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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-09-16 22:38:51
This sort of thing makes me seriously wonder why anyone willingly lives in Texas if they don't conform to a very limited stereotype. I've always been of the opinion that getting the hell away from a place that actively despises you is the better part of valor. Not that a 14-year-old can do that, but I'm sure his parents have gotten ***before.
In the meantime, have you guys checked the scale of that clock? Look at the electrical plug. That case is... what, maybe 8"x6"? It's just a fancy pencil case, exactly the sort of thing you'd expect a nerd to own. The clock itself is literally a gutted digital clock like you can buy in any Wal-Mart for about $5. I don't want to sound like I'm knocking the kid for taking apart something that already worked and installing it in something slightly different, but this is not a particularly incredible feat of engineering.
Not that any of that justifies the way his teachers and the police reacted. The only thing that I do wonder is why the hell they went nutso. I know it's super-easy to say, "Well, he's brown and Muslim," and this year has certainly proved that police are *** psychos, but I'm pretty sure I'd only leap to the assumption of "Holy ***, that might be dangerous to other people" when a kid brings in an electronics project if he's somehow been doing something to provoke that response. Like being persistently brown and Muslim in a racist shithole of a state, which is enough, but maybe there's more to the story somewhere.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2015-09-17 02:17:29
Man, everybody is totally taking this the wrong way. It has nothing to do with having brown skin and a foreign sounding name in Texas. In this case, it was somebody using actual science in a school in Texas.
By Skjalfeirdotter 2015-09-17 02:52:09
This is another case of police state *** and race / religious profiling. This should have never happened. People are *** stupid. Thank your government for suppression, propaganda, false flags, staged hoaxs, etc. for the fear and anxiety which caused this and countless other terrible situations to happen. His record should be wiped clean and the state should pay him and his family for the trouble that they have caused him. The teachers and the principles need some better education themselves.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-09-17 02:59:59
Definitely profiling and definitely wrong. Even if it were not profiling this paranoia is getting fking out of hand when even little kids are being treated like this.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-09-17 04:56:51
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Imagine watching him win a third time because being cool goes so far. It's a good PR opportunity for politicians. Hilary expressed her support for Ahmed on Twitter. Not sure who else did.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-09-17 05:12:04
My thoughts:
-A teacher can be ignorant enough to not spot the difference. She saw something "suspicious" and reported it. Fine. That's the reality of the world/country/state they live in. She panicked because of his ethno-religious identity. Again fine.
-What's totally not fine is how they dealt with the boy, after the police came in and everybody learned it was just a silly clock. Something needs to be done about this.
-We need to learn more about the one teacher who knew about this clock before this whole mess happened.
Here's an angry CNN article calling out a few names that foster such profiling (totally agree with him on this one):
Quote: (CNN)The last time I wrote about events in Texas, it was so ridiculous it almost seemed funny. This time, though, I confess my reservoir of sympathy has run nearly dry. Fourteen-year-old Ahmed Mohamed, who attends Texas' MacArthur High School, was arrested for bring a bomb to school.
Except it was a clock.
Ahmed had actually told his teacher that he'd made the clock at home and brought it in to show what he was capable of. Well, one teacher showed us what this country is capable of, too. The police were called, arrested Ahmed on suspicion of building a bomb and the snap of a shocked young teenager in a NASA T-shirt has gone global.
Irving, Texas, is not far from Dallas, the same part of the country that was making a bid for the 2024 Olympics. Before you welcome the world, might I suggest you welcome your own citizens?
On Tuesday, Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz wrote an op-ed for The Daily Beast asking us to pay attention to Islam's "jihadism problem." (A few decades off, but hey, better late than never, guys.) Today, however, America woke up to its Islamophobia problem. It's a reality American Muslims have endured for years.
Because let's be real. The clock didn't look like a bomb. Ahmed just looked to some like someone who might want to make bombs. He's that very menacing brownish color that racists and bigots associate with either everything south of Texas or some country they probably think is called Terroristan. As it happens, he's of African, specifically Sudanese, descent. He's got a doubly Muslim name.
