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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-12 16:41:09
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Its the sign of the times and it's pretty much happening everywhere. When the vast majority of people worry about there health, wealth, and safety this happens. I am glad I am pretty secure but I feel for others.
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By maldini 2015-12-12 16:51:35
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wow all my posts deleted by the mods... why?
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By Jassik 2015-12-12 16:53:47
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maldini said: »
wow all my posts deleted by the mods... why?

Off topic, a bunch of mine got deleted as well. (probably less than should have in retrospect)
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-12 16:54:29
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Actually no, Hitler wasn't making war time strategic decisions, his extremely competent Generals were. The German Officer Corps are some of the finest, best trained Officers in the world. Their military genius was one of the corner stones of how the German military crushed everyone else....
Actually Hitler made some fairly important strategic decisions, ones that lost the war IMHO.

1, He delayed Operation Sea Lion until it was invalid as a concept. He should have loaded everything he had on anything that floated immediately after Dunkirk.

2, He opened up the Eastern front while he still had a campaign in Africa and England to worry about.

3, He wasted the finest military mind of the whole war in what he considered a sideshow. I am talking Rommel in N Africa. BTW I believe that only Rommel saw the strategic importance of N. Africa rather than seeing it as a sideshow or stepping stone.

4, The ME 262 could well have been the roof over fortress Europe. But Hitler upon seeing it immediately named it "the blitz bomber" and therefore sidelined it.

These were all personal decisions. And personally I am SO glad he made those miscalls.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-12 17:02:46
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This ^ or else we would all be speaking German.
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By maldini 2015-12-12 17:03:47
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maldini said: »
wow all my posts deleted by the mods... why?

Off topic, a bunch of mine got deleted as well. (probably less than should have in retrospect)

Yeah but the posts that were deleted were in response to some other posts (that weren't deleted). Seems like someone just doesn't like the Maldini. How much would it cost to buy this website? Tell the owner I'll gladly pay him up to 10k USD just to ban the mods that are targeting me.

edit: dead serious. 10k USD
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-12 17:04:57
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If there are any more reports about this thread, I'm just going to lock it. So stay on topic as Anna said.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-12 17:08:38
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I see it happening Europe , but its also happening here in states. I truely hope things become better for all people.
 
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-12 17:10:55
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
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This ^ or else we would all be speaking German.

Not really.

That would mean Germany would have had to invade the US which wouldn't have happened. At worst if they never invaded the USSR it would have been the Middle East and India.

Once Germany attacked Russia the war was over with or without the USA.
You never know when they would have stopped Mr. Floppy
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-12 17:10:59
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maldini said: »
wow all my posts deleted by the mods... why?
All reported posts and posts off topic (from the last page) were deleted. That was the criteria, not any specific person. Last page is only a few posts now.

Directed at everyone: Stay on topic, or any more reports will kill this thread.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-12 17:12:42
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You're just going to provoke *** on being it on purpose...please remove those who misbehave from now on, this topic is important to a lot of us.
 
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By maldini 2015-12-12 17:17:57
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
This ^ or else we would all be speaking German.

Not really.

That would mean Germany would have had to invade the US which wouldn't have happened. At worst if they never invaded the USSR it would have been the Middle East and India.

Once Germany attacked Russia the war was over with or without the USA.

Even if Germany won the war and didn't invade the US, we would all be speaking in German.
If Germany won the war, the founders of hollywood wouldn't have migrated to the US. Hollywood never would have happened - meaning the international pop culture we enjoy today would have never happened.
We would all be listening to Wagner.

That doesn't sound so bad actually.
Wagner or Justin Beiber.. i think the choice is clear.

EDIT:I'm sure my posts were reported purely because they were viewed to be offtopic...
 
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-12 17:22:57
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There will be a distinction made between a few trying to purposely ruin the thread versus everyone talking about US military hardware, for instance. That topic has no relevance on European issues relating to nationalism or populism, except in brief passing. This topic is important to people, hence the issue relating to full on discussions unrelated.

Just stay on topic and you'll have nothing to worry about. It's a warning for all people, including to the people reporting.
 
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-12 17:30:20
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The topic is "Populism and nationalism on the rise in Europe" kinda impossible not to draw Hitler and WWII into it.

We should refrain from discussing military strategy, tactics, and machines though.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-12 17:30:52
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If my friend... If. But who knows . but back on topic. Do you all things will get more polarized or calm down?
 
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By maldini 2015-12-12 17:33:33
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
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This ^ or else we would all be speaking German.

Not really.

That would mean Germany would have had to invade the US which wouldn't have happened. At worst if they never invaded the USSR it would have been the Middle East and India.

Once Germany attacked Russia the war was over with or without the USA.
You never know when they would have stopped Mr. Floppy

Actually we do from history.

The Germans lacked the resources from the start for such a grandscale war. They certainly could not have supplied it all the way across the Atlantic. India would be obvious if there was no war with Russia as it was British at the time.

Germany was losing the war in '43 before America even entered.

