t" moment?

oh let me find this beauty. brb
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-11 16:35:22
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Evolution lol.
Show me how mutations alone in 2 separate entities build up reproductive systems interpendently, that are absolutely useless to the organism where as natural selection would delete them. Then by some miracle these 2 entities after apparently millions of years having these useless systems come together forming a new reproductive system.
To go from Asexual reproduction to male and female requires development in 1 generation. It needs to be instant. And is also a backward step in terms of usefulness to that organism.
Please please explain it by use of evolution and its mechanisms. It is impossible.
Someone doesn't understand evolution!
Or biology.
 
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By maldini 2015-12-11 16:44:53
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Evolution lol.
Show me how mutations alone in 2 separate entities build up reproductive systems interpendently, that are absolutely useless to the organism where as natural selection would delete them. Then by some miracle these 2 entities after apparently millions of years having these useless systems come together forming a new reproductive system.
To go from Asexual reproduction to male and female requires development in 1 generation. It needs to be instant. And is also a backward step in terms of usefulness to that organism.
Please please explain it by use of evolution and its mechanisms. It is impossible.
Someone doesn't understand evolution!
Or biology.

so much ad hominem. why not dismantle the argument instead of taking shots at him?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-11 16:46:58
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I think everyone is collectively tired of talking to him as he's no more responsive than a pile of bricks in a sunny day of winter.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-11 16:49:11
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so much ad hominem. why not dismantle the argument instead of taking shots at him?
We tried, he is immune to logic or reason.
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By maldini 2015-12-11 16:56:55
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I think he was trying to articulate the following question:
How did the male and female of a species co-evolve and what is the advantage of 2 sexes as possessed to one?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-11 17:06:35
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
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I have a message from my banned brother
Who's that?

His brother, duh.
Whose name is...?
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By maldini 2015-12-11 17:14:18
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oh, Blazed.
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By charlo999 2015-12-11 17:24:59
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Evolutionists can't explain Origin of Gender and Sexual Reproduction
In their article entitled The Origin of Gender and Sexual Production the authors Bert Thompson, Ph.D. and Brad Harrub, Ph.D. wrote the following:

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"In his book, The Masterpiece of Nature: The Evolution of Genetics and Sexuality, Graham Bell described the dilemma in the following manner:
‘Sex is the queen of problems in evolutionary biology. Perhaps no other natural phenomenon has aroused so much interest; certainly none has sowed as much confusion. The insights of Darwin and Mendel, which have illuminated so many mysteries, have so far failed to shed more than a dim and wavering light on the central mystery of sexuality, emphasizing its obscurity by its very isolation.’[1]

The same year that Bell released his book, well-known evolutionist Philip Kitcher noted: “Despite some ingenious suggestions by orthodox Darwinians, there is no convincing Darwinian history for the emergence of sexual reproduction.”[2] Evolutionists since have freely admitted that the origin of gender and sexual reproduction still remains one of the most difficult problems in biology (see, for example, Maynard-Smith, 1986, p. 35)....

When pressed to answer questions such as, “Where did males and females actually come from?,” “What is the evolutionary origin of sex?,” evolutionists become silent. How could nature evolve a female member of a species that produces eggs and is internally equipped to nourish a growing embryo, while at the same time evolving a male member that produces motile sperm cells? And, further, how is it that these gametes (eggs and sperm) conveniently “evolved” so that they each contain half the normal chromosome number of somatic (body) cells? [Somatic cells reproduce via the process of mitosis, which maintains the species’ standard chromosome number; gametes are produced via the process of meiosis, which halves that number. We will have more to say about both processes later.]....

It is the complexity of this process, and the manner in which it is copied from generation to generation, which practically drove Mark Ridley to distraction in The Cooperative Gene.

‘No one in human culture would try the trick of first making two copies of a message, then breaking each into short bits at random, combining equal amounts from the two to form the version to be transmitted, and throwing the unused half away. You only have to think of sex to see how absurd it is. The “sexual” method of reading a book would be to buy two copies, rip the pages out, and make a new copy by combining half the pages from one and half from the other, tossing a coin at each page to decide which original to take the page from and which to throw away’[32]

Again, from an evolutionary viewpoint, sex would be considered “absurd.” But from a design viewpoint, it is nothing short of incredible!"

Secondly, creationists Jonathon Safarti and Michael Matthews wrote:

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"Creationists can explain the origin of fully functioning sexual reproduction, from the start, in an optimal and genetically diverse population. Once the mechanisms are already in place, they have these advantages. But simply having advantages doesn’t remotely explain how they could be built from scratch. The hypothetical transitional forms would be highly disadvantageous, so natural selection would work against them. In many cases, the male and female genitalia are precisely tuned so one could fit the other, meaning that they could not have evolved independently."
The evolutionist apologetic website TalkOrigins.org poorly attempts to defend the evolutionary position regarding the origin of gender and sexual reproduction by stating the following:

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"The variety of life cycles is very great. It is not simply a matter of being sexual or asexual. There are many intermediate stages. A gradual origin, with each step favored by natural selection, is possible.(Kondrashov 1997). The earliest steps involve single-celled organisms exchanging genetic information; they need not be distinct sexes."
The creationist apologetic website CreationWiki responds to TalkOrigins.org by responding:

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"As is so often the case, Talk Origins misses the point. The problem with an evolutionary origin of sexual reproduction is not so much the lack of a path, but that mutation and natural selection are incapable of doing the job. An evolutionary origin of sexual reproduction requires the development of two totally different but mutually compatible systems of organs; this multiplies the potential problems and increases the likelihood of failure.
Also, the Talk Origins article overstates what the Kondrashov article actually stated. Here is what the Kondrashov article abstract states:

