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Not really, birth control pills are around 20 bucks for a month.
Cheaper than condoms if wanna have sex every other day! Hell, married couples can pool money and its even cheaper per person!
To argue that contraceptives are expensive and out of reach is insane and really shows how irresponsible people really are.

Keep tossing out those feels though. I'm sure you believe everything you say.

*** that for 20 bucks a month you could play FFXI (with extra characters) ! Hell with preventing a pregnancy.

If your wife/sex partner gets pregnant just leave her. Go on Maury and prove she is a filthy *** that sleeps around.

Ok so... the price is apparently inconsequential (this completely depends on what brand you would be using). Therefore, the cost associated with making them widely available for everyone* would be minimal especially when the cost of subsidizing unplanned children is taken into account. Is the practicality of this still not readily apparent?

*Yes, there are people outside of your insulated bubble of existence where 20$ isn't a trivial amount of money.

For a lot of people, it never will be. You're asking them to endorse an immoral lifestyle, and they feel (hey, lookie there) they can't do that.

That's the thing: my friend never had a problem that necessitated this. It's one of the benefits of growing up the child of a medical professional: you don't *** around for years with health problems.

On the other hand, most people will only go see a doctor at gunpoint, both because it's needlessly expensive and because it takes a lot of time. And go ahead and ask women how likely they think they are to be taken seriously when saying "My period hurts."

Why would I say that? Ever? Come on, Altima, you've been riding my *** for months, surely you're aware of my socialist habits.

I want everyone on Medicaid. I want everyone to have free education. I want everyone to be fed and warm. And I don't care if the people who are taken care of are not the sharks of Wall Street or inbred cattle rapists.



In the meantime, could you address my central question: why would I willingly spend more money to support unwanted babies when I can spend less money to prevent unwanted babies?

The top two questions I get asked by every co-worker I have is "Do you have kids?" and some variation on "Are you married?" I work in a blue collar, low income field, and every time they express shock that I don't have any kids despite being in my 30s (once it occurs to them that I'm not as young as I look, that is). Far too many of them tell me they have multiple kids by multiple women and somewhere in between mentioning that and talking about the one or two kids they like, they mention how much of their paycheck goes to child support. For a lot of people, people living in poverty, conceiving a child is basically inevitable.

And what happens when you conceive a child when you're already living on the lower rungs of the payscale? You apply for *** welfare. If you don't want people to be latched and suckling at Uncle Sam's teat, if you want to boot them out into the cold reality of being self-sufficient, the easiest and most cost-effective way is to teach people about contraception AND to make it ubiquitous.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

My issue with government funded birth control is that it's inherently sexist. There still are no birth control options for men and it is far more effective to control at the male end then at the female end. If the liberals really cared they would be donating millions of USD to Parsemus Foundation to finance Vasalgel.

https://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

This is an extremely easy thing to do and far more effective then pills or condoms at preventing pregnancies. Due to all the work already done in India we have a very strong indicator that it's effective and cheap, so cheap that major pharmaceutical companies don't find it financially viable to pursue.

But no, instead the liberals will demand the government give even more money exclusively to women.

Their policies have absolutely nothing to do with helping anyone and everything to do with social control.

Define "far more effective." The big reason we don't have a male pill yet, in spite of having developed many of them over the past several decades, is because screwing with male hormones is actually a lot more dangerous than screwing with female hormones.

And I've pointed out that contraceptive pills do a lot more for women than just prevent ovulation.

Anyhow, I'm glad you pointed out Vasalgel. I'm confused why you expect anyone to spend "millions" on a product that costs less than the syringe used to administer it. There are plenty of dirty liberals very much interested in bringing this technology to the US. It's the major pharmaceutical companies who directly lobby to conservatives who are blocking that process.

I mean, you make a good point, but then you insert your insane partisan rhetoric. Corporations are only political in that they pander to whichever group is going to kow-tow to what they want and, go figure, that's usually conservatives. But I'm more inclined to blame Glaxo-Smith-Kline than Senator X for this problem.

As far as I know, they haven't gotten to the point of human clinical trials yet. This is liberals' fault how? Something something feminists something blah.

Love how you toss out the word "Free". That shows 100% your view on the world.

Here is an idea! Lets teach people about responsibility! That is what all this comes down too.

It would end this.