The Germans weren't worried though and that attitude of the war persists to this day in peoples interpretation. The nationalism we saw then seems to be human nature. The follies we saw, and the attitude are the same exact ones affecting both Europe and the US today.

EU is dealing with millions of refugees coming into their area. Its normal for there to be some kneejerk nationalistic sentimental backlash reaction. It is temporary and time stamped to the current geo political situation.
EU (western europe) culture and society is firmly in tact and won't revert back to what it was 100 years ago. The european continent is scared with harsh reminders of what happens when they get too inflamed in nationalistic fervor; Millions of people die!

The US on the other hand hasn't been burnt yet. I say that the US is on a trajectory towards civil war because a person like Trump, who has attacked every single minority (latinos, blacks) has 35% of the republican vote in the polls. While that will alarm a lot of democrats and independents, I have to say - what did you guys think was going to happen?
Obama's presidency has been plagued with things like challenging his birth certificate, the Tea Party, Obama being a "secret mozlem". Look at how many cities only in the past two years have had riots and demonstrations due to racist police. How many whistleblowers have come out of the US in the past 4 years?
Heck most texans want to leave the union.
America is going to implode on itself within the next 20 years. It has happened before to other nations/empires that have suffered the same symptoms. most prominently among those symptoms is the MASSIVE WEALTH DISPARITY.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-12 17:38:04
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I don't consider myself rich but I go where I want , buy what I want and do not worry about it. I have friends who have to worry bout such matters though and I am always interested in how they view the world. Guess it does not matter where you are in the world these days. Sad issues everywhere.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-12 17:42:17
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I don't think these nationalistic sentiments should be dismissed. Not anymore at least. True these people always existed, but like Kara pointed out forever pages ago, they used to be a very small minority. Now they're on par with other parties in most countries, and even ahead in a few...that's superfuckingdangerous.
Those people burning camps in Sweden? It doesn't feel all that weird and isolated to us in Europe cause we see everyday people getting angrier and siding with parties that exploit said anger and incite seclusion, breaking the union, going to war, building walls.
Hungary and Slovenia have already started building walls across the borders, that sounds like something from another era but it's happening right now, and it should not be ignored.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2015-12-12 17:47:16
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I don't think these nationalistic sentiments should be dismissed. Not anymore at least. True these people always existed, but like Kara pointed out forever pages ago, they used to be a very small minority. Now they're on par with other parties in most countries, and even ahead in a few...that's superfuckingdangerous.
Those people burning camps in Sweden? It doesn't feel all that weird and isolated to us in Europe cause we see everyday people getting angrier and siding with parties that exploit said anger and incite seclusion, breaking the union, going to war, building walls.
Hungary and Slovenia have already started building walls across the borders, that sounds like something from another era but it's happening right now, and it should not be ignored.
See this on our southern border. Sad, but its the world we live in now.
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-12 19:52:34
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The US on the other hand hasn't been burnt yet. I say that the US is on a trajectory towards civil war because a person like Trump, who has attacked every single minority (latinos, blacks) has 35% of the republican vote in the polls. While that will alarm a lot of democrats and independents, I have to say - what did you guys think was going to happen?
Obama's presidency has been plagued with things like challenging his birth certificate, the Tea Party, Obama being a "secret mozlem". Look at how many cities only in the past two years have had riots and demonstrations due to racist police. How many whistleblowers have come out of the US in the past 4 years?
Heck most texans want to leave the union.
America is going to implode on itself within the next 20 years. It has happened before to other nations/empires that have suffered the same symptoms. most prominently among those symptoms is the MASSIVE WEALTH DISPARITY.
If you don't live here then why so much concern about America Nostradomus? I can't imagine it'll ever happen. If it did. It wouldn't be the 1st time. You sound like the media trying to make things sound a lot more spicy than they really are. The fact that you don't live here just means that you are the product of such spicy information. Which at the end of the day means very little to nothing. It's all about those ratings.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-12-12 19:57:31
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Siren.Akson said: »
If you don't live here then why so much concern about America

A lot of what happens in America affects the whole world
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-12 20:02:07
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
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If you don't live here then why so much concern about America

A lot of what happens in America affects the whole world
I believe that but being so apocalyptic with your vision of America's future is pointless. Things are never as bad as the media portrays things to be. I'm sure America will be fine. 318 million ppl live in America. 99.99% of everyone here do not wind up in your NEWS source information. Too much drama over nothing.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-12 21:22:31
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Its as simple as terrorism works. It makes people afraid.

Then you have politicians who live off these fears. And do just what the terrorists want.

The reemergence of nationalism on the right side of the spectrum should not surprise anyone.

This is ISIS winning the battle for hearts and minds.
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By maldini 2015-12-13 11:04:39
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Siren.Akson said: »
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If you don't live here then why so much concern about America

A lot of what happens in America affects the whole world
I believe that but being so apocalyptic with your vision of America's future is pointless. Things are never as bad as the media portrays things to be. I'm sure America will be fine. 318 million ppl live in America. 99.99% of everyone here do not wind up in your NEWS source information. Too much drama over nothing.

These trends point towards a prosperous future for the US:

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