Max Dual Wield Question 

Max Dual Wield Question
I currently have 45 Dual Wield on my SOLO THF/DNC TP set, how much do I need to max out?
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Dw1: No haste magic: dw63 Haste samba: dw60 Haste1: dw57 Haste2: dw47 Caphaste: dw25 Dw2: No haste magic: dw58 Haste samba: dw54 Haste1: dw52 Haste2: dw41 Caphaste: dw20 Dw3: No haste magic: dw48 Haste samba: dw44 Haste1: dw42 Haste2: dw31 Caphaste: dw11 Dw4: No haste magic: dw43 Haste samba: dw39 Haste1: dw37 Haste2: dw26 Caphaste: dw5 Dw5: No haste magic: dw38 Haste samba: dw34 Haste1: dw32 Haste2: dw21 Caphaste: 0 Thank you. So this means if I can reach 48 on gear I will no longer have to Haste Samba?^^
I never did the math but i believe haste samba, most of time, is a loss due to duration and how much tp is consumed. But if you have it, its always better to reduce delay without relying on dw.
I was hoping that if I hit 48 in gear I could stop using haste samba and keep more tp for ws.
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Bit of a bump here, but what DW value would you need with Koru Moru and Ulmia out?
I'm thinking the values are not static since ulmia probably gets bare bones haste values for her songs.. and I don't know RDM at all, so not sure if there's job specific boosts to the haste. Really though, just curious what the max dw I'm going to need as a thf/dnc with KoruMoru's haste2 and Ulmia double march. Thanks in advance. I'm pretty sure that haste and haste 2 are static bumps, if that helps you out at all.
The formula for finding how much DW you need to cap attack speed is:
Total DW Needed = 1  (0.2 / (1  TotalHaste%))So, just gotta figure out how much Haste you're getting from Ulmia and KoruMoru. We know Haste II is a flat 30%. With Ulmia, it's a little more complicated since although she's using a harp, she doesn't have any March bonus. Advancing March: 6.3% (64/1024) Victory March: 9.4% (96/1024) This means with both of her Marches you're getting 15.7% haste, which with KoruMoru's Haste II puts you just over the magic haste cap (43.75%). Assuming then that you're wearing the max amount of haste for equipment (25%), which you almost certainly are in most armor choices, you're at a total of 68.75% haste. Now you can plug that into the formula: 0.36 = 1  (0.2 / (1  0.6875)) Thus, you need a total of 36 Dual Wield. THF's native DW trait gives +25 DW, so you only would need +11 from gear. Quetzalcoatl.Chanceikin
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Thanks so much guys, I appreciate the quick response.
I should have also included that if you or a party member uses Haste Samba (even as /DNC), your Total Haste goes up to a point where THF's native DW will put you over the cap.
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So please correct me if I'm wrong; with both Ulmia's marcehs, haste one, capped gear haste, I'd need 26 dual wield to cap attack speed on thf?
Sylph.Cossack said: » So please correct me if I'm wrong; with both Ulmia's marcehs, haste one, capped gear haste, I'd need 26 dual wield to cap attack speed on thf? Should be able ~11% DW needed if you're at 550+ JPs. Code (1  Dual Wield Trait %  Dual Wield Needed %) × (1  Magic Haste %  Gear Haste %) = 0.2  Ulmia marches combined are 26% haste,  Haste I is 15%,  Capped gear haste is 25%,  Dual Wield IV trait is 30%. Offline
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Shiva.Arislan said: » Should be able ~11% DW needed if you're at 550+ JPs. You mean 11% if he is not at 550+ With that gift THF base is 30%DW and 36% is needed to cap delay with capped magic haste. My math has total DW required at ~41%. Ulmia's marches are short of capping magic haste.
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Shiva.Arislan said: » My math has total DW required at ~41%. Ulmia's marches are short of capping magic haste. ***you are totally right. For some reason I assumed haste ii, because I always use king of hearts. I usually use Apururu, and Ulmia, so trying to figure out my gear selections. According to Jeanpaul Ulmia only grants 15ish with both marches, leading me to 30(magic)+ 25(gear)+ X(dual wield)= 80.
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Sylph.Cossack said: » I usually use Apururu, and Ulmia, so trying to figure out my gear selections. According to Jeanpaul Ulmia only grants 15ish with both marches, leading me to 30(magic)+ 25(gear)+ X(dual wield)= 80. Using the BG DW cheat sheet, X = 26 for master thf, right? Dont do according to anything. Check by yourself. Let her cast marches on you and cast some spell w high recast with /whm and without gear and you will know exact value of her marches by checking how much it reduced a recast. SimonSes said: » Sylph.Cossack said: » I usually use Apururu, and Ulmia, so trying to figure out my gear selections. According to Jeanpaul Ulmia only grants 15ish with both marches, leading me to 30(magic)+ 25(gear)+ X(dual wield)= 80. Using the BG DW cheat sheet, X = 26 for master thf, right? Dont do according to anything. I'm not saying you're correct or incorrect atm it just literally kills almost anything you post on here, even just 4 posts ago. Offline
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Sylph.Cossack said: » I usually use Apururu, and Ulmia, so trying to figure out my gear selections. According to Jeanpaul Ulmia only grants 15ish with both marches, leading me to 30(magic)+ 25(gear)+ X(dual wield)= 80. Using the BG DW cheat sheet, X = 26 for master thf, right? Let’s see (100X)*[1(30+25)/100]= 20. Solve for X and get 55.55 so rounded to 56. Master THF has 30 base so 5630 = 26. Without the 550 gift it’s 31. And yes this is all shown on the cheat sheet for the 30% hast scenario and is more than likely the sole reason that scenario exists. Also: just to be extra clear, Haste works as a bitwise shift, not a simple multiplier.
Meaning in order to get "true" haste amounts, you'll need that xx/1024 number for your hastes and marches and whatnot. The DW cheatsheet on BGwiki was calculated with these appropriate values because we take the time to do that nonsense for people. Just using 15/30/43%s for the haste part of the equation can lead to erroneous values. (as can having less than capped gear haste... which finding the xx/1024 for each piece of gear... ain't no body got time for. Hence why we gear ≥26% Haste.) DW however is a simple percentage multiplier... because of course it would be because that's how SE's arcane eldritch thinking works. Sylph.Cossack said: » According to Jeanpaul Ulmia only grants 15ish with both marches, leading me to 30(magic)+ 25(gear)+ X(dual wield)= 80. BGWiki has the following values listed for Ulmia: Quote: Advancing March grants 108/1024 Magical Haste. Victory March grants 155/1024 Magical Haste. 263/1024 = 25.7% 

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