14yo Arrested Bringing Homemade Clock To School |
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14yo arrested bringing homemade clock to school
Aeyela said: » So you keep saying, yet any reasonable person would not assume it's a bomb, What about in a school? Aeyela said: » Bottom line is that you and others have come to a conclusion already that he's guilty and you'll clutch at any nonsensical logic to prove it.
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: » Disassembling and reassembling is still giving him a lot of credit. He took the case off and put it in another case, seemingly not very securely either since parts were all dangling. Doesn't appear he disconnected ANY pieces in the process, as it all looks manufactured quality still in the pictures. It doesn't matter that it's a clock, if it was made to look like(and successfully so, apparently) a bomb. People have been rightfully detained for less, bomb hoaxes aren't a laughing matter. He was asked numerous times by police how it worked and he wouldn't elaborate. I would seriously question if he "made" it at all. I suspect his activist father was stiring the pot. volkom said: » what constitutes to "looking like a bomb" ? Not a clock in a pencil case with no explosives, for one.
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Aeyela said: » Let's all shun the creative kid for pursuing an interest in how things work rather than just accepting they're there! Super reasonable of you! He took it to school because he thought he made something cool. He took it with the intention of showing his engineering teacher, which he did prior to all this blowing up (pun intended.) You're telling me that it's a bad thing for him to be interested in this? Or to take pride in his work? He's fourteen for ***'s sake. This is beyond pathetic and it's painful to think it's adults judging him so violently. Aeyela said: » Looked like a bomb according to who? You keep spouting this like it's some kind of argument but I'm sorry, if anyone thinks it was a bomb, they're an idiot. Pure and simple. Context has a lot to do with this. He's fourteen years old. He's at school. He's already known by his engineering teacher to have an interest in how things are made. How can you not see that the only reason anyone thinks this is a bomb is because they completely over reacted and the only reason you're so intent for this to be a bomb is because of your ridiculous prejudices. Remember, he wasn't accused of making a bomb, he was accused of making a hoax bomb, which is still illegal. I'm sure it's all fun and games for you, but hoax bombs are not. I don't think anyone has a gripe with the cops. Cause if they were called saying there was a bomb at the school obviously they'd have to treat it seriously.
I can even forgive the english teacher, she didn't know better, whatever. The only dumbass here seems to be the engineering teacher for not telling everyone there was nothing to worry about before they called the cops lol.
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Ragnarok.Kongming said: » If you found it laying unattended in an airport bathroom, would you have gone fiddling with it? "Oh, surely this is something other than what it seems. I'll get to the bottom of this!" What about in a school? The classic 'what if' argument that compounds someone's lack of logic. Well played! Name one wire that was in a random place that served no purpose.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Jassik said: » Honestly, I consider the whole thing a done deal unless there's some revelation. I just understand why someone completely innocent would assume that people will be suspicious. And I absolutely can't stand the people who are secretly hoping the kid's family are fundamentalists or something. Shouldn't the default be to hope there ISN'T foul play? Why do you HOPE the cops were abusing their power? I don't. People make mistakes, especially out of ignorance. In my ideal world, it would be an excuse for the public to have a conversation about our fears and for the schools and police to make a push for more inclusive training and policy adjustments. Use the incident as a platform to better ourselves, not an opportunity to score political points or confirm our biases.
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Jetackuu said: » Not even going to go into the amount of backwards logic that this post took, welcome to being the first person on the list.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » The only thing creative about that clock is how it looks like a hoax bomb. Or are you saying that having wires sticking out at random places that serves no purpose "creative engineering"? You keep fixating on how unoriginal this clock was and I'm not really sure why. It's bordering obsession. Jealousy that he got invited to the White House for a tacky piece of crap perhaps? I se no other reason for this to bother you so much. Anyway, you could argue that all education every youngster goes through is not original because everybody else has already done it. It's called learning. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Hoax bomb, there is a difference. Remember, he wasn't accused of making a bomb, he was accused of making a hoax bomb, which is still illegal. I'm sure it's all fun and games for you, but hoax bombs are not. No, he was accused of making a bomb. He was initially arrested because his thick English teacher thought it was a bomb. It turned out to not be a bomb, so they claim "hoax bomb" to give their poor judgement vindication. There was no intent on the child's part to make a hoax bomb in the first place and I'm really done trying to get this through to you. I don't know what they did specifically, I only know they arrived on the scene and investigated it.
Asura.Kingnobody said: » How did you know there were no explosives? Do you have x-ray vision now? Look at the image, try to identify the parts you think constitute a bomb, then point out which part COULD be the explosive. Aeyela said: » You keep fixating on how unoriginal this clock was Asura.Floppyseconds said: » Actually at this particular moment I was stating more of an assertion than my opinion. It's my opinion that a lot of people involved were idiots. It's my assertion that arresting somebody when they hadn't committed a crime is fundamentally wrong.
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Aeyela said: » Ragnarok.Kongming said: » If you found it laying unattended in an airport bathroom, would you have gone fiddling with it? "Oh, surely this is something other than what it seems. I'll get to the bottom of this!" What about in a school? The classic 'what if' argument that compounds someone's lack of logic. Well played! Jetackuu said: » They arrested him and took him to a juvenile center and didn't press charges. That's a very good example of handling the situation very poorly. I commend them for at least having the humility to admit it wasn't a crime and not charge him. So often, even when they know they made a mistake, they still drag innocent people into court where zealous prosecutors do everything in their power to get a win, even if it's completely unjust.
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Ragnarok.Kongming said: » You can't say the same device either does or does not carry the quality of "what someone would assume to be a bomb" based on whether or not an underprivileged brown boy as carrying it without being anything other than another hypocritical liberal asshat. I'm saying that "What if something or something" is a completely irrelevant and ignorant argument for you to make. Call me a liberal asshat all you like, you're only vindicating my point. Aeyela said: » Ragnarok.Kongming said: » You can't say the same device either does or does not carry the quality of "what someone would assume to be a bomb" based on whether or not an underprivileged brown boy as carrying it without being anything other than another hypocritical liberal asshat. I'm saying that "What if something or something" is a completely irrelevant and ignorant argument for you to make. Call me a liberal asshat all you like, you're only vindicating my point. Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » How did you know there were no explosives? Do you have x-ray vision now? Look at the image, try to identify the parts you think constitute a bomb, then point out which part COULD be the explosive. I'm pretty sure most of the people in this thread can't tell the difference between a 7 segment display and a LCD display, much less decipher something that could spark an incendiary device. But hey.
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Jassik said: » Jetackuu said: » They arrested him and took him to a juvenile center and didn't press charges. That's a very good example of handling the situation very poorly. I commend them for at least having the humility to admit it wasn't a crime and not charge him. So often, even when they know they made a mistake, they still drag innocent people into court where zealous prosecutors do everything in their power to get a win, even if it's completely unjust. I concur, that's rare anymore. Ragnarok.Kongming said: » You're saying that no one would assume the device to be a bomb. That is an argument that you have made. I can counter this argument by demonstrating that even you yourself think that this is ultimately wrong. Your retort? That my point is for whatever reason irrelevant. Bravo. You're only vindicating my point. Because your figurative example is irrelevant. You literally just pulled it our of your ***. In that context I would be far more inclined to presume it could be suspicious than in a school where children make and break things to learn in the first place. Which part of this simple reasoning is tripping you up, dear? |
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