And no sane person would *** about teaching it! Parents should be teaching it but people like you think everything should be free and they don't have to do anything so their children grow up to be exactly the same. (Reference above Quote) The opposite of responsibility.


Because people will adopt babies. (I'm talking newborn here) Wait lists are huge and its fairly expensive because of the lack of supply and huge demand.

Outside of rape, incest, and complications when someone gets knocked up and they don't want the child. The responsible thing to due is find someone who does and will care for it.

But hey! Your way is so much easier, no responsibility for your actions and no cost "To the parents that is" because its Free!

Socialists like to use the word "free". Let's see how a statement looks when it reflects reality.

Pill is not the only hormone birth control available.

Progesterone birth control (versus estrogen/combo based birth control which are what many oral contraceptives are) has a much lower rate of failure (e.g. depo shot less than 1% chance of pregnancy) and less interactions with other medicines/vitamins.

It also has some pretty crappy side effect for some people. Not saying its bad for everyone but my wife took it one time and it made her evil and gain 20 pounds. Said she would never take it again.

That's the same for every birth control available. It's why there are so many different types available, because different medicines affect each woman differently.

The side affects from all birth control methods can vary from dangerous to annoying.

And depo was one example. There are other progesterone based medicines available.

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Human sexual dynamics and the 80/20 of genetic diversity. Historically for every male that reproduced four to five females reproduced, this is something confirmed after sequencing our genome. Monogamy is not natural to homo sapiens and it can't survive without strict social structures to enforce it, which is what you liberals often call "the patriarchy". Young men tend to be scared sh!tless of getting a girl pregnant, so causing temporarily sterility in males is the more efficient way to lower unwanted pregnancies. Also it's impossible to strictly regulate male potency via hormonal pills, the most you could do is lower the mobility and number of sperm produced but because males produce millions per shot you still end up with unacceptably high unwanted pregnancies rates.

I said millions because that is how much it costs to get a new drug or procedure authorized by the FDA. It doesn't matter how much the item itself will cost, if it's not authorized by the FDA then it won't be legal in the USA. It's already in human trials in India and proven to be safe and effective but because the FDA requires all that work to be redone in the USA, well it means a new name is attached to it.

If you believe in what your writing then you should be donating to that foundation. I have already heavily donated to them and continue to do so because I believe in giving men the right to control their own genetic destiny and to not be held hostage to an "opps pregnancy".

WTF are you spazzing out about, never said any of the above. However, my water is free "well" and I burn free wood "cut wood for myself and neighbors from mine and their woods" no need for gas. As for electricity I generate about half of my own. After I build another wind turbine and put up another solar array my electric will be free as well. Notice how I use the word free. I bought and paid for the methods to make it free to me.

This is beyond Epic. Parents cannot be inconvenienced to talk to their children about sex because it is embarrassing and what if the child has a hard time at some point in his life. So you say screw it kill them before they are born. /slow clap

Once again.. You say things are too hard just kill the zygote, problem solved.

Ever hear of sarcasm? I'm guessing not.

There must be a lot of insane people because our federal government has invested over a billion dollars in abstinence-only sex education in spite of repeated studies showing it has zero positive effect.

The responsible thing to do is not get knocked up. And the myth taught to poor people is that children are wonderful and a blessing and that you'll regret adopting the little ***-basket out.

You really have no familiarity with the lower class. I wonder why you champion them.

Are we really still clinging to the notion that the "rich" got their wealth by their own effort? The "rich" employ thousands, millions, possibly billions of people and skim off the top, bottom, and center of all those people's efforts to pour it into one Scrooge McDuck-ian vault.

Your essential problem is that you imagine money is something that matters. If we eliminate currency and the primary use of currency (to secure one's comfort and safety via an agreed-upon measure of exchange), innovation nor competition will not dry up and shrivel away. A Seattle business owner just cut his personal salary from $1,000,000 per year to $70,000 so that he could raise all of his employees' salaries to at least $70,000 per year. Want to take bets on how well the company will be doing next year? Are you prepared to lose?

The strange thing is that we literally did do so much by taxing the rich. In the 50s and 60s, the golden years of youth when all was right in the world, top earners would be taxed at a rate approaching 90%. It still left them enough money to vacation anywhere on the planet, buy a new car every 6 months, and have a television in every room. In the meantime, it also helped provide for all the returning GIs to get an education and raise their hordes of spawn and spark a revolution of equalization.

