Trump Talk™

Society has always been about the needs of the many outweighing the desires of the few.

Being a tyrannical monster, or a conservative boogeyman (aka a female democratic presidential contender) doesn't change the truth in those words.

Oddly enough, that *used* to be the conservative stance - And one I think they should really embrace once more if they plan to win an election - and they can still keep a conservative spin on it.

The problem is that catering to the "needs of the many" is not very cut and dry, which is why you have so much legislation that attempts to do that but only ends up making things worse. Of course, this always ends up being an opportune moment to slander anyone who opposes such legislation, because clearly they don't care about the common man.

If you aren't voting or simply voting party line, are you surprised if quality drops off?

Yelling about broken government is well and good but what have you done to fix government?

Are you holding politicians accountable when they dodge/lie/obscure facts during their terms?

Why are so many local politicians elected to 30+ years of service by constituents?

I mean we can give up on government or accept the reality that eventually the democracy will be in name only, stocked by yes men working for ABC incorporated but it's one thing to say you *love* democracy but it's another thing to actually *participate*.

Actually, it can't be used to justify any action - it's been challenged before the courts several times to prove it doesn't work that way, otherwise the initial incarnation of the ACA would have gone through unchecked.

Right, forgot the forum I was posting on obvs. If it's in dark clothes and in the shadows it can only be a ninja right?


That post was half in jest Lordgrim, though I do lack much respect for anyone that can only regurgitate rhetoric the ingested elsewhere and help draw party lines. Both parties don't completely, and often not even mostly, hold the public interest as their highest priority and I think it a waste of time to bicker about party politics and shout rhetoric full of logical fallacies (one of their favorites being slippery slope) that aren't trying to address or fix issues so much as preserve ideas at any cost that were never great to begin with. Ideas are sort of like people (at least a lot more than a corporation hah), they will do anything they can to survive and are actually quite disgusting when you see how they work, ingesting things, using them, and what you're left with after the work is done is a steaming pile of poo. Maybe there's unicorn ideas out there that ***rainbows but I haven't seen one yet.

People need to talk about how to solve problems in a realistic way based on research and facts. Politics is posturing and ego stroking, and turned more into whose sports team are you faithful to than any sort of real effort to fix things most the time. It's so bad I wonder why I vote, b/c it's not like it does much good. Politicians say one thing do another, and money speaks louder than the voters unless they are VERY VERY loud. Which there's very few things enough people agree on to shout that loudly. In any case, I don't think there's any conspiracy, but I do think both parties have a lot of the same problems, and that engaging in arguing over which pile of poo is better is a giant waste of time and effort. I think questions like "do you think big or small government are better?" Totally ignore relevant questions like "Why are there so many poor people in a nation with the largest economy on earth and why is that gap growing instead of shrinking?" I find myself agreeing with the Pope of all people more than most lately and I'm not even religious!

Most the people that talk about issues I have found not pointing fingers here but they just want to feel like they have a developed opinion even if that opinion is basically copy and pasted off of party rhetoric, with very little examination.

I guess I'll just do what I usually do and thank Jeebus there's still some people on earth who make sense, science is the greatest institution of man, and government only gave that place to rise. Science should have a lot more say in politics, but fact checking is a relatively "new" thing and not nearly prevalent enough.

No they're not, they're a result of people not thinking enough for themselves and not wanting to sacrifice large parts of their time to maybe not do something about it. Why don't you and rose and everyone else here start their own movements? Right that takes sacrifice, time,and maybe a life spent on something you didn't care enough to dedicate your life too and there is no guarantee of success in fact very little of it. Whatever else I say of politicians at least they can dedicate their life to something. Even if I'm not sold it's b/c they believe in it.

If anything, total Congressional reform is more likely to take place as the first action, but that doesn't require a full disband of Congress, because the Senate would soon follow - no point in having a Senate or Congress, much less a House of Representatives.

So please, do go on about how I don't understand how this works,

***, I was corrected by Lordgrim.

You've won this round!

Edit: It wasn't the 3 branches, but I did have Congress, The Senate, and the House backwards.

I blame the heat and only 3 hours of sleep.

The problem is that catering to the "needs of the many" is not very cut and dry, which is why you have so much legislation that attempts to do that but only ends up making things worse. Of course, this always ends up being an opportune moment to slander anyone who opposes such legislation, because clearly they don't care about the common man.

I thought Sparth was known for being something quite different, usually just someone who makes remarks that never further conversation for the sake of a laugh. I am not pretentious, just right. Sorry it offends you or whatever. I stopped partaking in the political forum because the way the discussion is even approached will never accomplish anything. When I came in saying both sides are wrong I didn't expect zero flack, but your reaction definitely takes the cake for as you put it "full of absolute ***and passive-aggressive personal attacks". But I'm glad you have the self perspective to realize that's what you just did, except, oh wait, you didn't. So have fun feeding your egos and feeling like important informed adults, while attacking anyone that says you should maybe actually do something about the things int he world other than complain and shout at each other with regurgitated rhetoric. You can have your last words or whatever, won't bother me a penny. Have a good one :)

Political dynasties are part a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The "people" have a low impression of those in power and so we actively discourage kids from getting involved in politics which deprives government from people with the capability/skills to effectively hold posts. Political families simply occupy the vacant seats by means of demand.

(The money, connections and experience do help however.)

Unlimited term limits and voter apathy only play to this problem.

If you aren't voting or simply voting party line, are you surprised if quality drops off?
Yelling about broken government is well and good but what have you done to fix government?
Are you holding politicians accountable when they dodge/lie/obscure facts during their terms?
Why are so many local politicians elected to 30+ years of service by constituents?

I mean we can give up on government or accept the reality that eventually the democracy will be in name only, stocked by yes men working for ABC incorporated but it's one thing to say you *love* democracy but it's another thing to actually *participate*.

Don't forget America is NOT a democracy. It's a republic.

Phoenix speech.
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