Are you surprised he was arrested?
It's been 14 years since September 11, and some Americans still cannot believe Muslims are human beings, or American Muslims are Americans or that no people shouldn't be judged by the actions of people they are completely unrelated to.
And why? Let's not beat around the bush. We have a whole class of professional bigots -- I've called them "Islamsplainers" -- whose very purpose in the world is to tell us what Islam really is. Except their explanations are based on no evidence, little argument and zero interaction with actual Muslims. They make broad, sweeping, ridiculous generalizations, which would be wholly and completely unacceptable if directed at any other people. Yet America takes them seriously.
It's trickle-down Islamophobia, the opportunistic and grimy peddling of misinformation, making money and accumulating airtime by alarming Americans with exaggerated fears and wholly decontextualized theses.
Glenn Beck. Bill Maher. Robert Spencer. Pamela Geller. Sam Harris. Maajid Nawaz. Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Their views are vile, hateful, ignorant and, frankly, scary. Yet instead of being called out, they continue to receive mainstream endorsement. In fact, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a fellow at Harvard, while Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz's terrible new book was also published by Harvard Press. Is this what passes for intelligent conversation in supposedly sophisticated circles?
Our professional Islamophobes say the same things, over and over again. They publish the same arguments, over and over again. Glenn Beck's new book, cleverly titled "It IS About Islam," is pretty much a rehash of Ayaan Hirsi Ali's latest book, "Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now." (Probably none of them could invent a clock. Probably they're just jealous.)
And people who don't know any better eat it up. They think it's the truth. They believe Muslim extremism is somehow different from other kinds of extremism. That radicalism is pervasive in Muslim communities. That American Muslims are terrorists. That our cemeteries are secret jihadist training grounds. (Really, we couldn't think of a better cover story for jihad camp than "Muslim burial ground?") That all Muslims are either jihadist apologists or jihadist denialists. That the dangerous nature of Muslims requires persistent surveillance.
As Daily Beast columnist and CNN contributor Dean Obeidallah has shown, Irving has proved especially receptive to these arguments, and its mayor has partaken in the demonization of Islam. People like her are part of the Islamophobia problem and why a 14-year-old kid got arrested for doing the most American of things: Tinkering. Inventing. Creating. For heaven's sake, he's got a NASA T-shirt on. He's looking to the future, the place we used to think we owned. And do you know why we feel like we don't? It's not because of people like me, or kids like Ahmed. We believe in America. It's the racists and bigots that don't.
When I was 14, I loved "Star Trek: The Next Generation." I watched each episode religiously. I had and still have a man crush on Capt. Jean-Luc Picard. I wanted to marry Counselor Troi in a Sharia-compliant ceremony. I screamed out in agony at the third season finale. I believed I'd become a theoretical physicist. But I didn't.
Fast forward to today, and instead of being able to focus on what I want, studying what I want, contributing what I feel most able to, I have to talk about my identity 24/7, because who else is going to respond to the racists, the bigots, the misinformants? Who's going to read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's next book, or Sam Harris' subsequent screed and tell you, once again, that despite all their advantages, they still know next to nothing about Islam, about Muslims, about America's Muslims?
So yes, I and countless other Muslims will keep fighting the good fight, joining hands with people of conscience and conviction to oppose injustices, inequalities and racism of all kinds. Why? So that the real next generation -- Ahmed's generation -- can follow their dreams. Not suffer for some people's nightmares. Source
By fonewear 2015-09-17 06:52:50
First a clock to practice then he is going to work on a bomb for his bomb making classes !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-09-17 07:10:58
-We need to learn more about the one teacher who knew about this clock before this whole mess happened. That's pretty much the one thing every agrees about.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-09-17 07:26:37
Definitely profiling and definitely wrong. Even if it were not profiling this paranoia is getting fking out of hand when even little kids are being treated like this.
While I agree it's out of hand, the fact it's a little kid, is irrelevant, or did you not know about child suicide bombers.