"The life cycles of cellular species are reviewed from the genetic perspective. Almost all life cycles include stages during which only one genome is transmitted from a parent to its offspring. This, together with interorganismal gene exchange, which occurs regularly in at least some prokaryotes and in the majority of eukaryotes, allows selection to evaluate different alleles more or less independently. Regular genetic changes due to intraorganismal ploidy cycles or recombination may also be important in life cycles of many unicellular forms. Eukaryotic amphimixis is generally similar in all taxa, but the current data on the phylogeny and reproduction of unicellular eukaryotes are insufficient to determine whether it evolved several times or just once. Theoretically , gradual origin of amphimixis from apomixis, with each step favored by natural selection, is feasible. However, we still do not know how this process occurred nor what selection caused it. For reasons not entirely clear, some properties of amphimictic life cycles are much less variable and more conservative than the others. Evolution of many aspects of reproduction requires more theoretical studies, while the existing data are insufficient to choose among the currently competing hypotheses. (emphasis added)[1]"

(regarding the abstract quote above: "Amphimixis is another term for sexual reproduction, generally by the fusion of a male and female gamete and subsequent recombination. The opposite of amphimixis is apomixis: asexual (clonal) reproduction." [2] )

There is a difference between possible and theoretically feasible. Furthermore, the abstract adds some scholarly caution in that it states "we still do not know how this process occurred nor what selection caused it" and also adds that the evolutionists are currently choosing between competing hypothesis."

The evolutionist apologetic website TalkOrigins also defends the evolutionary position quite poorly by stating:

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"Males and females most emphatically would not evolve independently. Sex, by definition, depends on both male and female acting together. As sex evolved, there would have been some incompatibilities causing sterility (just as there are today), but these would affect individuals, not whole populations, and the genes that cause such incompatibility would rapidly be selected against."
CreationWiki.org effectively responds by stating:

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1. Brown did not say that “Males and females would have to evolve independently,” what he did say was that the “complementary reproductive systems of the male and female must have completely and independently evolved at each stage at about the same time and place.” The point is that both systems would have had to evolve without mutual influence.
2.Talk Origins claim, that Males and females must have evolved together because sexual reproduction requires both, is circular reasoning. It is true that for them to evolve they would have to evolve together, but this is Brown’s point, since getting 2 complex but mutually compatible systems to evolve step by step and side by side is incredibly small.

3. The fact that any incompatibility would be selected against, would also tend to prevent any significant change that could lead to sexual reproduction, unless it occurred nearly perfectly in both systems.

Lastly, I would ask the evolutionists this question which a friend of mine posed to an evolutionist: The human female reproductive mechanism uses scent. The mechanism gives a scent that only attracts the sperm cells that it was designed to attract. How could this mechanism evolve step-by-step
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-11 17:31:09
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The evolutionary advantage of sexual reproduction was explained on like, the first class of genetics lol. Not to mention it is also rather intuitive.

Keep flailing, no one cares.
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By charlo999 2015-12-11 17:40:22
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link explaining the various evolutionary theories about gender and reproduction

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Lewis Thomas, the highly regarded medical doctor who served for many years as the president and chancellor of the prestigious Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan, was unable to contain either his enthusiasm or his praise for the system we know as “sexual reproduction.” In his book, The Medusa and the Snail, he wrote about the “miracle” of how one sperm cell forms with one egg cell to produce the cell we know as a zygote, which, nine months later, will become a newborn human being. He concluded:

‘The mere existence of that cell should be one of the greatest astonishments of the earth. People ought to be walking around all day, all through their waking hours, calling to each other in endless wonderment, talking of nothing except that cell.... If anyone does succeed in explaining it, within my lifetime, I will charter a skywriting airplane, maybe a whole fleet of them, and send them aloft to write one great exclamation point after another around the whole sky, until all my money runs out.’[48]
Dr. Thomas’ money is perfectly safe. No one has been able to explain—from an evolutionary viewpoint—the origin of sex, the origin of the incredibly complex meiotic process that makes sex possible, or the intricate development of the embryo (which is itself a marvel of design). At conception, the chromosomes inherited from the sperm are paired with the chromosomes inherited from the egg to give the new organism its full chromosomal complement. Evolutionary theorists ask us to believe that random, chance occurrences brought about this marvelously interdependent process of, first, splitting the genetic information into equal halves, and, second, recombining it through sexual reproduction. Not only is an intricate process required to produce a sperm or egg cell in the first place via meiosis, but another equally intricate mechanism also is required to rejoin the genetic information during fertilization in order to produce the zygote, which will become the embryo, which will become the fetus, which eventually will become the newborn. The idea that all of this “just evolved” is unworthy of consideration or acceptance, especially in light of the evidence now at hand.

Evolution is far from fact. Not to mention all the organic dinosaur tissue found (which is at least getting reported more and has been acknowledged seriously now across the board. Evolutionists rebuttal is to claim the tissue can last 600 million years without degrading LOL) Birds found fossilised with dinosaurs. Cell complexity problems, the list is massive.
 
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By Asura.Regicide 2015-12-11 18:32:28
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when did this thread become a Biology class
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
So, we got away from the topic of those evil Muslims, huh?

Eh, doesn't matter. I think I lost respect points for just about every poster in here either way. We can do better than this.
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