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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Someone is going to be devastated in November no matter who wins.
A vote for Trump is vote for fun!
A vote for Trump is vote for fun!
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Bloodrose said: »
I'd rather vote for Nikolce for two reasons.
1. He's an evil, behind the scenes kind of evil, crotchety geezer who's long since lost his mind.
2. He's not Hillary or trump.
1. He's an evil, behind the scenes kind of evil, crotchety geezer who's long since lost his mind.
2. He's not Hillary or trump.
I'm glad you aren't voting cause those are terrible reasons.
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We've come a long way from "Mexico isn't sending us their finest."
And how do our loyal Trumpettes feel about this latest flip flop?
Trump now says he plans to legalize some undocumented immigrants
Sources tell Univision that Trump plans to announce a major shift on immigration policy next week. The Republican candidate met Saturday with Hispanic leaders who said he told them he regrets prior comments about Mexicans.
And how do our loyal Trumpettes feel about this latest flip flop?
Trump now says he plans to legalize some undocumented immigrants
Sources tell Univision that Trump plans to announce a major shift on immigration policy next week. The Republican candidate met Saturday with Hispanic leaders who said he told them he regrets prior comments about Mexicans.
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Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump plans to present an immigration plan in Colorado Thursday that will include finding a way to legalize millions of undocumented immigrants, according to three people who attended a meeting between the candidate and Hispanic leaders on Saturday at Trump Tower in New York.
"I really liked that Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane,” said Jacob Monty, a Texas immigration lawyer who attended the meeting.
If true, Trump's plan would stand in sharp contrast to his previous statements about immigrants during the campaign. During the primaries, the New York property tycoon promised to build a wall along the border with Mexico and to deport all undocumented immigrants.
The possible reversal over immigration policy by the Republican candidate would not be without precedent after Trump has shifted his position on a variety of issues during his campaign from banning Muslims to taxes, minimum wages and and abortion.
Polls show Trump has alienated many minority voters and Republican party strategists have urged him to tone down his rhetoric about immigrants, especially Hispanics who make up a growing share of registered voters - about 10% in November.
Republican National Committee spokesperson Helen Aguirre was also present at the meeting and confirmed that the candidate is working on unveiling a plan. "Trump was very categorical in saying that he's seeking a fair immigration reform," Aguirre said. "He wants to listen to everyone and announce his conclusions in the coming days."
Trump told the group of conservative Hispanic leaders he would announce a plan to grant legal status "that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation." said Monty.
The campaign has so far not provided details of the plan, and Trump spokesman Steven Cheung, said in a statement that Trump's posiiton remains unchanged on immigration.
"Mr Trump said nothing today that he hasn't said many times before ... enforce our immigration laws, uphold the Constitution and be fair and humane while putting American workers first,” Cheung said.
When he launched his presidential campaign in June last year, Trump linked immigration and crime. "When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people," he said at the time.
According to one of the meeting's attendees, Trump said Saturday that he regretted having made those comments, though it was not clear if he had issued an apology.
In a statement on Saturday responding to Trump's meeting with Hispanics, Hillary Clinton’s campaign political director, Amanda Rentería, recalled the billionaire's prior disparaging comments. "If true, this is a cynical attempt from Donald Trump to distract from his dangerous policies that he doubled down on just this week in a new ad. Donald Trump will be Donald Trump and what's clear is that he's dangerous for the Latino community," she said.
The meeting lasted an hour and a half and among those also present were his two top campaign staff, Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway, who joined Trump this week following a shake-up of his team.
The Republican National Committee (RNC) chairman Reince Priebus described three meeting as part of "our expansive effort to engage the Hispanic community."
Present were members of a National Hispanic Advisory Council For Trump, a group that includes state representatives, evangelical pastors and executives such as Javier Polit, chief information officer at the Coca-Cola Company.
According to sources who were present at the meeting, Trump spoke in a conciliatory tone. He began by welcoming everyone, then asked attendees what they thought he should do for the Hispanic community. He took notes during the whole meeting.
The Republican candidate said that his main priority was how to handle the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are now in the country, the sources said.
“Trump is aware that he cannot deport 11 million people,” says Lola Zinke, wife of Ryan Zinke, a Republican congressman from Montana, who is a former Navy Seal.
Zinke, the daughter of a Peruvian, is a San Diego lawyer familiar with illegal immigration issues, who says she believes deportation is not the solution. “It doesn’t make sense to force undocumented [immigrants] to go back to their countries to regularize their situation. Trump himself mentioned a possible solution: let them do it at the embassies or consulates of their countries,” she said.