By Jetackuu 2015-09-17 07:55:42
Quick search brought up this image of the device that's supposedly from the police press conference:
I can see it being mistaken for a bomb given that I have no idea what a bomb would actually look like.
Can take one look at it and realize it's not a bomb.
The school and police should be sued for the highest amount possible. This kid who could easily get a scholarship will have his education paid for.
By Jetackuu 2015-09-17 08:07:56
The clock itself is literally a gutted digital clock like you can buy in any Wal-Mart for about $5. I don't want to sound like I'm knocking the kid for taking apart something that already worked and installing it in something slightly different, but this is not a particularly incredible feat of engineering.
Yet it literally isn't. You are sounding like that.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-17 08:39:55
Do they teach petty partisanship at the elementary level in Texas or something? No, I learned it from you, unfortunately...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-09-17 09:48:51
The school and police should be sued for the highest amount possible. This kid who could easily get a scholarship will have his education paid for. I hope that is more feels than practicality.
For one it sends the wrong message to society, become a victim and get a free ride.
Secondly, suing the school and police would just foot the bill to the tax payers, which includes the kid's family.
Yeah it was a whole chain of stupidity that caused this incident, as someone stated, where the engineering teacher who had him hide it rather than hold on to it bears most of the blame. Also the police for continuing to pursue it as a hoax bomb despite the repeated story.
Haven't enough people suffered enough from this without having to burden the community by having to pay for a lawsuit against all the public services involved?
It's not like it's some marvelous invention either, it's just a clock. Hardly worth getting a free ride through college for, never mind that it only reinforces a victim complex in order to succeed in life.
By Ramyrez 2015-09-17 09:51:11
For once the system wasn't shitty, the people in it were.
Let's go ahead and leave it there for once. Hopefully the kid and his family are inspired enough by the support they're receiving and the kid fares well enough despite the notoriety this event is going to wrongly dump on him.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-17 09:51:13
The school and police should be sued for the highest amount possible. This kid who could easily get a scholarship will have his education paid for. I hope that is more feels than practicality.
For one it sends the wrong message to society, become a victim and get a free ride.
Secondly, suing the school and police would just foot the bill to the tax payers, which includes the kid's family.
Yeah it was a whole chain of stupidity that caused this incident, as someone stated, where the engineering teacher who had him hide it rather than hold on to it bears most of the blame. Also the police for continuing to pursue it as a hoax bomb despite the repeated story.
Haven't enough people suffered enough from this without having to burden the community by having to pay for a lawsuit against all the public services involved?
It wasn't like it was some marvelous invention either, it's just a clock. Hardly worth getting a free ride through college for, never mind that it only reinforces a victim complex in order to succeed in life. Question remains, would the rage be prevalent as it is if it really was a bomb?
Would people be after the police if it really turned out to be a bomb? How about the teacher and school system? It all comes down to them doing their job....
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By Aeyela 2015-09-17 09:51:14
I hope that is more feels than practicality.
For one it sends the wrong message to society, become a victim and get a free ride.
Secondly, suing the school and police would just foot the bill to the tax payers, which includes the kid's family.
Yeah it was a whole chain of stupidity that caused this incident, as someone stated, where the engineering teacher who had him hide it rather than hold on to it bears most of the blame. Also the police for continuing to pursue it as a hoax bomb despite the repeated story.
Haven't enough people suffered enough from this without having to burden the community by having to pay for a lawsuit against all the public services involved?
It wasn't like it was some marvelous invention either, it's just a clock. Hardly worth getting a free ride through college for, never mind that it only reinforces a victim complex in order to succeed in life.
Agree 100% but that is how society is nowadays. Be a victim, seek restitution. Nevermind common sense or common decency. Where there's blame, there's a claim!
By Jetackuu 2015-09-17 09:53:08
The school and police should be sued for the highest amount possible. This kid who could easily get a scholarship will have his education paid for. I hope that is more feels than practicality.
For one it sends the wrong message to society, become a victim and get a free ride.
Secondly, suing the school and police would just foot the bill to the tax payers, which includes the kid's family.