Does your self-worth really depend on knowing that you have more money than someone else? If so, you must be incapable of realizing how pathetic that is. Base your self-worth on something tangible, like founding a restaurant with a 6-month waiting list or inventing a cell phone that people clamor to own within hours of its product launch. Do something real, make an impact on the world, and if the impact you make is to finance others' efforts, that's still plenty.

I'm glad to hear that. Why do you insist on bringing partisan nonsense into the discussion?

Incidentally, using the words "sexism" and "patriarchy" in the exact same contemptuous and deliberately lying fashion as a third-wave feminist doesn't make you any better than them.

Did you invent them?

This ridiculous notion of rugged individualism only works if we pretend that homo sapiens sapiens doesn't have a hundred-thousand year history as a species building on innovations made by our predecessors over the past several million years.

Honestly, by the sounds of it, what you want most is to die forgotten. You've made your little compound out in the middle of nowhere, you've cut yourself off from the world (except to argue on and be repeatedly banned from an internet forum for a dying MMORPG), and you apparently have no ambition to engage with or contribute to your society or your species. I will never understand you.

Please learn to read.


Obviously the responsible thing is to not get knocked up I'm amazed you could recognize that. But as you insist on pointing out no birth control is 100%. Please try and keep up with the conversation.

Right in the feels!

ROFL.

You Realize these are the same things right..?


Wow. Actually I prefer to be self sufficient and not have to pay bills every month. "You know those things that take away the stuff you refuse to work for." Once my "little compound" is complete, I will begin building two more "little compounds" one for each of my children that were "planned". If all goes well I should retire by the time I am 55 and be able to spend time with my children, there children and there children. Then I will die knowing I've done my best by providing for my family.

Your way sounds fun too. Leech off the system, kill off your offspring, and maybe do something that gets you 5 minutes of fame. Sadly, I'm putting sarcasm tags on this.

BTW, you apparently have no ambition to engage with or contribute to your society or your species, since you're posting on the same internet forum for a dying MMORPG nice post count. smh

That you actually believe this isn't surprising. Everything I spoke was true and verifiable. Biology trumps all and is immune to socialist double speak and historical revisionism.

No free hat?

What language is this?

Seriously if you have to chose between eating and $4 for condoms, no government assistant and free hand outs in the world are going to help your existence.

If $20 a month is way too much money for you to spend on a recreational activity (yes sex in all forms is recreational in the context of birth control) then once again your priorities are really screwed up.

Education? How about learning how to budget your money if $4-$20 is too much money to spend on a recreational activity. Still got money for that booze though I'll bet.

That would be a far better public program to spend tax payer money on. How to live within your means. I'd gladly pay taxes for such a program.

The FDA accepts human trials completed in other countries. More than just one clinical trial is usually required to get approval for most drugs. (Short term vs. Long term, dosage differences, population differences, etc).

FDA guidelines

I know, for example, Novo Nordisk completes at least some of their phase 3 trials in Europe, Asia, Africa, and South America and still gets FDA approval.

And RISUG is not available in India yet, either. The human trials have not been completed so I'm not sure how you can assert that it has been proven to be safe and effective.

Oh good. A birth control discussion.

I'll just skip reading back this time.

Bottom line is that we should have effective, reversible birth control available for both genders that doesn't yo-yo hormones, but there are about a billion roadblocks (most of them dollar bills) to the process.

So, you spent 4 paragraphs setting up strawmen and arguing with them just so you could say in a lot of words that the statement I modified really does reflect how you think? That's an odd way to make a rebuttal.

You're not missing anything. Same old, same old. I'm waiting for someone to haphazardly ramble about "hidden ovulation" again. That was a doozy!

If I understand it correctly, it's being (pardon the pun) cockblocked (or at least somewhat delayed) by the same crap it gets stifled by here in the U.S. 1) money interests 2) an society even more hellbent on rampant reproduction.

So if you're too poor, don't have sex. Now which side of this argument is being impractical again?

They spout this garbage that people are being incapable of living their own lives and affording their own stuff. "Oh we can't leave that responsibility up to the people, they can't handle that."

How poorly must you think of people to think they are incapable of nothing but being a mooch?

Did he start this whole thing talking about abortion? Through the power of straw men he's drifted to birth control.