Other people present at the meeting backed that idea, explaining that the candidate said he did not like the idea of forcing undocumented immigrants to go back to their countries to regularize their immigration status, and that it would make sense to allow them to do so without leaving the United States.
“No one wants criminals or rapists here,” Zinke said. “But it’s impossible to deport 11 million people. Trump realizes the contributions the Hispanic community has made to our military. He understands Hispanic values and the contributions of our community,” she added.
Official details of the Trump plan remain unknown. But those who were present at the meeting said it would include some form of legalizing the status of some undocumented immigrants.
“Being eligible will require that people haven’t committed serious crimes or aren’t recently arrived,” Monty said.
The plan would need the support of Congress, but Monty said he had faith in Trump as “someone who has made deals.”
He added: “Trump is capable of sitting down with his party to negotiate and his opponent isn’t. Congress is controlled by Republicans. How will Hillary Clinton move forward with reform?”
Upon exiting the meeting, evangelical pastor Mario Bramnick said he had spoken with Trump about immigration on three occasions and that he always believed that Trump wanted to come up with a detailed plan to address undocumented immigrants in a humane way.
“He’s always understood the problems of the 11 million people that are here and are good people,” Bramnick said. “The first thing is to establish the safety of this country and make it clear that criminals cannot stay. But there are good people and we have to propose reform to discuss what to do with these people,” he said.
Several Hispanic leaders told Trump that Hispanics weren't happy about his more aggressive comments. "He told us that what he'd said was one thing and what he'd meant to say was another," said Jovita Carranza, a Hispanic businesswoman and deputy administrator for the U.S. Small Business Administration under President George W. Bush.
"What he meant to say is that there's a lot of crime involved in these difficult situations that Hispanics go through on the border,” said Carranza, who attended Saturday’s meeting in New York.
“They pay money to cross [the border] and along the way women are raped and they let others die in trucks. Trump said he was referring to that type of crime and to people who are criminals who shouldn't be part of our society," she added.
Carranza said Trump knows the Hispanic community because many of his employees are of Mexican origin, and that he values their contribution to the economy and how much they care about education.
"I really liked that Trump acknowledged that there is a big problem with the 11 million [undocumented] people who are here, and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane,” said Jacob Monty, a Texas immigration lawyer who attended the meeting.
If true, Trump's plan would stand in sharp contrast to his previous statements about immigrants during the campaign. During the primaries, the New York property tycoon promised to build a wall along the border with Mexico and to deport all undocumented immigrants.
The possible reversal over immigration policy by the Republican candidate would not be without precedent after Trump has shifted his position on a variety of issues during his campaign from banning Muslims to taxes, minimum wages and and abortion.
Polls show Trump has alienated many minority voters and Republican party strategists have urged him to tone down his rhetoric about immigrants, especially Hispanics who make up a growing share of registered voters - about 10% in November.
Republican National Committee spokesperson Helen Aguirre was also present at the meeting and confirmed that the candidate is working on unveiling a plan. "Trump was very categorical in saying that he's seeking a fair immigration reform," Aguirre said. "He wants to listen to everyone and announce his conclusions in the coming days."
Trump told the group of conservative Hispanic leaders he would announce a plan to grant legal status "that wouldn't be citizenship but would allow them to be here without fear of deportation." said Monty.
The campaign has so far not provided details of the plan, and Trump spokesman Steven Cheung, said in a statement that Trump's posiiton remains unchanged on immigration.
"Mr Trump said nothing today that he hasn't said many times before ... enforce our immigration laws, uphold the Constitution and be fair and humane while putting American workers first,” Cheung said.
When he launched his presidential campaign in June last year, Trump linked immigration and crime. "When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people," he said at the time.
According to one of the meeting's attendees, Trump said Saturday that he regretted having made those comments, though it was not clear if he had issued an apology.
In a statement on Saturday responding to Trump's meeting with Hispanics, Hillary Clinton’s campaign political director, Amanda Rentería, recalled the billionaire's prior disparaging comments. "If true, this is a cynical attempt from Donald Trump to distract from his dangerous policies that he doubled down on just this week in a new ad. Donald Trump will be Donald Trump and what's clear is that he's dangerous for the Latino community," she said.
The meeting lasted an hour and a half and among those also present were his two top campaign staff, Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway, who joined Trump this week following a shake-up of his team.
The Republican National Committee (RNC) chairman Reince Priebus described three meeting as part of "our expansive effort to engage the Hispanic community."