Yeah it was a whole chain of stupidity that caused this incident, as someone stated, where the engineering teacher who had him hide it rather than hold on to it bears most of the blame. Also the police for continuing to pursue it as a hoax bomb despite the repeated story.
Haven't enough people suffered enough from this without having to burden the community by having to pay for a lawsuit against all the public services involved?
It wasn't like it was some marvelous invention either, it's just a clock. Hardly worth getting a free ride through college for, never mind that it only reinforces a victim complex in order to succeed in life.
Hence why administrators and police who *** up need to be held accountable instead of just passing it on to the taxpayers. He's still due a substantial payment for this *** up.
As for the question: no, as apparently the community is also rather *** up, from the things I've read.
Just disagree all around, but I understand your viewpoint.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-09-17 09:53:16
Question remains, would the rage be prevalent as it is if it really was a bomb?
Would people be after the police if it really turned out to be a bomb? How about the teacher and school system? It all comes down to them doing their job.... Another good point. People would have freaked out if it was a bomb and the police didn't catch it.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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By Jetackuu 2015-09-17 09:54:23
Nevermind common sense or common decency. There's nothing decent about arresting a child for being a brown muslim with a clock.
By Jetackuu 2015-09-17 09:54:46
Question remains, would the rage be prevalent as it is if it really was a bomb?
Would people be after the police if it really turned out to be a bomb? How about the teacher and school system? It all comes down to them doing their job.... Another good point. People would have freaked out if it was a bomb and the police didn't catch it.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It's not that difficult to determine if it's a bomb or not.
By Aeyela 2015-09-17 09:54:48
Question remains, would the rage be prevalent as it is if it really was a bomb?
Would people be after the police if it really turned out to be a bomb? How about the teacher and school system? It all comes down to them doing their job....
That's a pretty rubbish argument. With that logic, let's stop every muslim everywhere carrying anything that could conceal a bomb, because what if? And when it turns out that the so called perpetrator was not carrying a bomb, they (the Police) are only doing their job, right? This is exactly the kind of attitude that leads to things like this happening in the first place.
Nevermind common sense or common decency. There's nothing decent about arresting a child for being a brown muslim with a clock.
Can you not quote one sentence of my post completely out of context just to start an argument? Thanks.
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By Ramyrez 2015-09-17 09:54:58
The kid's going to have it tougher now thanks to the attention this is bringing upon him. If they pursue legal action I hope the money they get is worth the hardship and attention it's going to bring them.
Look at Kim Davis. Admittedly a public figure, but a small-time yokel who is now in the national spotlight being used as bait/a pawn in political grandstanding. This kid is already getting that from the highest office in the land, right or wrong.
If I were them I'd push for proper discipline for the parties involved and try to move on as quietly as possible.
But I'm a low-key type of individual IRL.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-09-17 09:55:05
Kid will get revenge by making a real bomb that looks like the clock that looks like a bomb so no one will suspect anything.
By Jetackuu 2015-09-17 09:56:54
Can you not quote one sentence of my post completely out of context just to start an argument? Thanks.
It's not out of context, nor was I "starting an argument." Thanks.
By Aeyela 2015-09-17 09:58:23
Can you not quote one sentence of my post completely out of context just to start an argument? Thanks.
It's not out of context, nor was I "starting an argument." Thanks.
Of course it was and that's exactly what you were doing.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-09-17 09:58:23
The school and police should be sued for the highest amount possible. This kid who could easily get a scholarship will have his education paid for. I hope that is more feels than practicality.
For one it sends the wrong message to society, become a victim and get a free ride.
Secondly, suing the school and police would just foot the bill to the tax payers, which includes the kid's family.
Yeah it was a whole chain of stupidity that caused this incident, as someone stated, where the engineering teacher who had him hide it rather than hold on to it bears most of the blame. Also the police for continuing to pursue it as a hoax bomb despite the repeated story.
Haven't enough people suffered enough from this without having to burden the community by having to pay for a lawsuit against all the public services involved?