Present were members of a National Hispanic Advisory Council For Trump, a group that includes state representatives, evangelical pastors and executives such as Javier Polit, chief information officer at the Coca-Cola Company.
According to sources who were present at the meeting, Trump spoke in a conciliatory tone. He began by welcoming everyone, then asked attendees what they thought he should do for the Hispanic community. He took notes during the whole meeting.
The Republican candidate said that his main priority was how to handle the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are now in the country, the sources said.
“Trump is aware that he cannot deport 11 million people,” says Lola Zinke, wife of Ryan Zinke, a Republican congressman from Montana, who is a former Navy Seal.
Zinke, the daughter of a Peruvian, is a San Diego lawyer familiar with illegal immigration issues, who says she believes deportation is not the solution. “It doesn’t make sense to force undocumented [immigrants] to go back to their countries to regularize their situation. Trump himself mentioned a possible solution: let them do it at the embassies or consulates of their countries,” she said.
Other people present at the meeting backed that idea, explaining that the candidate said he did not like the idea of forcing undocumented immigrants to go back to their countries to regularize their immigration status, and that it would make sense to allow them to do so without leaving the United States.
“No one wants criminals or rapists here,” Zinke said. “But it’s impossible to deport 11 million people. Trump realizes the contributions the Hispanic community has made to our military. He understands Hispanic values and the contributions of our community,” she added.
Official details of the Trump plan remain unknown. But those who were present at the meeting said it would include some form of legalizing the status of some undocumented immigrants.
“Being eligible will require that people haven’t committed serious crimes or aren’t recently arrived,” Monty said.
The plan would need the support of Congress, but Monty said he had faith in Trump as “someone who has made deals.”
He added: “Trump is capable of sitting down with his party to negotiate and his opponent isn’t. Congress is controlled by Republicans. How will Hillary Clinton move forward with reform?”
Upon exiting the meeting, evangelical pastor Mario Bramnick said he had spoken with Trump about immigration on three occasions and that he always believed that Trump wanted to come up with a detailed plan to address undocumented immigrants in a humane way.
“He’s always understood the problems of the 11 million people that are here and are good people,” Bramnick said. “The first thing is to establish the safety of this country and make it clear that criminals cannot stay. But there are good people and we have to propose reform to discuss what to do with these people,” he said.
Several Hispanic leaders told Trump that Hispanics weren't happy about his more aggressive comments. "He told us that what he'd said was one thing and what he'd meant to say was another," said Jovita Carranza, a Hispanic businesswoman and deputy administrator for the U.S. Small Business Administration under President George W. Bush.
"What he meant to say is that there's a lot of crime involved in these difficult situations that Hispanics go through on the border,” said Carranza, who attended Saturday’s meeting in New York.
“They pay money to cross [the border] and along the way women are raped and they let others die in trucks. Trump said he was referring to that type of crime and to people who are criminals who shouldn't be part of our society," she added.
Carranza said Trump knows the Hispanic community because many of his employees are of Mexican origin, and that he values their contribution to the economy and how much they care about education.
I know I shouldn't rise to the bait, but...
Read up on the history of the National Socialist party if you want to talk about it. Hitler and his cronies got into power and then completely changed its platform - they only wanted the party's infrastructure to help them win elections. Like, say, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.
Do you honestly just not know why Hitler was able to rile up the people? The Treaty of Versailles from WWI completely destroyed the German economy - the War Guilt clause was part of this, but it went even deeper than that. Clemenceau in particular had, as his stated goal, the complete dismantling of Germany. They were not self-sufficient; their economy was in total freefall, and the Jews made an excellent scapegoat, as they were both non-ethnic Germans, and still largely prosperous.
I realize there's a lot of fast and loose interpretations of the truth round these parts, but actual historical events are not up for "re-imagining". There have probably been more books written about WWII and its causes than any other topic in history - pick one up sometime.
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Just like the Nazi's in germany, these two political organizations formed in the mid 1800's
Read up on the history of the National Socialist party if you want to talk about it. Hitler and his cronies got into power and then completely changed its platform - they only wanted the party's infrastructure to help them win elections. Like, say, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
the nazi's turned a Nation that was self sufficient
Do you honestly just not know why Hitler was able to rile up the people? The Treaty of Versailles from WWI completely destroyed the German economy - the War Guilt clause was part of this, but it went even deeper than that. Clemenceau in particular had, as his stated goal, the complete dismantling of Germany. They were not self-sufficient; their economy was in total freefall, and the Jews made an excellent scapegoat, as they were both non-ethnic Germans, and still largely prosperous.
I realize there's a lot of fast and loose interpretations of the truth round these parts, but actual historical events are not up for "re-imagining". There have probably been more books written about WWII and its causes than any other topic in history - pick one up sometime.
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Drama Torama said: »
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I realize there's a lot of fast and loose interpretations of the truth round these parts, but actual historical events are not up for "re-imagining"....
I realize there's a lot of fast and loose interpretations of the truth round these parts, but actual historical events are not up for "re-imagining"....
We live in a world where everyone can have their own facts and their own history to back them up.
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Rooks Germany was self sufficient it was even a global power before WW1 it was Britain's 1st economic threat that outpaced that tiny island which is why they made sure to put all the financial burden of world War I on Germany. Which in fact was not the nation who started it.
It was Austria Hungary /Serbia that should of footed the bill but since there was a agenda let's put it all on Germany since there economy was crushing Britains.
When the Democrat and Republican parties came into power in the federal government and state levels they both changed the Original platform of this nation which was all about the Constitution with our founders. And have ever since done everything including murder to remain in control over the levers of power in the US.
SOUND FAMILIAR? just like the Nazis.
Greatly looking forward to seeing a different change of direction in Trumps presidency, and that's one 9f actually thinking about America first in every issue to fix these 50 states.
It was Austria Hungary /Serbia that should of footed the bill but since there was a agenda let's put it all on Germany since there economy was crushing Britains.
When the Democrat and Republican parties came into power in the federal government and state levels they both changed the Original platform of this nation which was all about the Constitution with our founders. And have ever since done everything including murder to remain in control over the levers of power in the US.
SOUND FAMILIAR? just like the Nazis.
Greatly looking forward to seeing a different change of direction in Trumps presidency, and that's one 9f actually thinking about America first in every issue to fix these 50 states.
Someone who doesn't know a damn thing about the US constitution, and has been schooled many times on it by a Canadian.
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Bloodrose said: »
Someone who doesn't know a damn thing about the US constitution, and has been schooled many times on it by a Canadian.
Coming from a Canadian I had to teach how government is labeled by 3 branches that wishes they had Trump as a leader.
Don't worry one day Canada may get a Trumpisk like leader. Then we can demonize everything about the the US'S back yard.
They ever find that UFO the Nazis captured?
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Anna Ruthven said: »
They ever find that UFO the Nazis captured?
Never heard about that.
I am looking forward to seeing Trumps policy put into action. Especially on restoring order back in our Immigration laws and enforcement . This will definitely be one of the many big job booming fields especially since this will be bigger than President Eisenhowers stance on immigration policy. I think he deported over a million during his service.
And if we have over 11 million undocumented or illegal ,Immigration service jobs will last a long time making law breakers honest for illegally coming here and deporting them.
Illegal immigration isn't really an easy issue to solve due to it splitting families apart. Not sure exactly how it would work deporting the parents of children born here in the US, some of which are on our police forces and in our military.
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Illegal immigration isn't really an easy issue to solve due to it splitting families apart. Not sure exactly how it would work deporting the parents of children born here in the US, some of which are on our police forces and in our military.
Sounds to me like they should have immigrated legally. You won't be getting any tears shed from me...or anyone else that could be competing for the jobs that they might hold. No way should I be responsible for someone that is here illegally. Maybe we should start worrying about our citizens first? There is an immigration process. Why do we even have it if we are just going to let anyone and everyone in with no knowledge of who they are or what they're doing?
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Eboneezer said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Illegal immigration isn't really an easy issue to solve due to it splitting families apart. Not sure exactly how it would work deporting the parents of children born here in the US, some of which are on our police forces and in our military.
Sounds to me like they should have immigrated legally. You won't be getting any tears shed from me...or anyone else that could be competing for the jobs that they might hold. No way should I be responsible for someone that is here illegally. Maybe we should start worrying about our citizens first? There is an immigration process. Why do we even have it if we are just going to let anyone and everyone in with no knowledge of who they are or what they're doing?
Well said and the only person i see that is putting American citizens first is Trump he was the only one who showed up to help lousiana citizens for the food.
Meanwhile current commander in chief plans for more race division dividing this country further and for his last remaining 100 days he wants to sell more military arms in the middle east for more warfare. To think that the UN gave him a Nobel Peace award.
Hillary is off having a seizure somewhere.
eslim said: »
also, more tax revenue from illegal immigrants.