It wasn't like it was some marvelous invention either, it's just a clock. Hardly worth getting a free ride through college for, never mind that it only reinforces a victim complex in order to succeed in life.
Hence why administrators and police who *** up need to be held accountable instead of just passing it on to the taxpayers. He's still due a substantial payment for this *** up.
As for the question: no, as apparently the community is also rather *** up, from the things I've read.
Just disagree all around, but I understand your viewpoint. About the only thing we agree on here is that someone does need to be held accountable and some kind of action taken on that individual. (The teacher, but I wouldn't immediately call for his firing as I stated a few pages ago)
I think being invited to the White House and all the stuff that follows the visit will turn out to be its own reward for him without burdening the community, no matter how messed up they may or may not be.
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By Jetackuu 2015-09-17 09:59:26
Can you not quote one sentence of my post completely out of context just to start an argument? Thanks.
It's not out of context, nor was I "starting an argument." Thanks.
Of course it was and that's exactly what you were doing. Going to have to agree to disagree then, because no.
By Aeyela 2015-09-17 10:00:00
Can you not quote one sentence of my post completely out of context just to start an argument? Thanks.
It's not out of context, nor was I "starting an argument." Thanks.
Of course it was and that's exactly what you were doing. Going to have to agree to disagree then, because no.
Your constructive input was much appreciated, thank you!
Quote: 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed arrested for bringing homemade clock to school
Police in Texas have arrested a 14-year-old boy for building a clock. Ahmed Mohamed, who lives in Irving and has a keen interest in robotics and engineering, put the device together on Sunday night. When he took it to school the next day, he was pulled out of class, interviewed by police officers, and taken in handcuffs to juvenile detention, after being told by teachers that his creation looked like a bomb.
Ahmed told The Dallas Morning News that he showed his clock — a simple device, created from a circuit board and a power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front — to his engineering teacher first, who advised him not to show any other staff members at MacArthur High School. He originally kept it in his bag during English class, but his teacher heard it beep during the lesson — when Ahmed showed her his home-made clock at the end of class, she took it away from him. In sixth period, the school principal came for Ahmed with a police officer in tow, arresting him and marching him out of school. The schoolboy says he was interrogated by five officers, who asked why he was trying to make a bomb, and was threatened with expulsion by his Principal unless he made a written statement.
Ahmed may still be charged with making a "hoax bomb"
Irving police might still charge Ahmed with making a "hoax bomb." Police spokesperson James McLellan said Ahmed "kept maintaining it was a clock" when he was brought in for interrogation, but that he offered "no broader explanation." When asked by The Dallas Morning News what broader explanation Ahmed could have given for a clock that was actually a clock, McLellan said the creation "could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car." A police report released on Tuesday cites three MacArthur High teachers as complainants against Ahmed for the "hoax bomb."
Ahmed's father says his son was mistreated because of prejudice against Muslims
Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, Ahmed's father, says his child suffered because of prejudice against Muslims. "Because his name is Mohamed and because of September 11th," Mohamed told The Dallas Morning News, "I think my son got mistreated." The Council on American-Islamic Relations is already investigating Ahmed's case, with Alia Salem, the director of the council's North Texas chapter, saying that it seemed "pretty egregious."
Ahmed said he was a member of his middle school's robotics club, and had tried to find a similar group in his high school. Now the 14-year-old — born in the same year that the terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon took place — says he'll no longer bring any of his inventions into school. A picture reportedly taken by Ahmed's sister shows him in handcuffs at the juvenile detention center, sporting a NASA T-shirt and an understandably confused expression. Ahmed was fingerprinted, before being allowed to return home, but is still serving a three-day suspension from school.
Many in the maker and tech community have already rallied around him. A hashtag — #IStandWithAhmed — rapidly rose to become one of Twitter's top trending topics, and support has come from a number of sources, including a JPL engineer who offered Ahmed the chance to see a Mars rover whenever he wants. Ahmed's father says his son "just wants to invent good things for mankind" — we can hope that the police reaction won't dissuade the talented young creator from making good on his dream.
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