You're not paying anyone elses taxes.
http://itep.org/itep_reports/2016/02/undocumented-immigrants-state-local-tax-contributions-1.php#.V7q1RaBlBnG
http://itep.org/itep_reports/2016/02/undocumented-immigrants-state-local-tax-contributions-1.php#.V7q1RaBlBnG
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Undocumented immigrants contribute significantly to state and local taxes, collectively paying an estimated $11.64 billion a year.(2) Contributions range from almost $2.2 million in Montana with an estimated undocumented population of 4,000 to more than $3.1 billion in California, home to more than 3 million undocumented immigrants.
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
You're not paying anyone elses taxes.
http://itep.org/itep_reports/2016/02/undocumented-immigrants-state-local-tax-contributions-1.php#.V7q1RaBlBnG
http://itep.org/itep_reports/2016/02/undocumented-immigrants-state-local-tax-contributions-1.php#.V7q1RaBlBnG
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Undocumented immigrants contribute significantly to state and local taxes, collectively paying an estimated $11.64 billion a year.(2) Contributions range from almost $2.2 million in Montana with an estimated undocumented population of 4,000 to more than $3.1 billion in California, home to more than 3 million undocumented immigrants.
Oh, that makes me feel much better. So they're contributing 11.64 billion in taxes, but costing local/state/federal government 113 billion a year. Not to mention the 50 million they send out of the country each year. But again, I'd like to know how much they pay in income taxes and why I have to pay income taxes. I try to see how much they pay in income taxes each year and the best results I get say, "50% are believed to pay income taxes," or "even if someone works under the table or for themselves (which is legal for undocumented immigrants) they still usually pay income taxes. Those who work under the table and manage to dodge income tax still pay governments in the form of sales and property tax." I've dabbled on ITEP's website but haven't found anything other than estimations based on the estimation of illegal immigrants in each state, the size of their families, and then some unknown calculation based on the income taxes paid by legal immigrants in low and moderate income brackets. It makes no sense to me. Why is it ok that they can receive government assistance, not pay all of the same taxes that the citizens pay, and bare such a burden on taxpayers?
It's an estimate because hard data doesn't exist. Not sure how that doesn't make sense and you can't complain about a number while providing nothing to back up the one you just threw out. Undocumented immigrants aren't eligible for government assistance, their income is taxed, they pay sales tax, and contribute to SS (and are ineligible for those benefits as well). The benefits/burdens of an illegal population are hard to pin down because collecting the proper data is probably not possible but they make a good scapegoat for just about any problem so there's that.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers is one of many places that use the same figure.
Can you tell me what percentage of illegal immigrants pay income tax and source it? Please don't just throw out numbers
Can you tell me what percentage of illegal immigrants pay income tax and source it? Please don't just throw out numbers
Even if you don't like the source I listed, I understand it includes the children of illegal immigrants that are under the age of 18, yet considered legal by law. The 2013 Heritage Foundation Special Report #133 has the burden at 54.5 billion a year.
I wasn't sure if you were you serious here or not
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Undocumented immigrants aren't eligible for government assistance...
I wasn't sure if you were you serious here or not
Anna Ruthven said: »
Illegal immigration isn't really an easy issue to solve due to it splitting families apart. Not sure exactly how it would work deporting the parents of children born here in the US, some of which are on our police forces and in our military.
Sure it is put them on a bus and send them back to Mexico.
Trump: The Democrats Are Scamming African Americans speech
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Undocumented immigrants aren't eligible for government assistance, their income is taxed, they pay sales tax, and contribute to SS (and are ineligible for those benefits as well).
In regards to them not receiving benefits:
http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households
Also Keep in mind they do not pay income Tax. People hire Illegals and pay them cash.
Your argument reminds me of that left-wing focused article that was on reddit the other day. It was clearly written with an agenda and doesn't begin to tackle any of the facts.
Regardless, immigration is mostly a morale argument at this point. They are breaking the law by being here and legal should be deported.
The problem is so huge though that deporting all of them will cost some serious money. Also after having been through our immigration process with my wife, our system in place for that sucks which makes the illegals a little more understandable.
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Looks like Lordgrim has dropped the "no to both parties" in favor of Trump and the GoP.
You should commemorate the conversion with a tattoo of Trump's face with "Make America Great Again" in some fancy text.
You should commemorate the conversion with a tattoo of Trump's face with "Make America Great Again" in some fancy text.
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
eliroo said: »
The problem is so huge though that deporting all of them will cost some serious money.
Mexico will also pay for that!
we'll just close Ramstein AFB while yelling "You're on your own now you bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys!" to all of western europe and relocate all those troops to the border and give them all lassos for the big round up...
easy peasy lemon squeezey
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