Just to be clear, I don't think anyone feels that the word "elitist" refers to good players with good linkshells that can clear content well.
It's those people who buy gil, or bot, or otherwise cheat, and then call everyone else "gimp" for not being as far along.
Or those who somehow have time to devote 16 hours/day to the game, never help anyone with anything, are always the first to lot stuff even if they don't really need it, and then tell other they suck for not having item x for a job they play.
I'm Not Leaving, I'm Not Giving Up. And Neither Should You.
I'm not leaving, I'm not giving up. And neither should you.
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
I was thinking more in line with when you randomly go "*** it, let's go to Al Zhabi"
Indeed. Do whatever you feel like doing in the game that makes you happy. People don't need to ***on others for choosing to play the game how they want to and at their own pace. There is no competition that requires you to rush through anything in FFXI, and there is nothing but your own sense of accomplishment or lack thereof when YOU decide it's over.
Uber completionist? Good for you!
Content with solo-pet job the entire game with minimal help and play in your mog garden the majority of your playtime? Good for you!
If you are happy doing what you do and it's not hurting anyone else, then more power to you.
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »
Just to be clear, I don't think anyone feels that the word "elitist" refers to good players with good linkshells that can clear content well.
It's those people who buy gil, or bot, or otherwise cheat, and then call everyone else "gimp" for not being as far along.
Or those who somehow have time to devote 16 hours/day to the game, never help anyone with anything, are always the first to lot stuff even if they don't really need it, and then tell other they suck for not having item x for a job they play.
It's those people who buy gil, or bot, or otherwise cheat, and then call everyone else "gimp" for not being as far along.
Or those who somehow have time to devote 16 hours/day to the game, never help anyone with anything, are always the first to lot stuff even if they don't really need it, and then tell other they suck for not having item x for a job they play.
Precisely.
But then again, that's all in how you individually define the term.
It could just as easily be a miscommunication if you used the term "Veteran Player" and then someone who has personal insecurities about their age has a meltdown.
/shrugs.
Lakshmi.Leosin said: »
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »
Just to be clear, I don't think anyone feels that the word "elitist" refers to good players with good linkshells that can clear content well.
It's those people who buy gil, or bot, or otherwise cheat, and then call everyone else "gimp" for not being as far along.
Or those who somehow have time to devote 16 hours/day to the game, never help anyone with anything, are always the first to lot stuff even if they don't really need it, and then tell other they suck for not having item x for a job they play.
It's those people who buy gil, or bot, or otherwise cheat, and then call everyone else "gimp" for not being as far along.
Or those who somehow have time to devote 16 hours/day to the game, never help anyone with anything, are always the first to lot stuff even if they don't really need it, and then tell other they suck for not having item x for a job they play.
Precisely.
But then again, that's all in how you individually define the term.
It could just as easily be a miscommunication if you used the term "Veteran Player" and then someone who has personal insecurities about their age has a meltdown.
/shrugs.
usually someone who is using the term elitist to define someone else is just pissed they arent involved with groups who do well, and are instead left behind(or feel left out), or arent capable of doing well in some way for some reason("doing well" meaning doing the things on the front line of whats new/difficult/unknown). its a defense mechanism, much in the same way people would drop an activity they were doing with their friend where their friend was incredibly better at it than them and just say "you take this too seriously!". it almost doesnt matter what the word is defined as, since when someone uses it, its much better a way to find out who is justifying something somewhere somehow. not talking ***or anything, but im pretty sure it usually ends up revealing something about the person who calls someone an elitist, rather than describe the person they were referring to accurately at all.
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Bismarck.Laurelli said: »
Just to be clear, I don't think anyone feels that the word "elitist" refers to good players with good linkshells that can clear content well.
It's those people who buy gil, or bot, or otherwise cheat, and then call everyone else "gimp" for not being as far along.
Or those who somehow have time to devote 16 hours/day to the game, never help anyone with anything, are always the first to lot stuff even if they don't really need it, and then tell other they suck for not having item x for a job they play.
It's those people who buy gil, or bot, or otherwise cheat, and then call everyone else "gimp" for not being as far along.
Or those who somehow have time to devote 16 hours/day to the game, never help anyone with anything, are always the first to lot stuff even if they don't really need it, and then tell other they suck for not having item x for a job they play.
Btw Leosin I've been playing very casually for a long time now, so take the stick out of your eye(or ***).
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I always thought elitist was a positive thing.
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I'm a long term veteran player, and hardly an elitist.
But from what I've seen, it's used both ways to describe top tier players who cry out "GIT ON MY LEVLE" kind of people, and those at the bottom trying to blame others because they can't do as well as the top tier players, a lot of which grab their gear legitimately, because they focus on doing the content as it comes out, rather than focusing on casual play.
But from what I've seen, it's used both ways to describe top tier players who cry out "GIT ON MY LEVLE" kind of people, and those at the bottom trying to blame others because they can't do as well as the top tier players, a lot of which grab their gear legitimately, because they focus on doing the content as it comes out, rather than focusing on casual play.
Carbuncle.Bukadan said: »
usually someone who is using the term elitist to define someone else is just pissed they arent involved with groups who do well, and are instead left behind(or feel left out), or arent capable of doing well in some way for some reason("doing well" meaning doing the things on the front line of whats new/difficult/unknown). its a defense mechanism, much in the same way people would drop an activity they were doing with their friend where their friend was incredibly better at it than them and just say "you take this too seriously!". it almost doesnt matter what the word is defined as, since when someone uses it, its much better a way to find out who is justifying something somewhere somehow. not talking ***or anything, but im pretty sure it usually ends up revealing something about the person who calls someone an elitist, rather than describe the person they were referring to accurately at all.
Or...the person being called an elitist actually IS an elitist with no intention of helping others, not inviting people to groups who needs a clear/item/etc, feels he/she is better than others (superiority complex?) and or is just a plain a$$hole. That too.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Btw Leosin I've been playing very casually for a long time now, so take the stick out of your eye(or ***).
A stick in the eye/***? Cute.
I don't care what frequency you play, that is your choice Seha.
My issue is your attitude. You took a broad description, degraded it and immediately labeled it as a "moronic statement" because you took a personal issue with the term Elitist.
Justify the usage however you want, I've never heard the term used as anything but derogatory toward players who view themselves as the top echelon and anyone viewed beneath them as "newbs/noobs" or whatever the current vernacular is.
Here's an alternate way of getting this point across since "Elitist" seemed to just derail:
All the a$$holes that live in the delusion that they are above others in FFXI for whatever reason.
How off the rocker do you have to be to think that anyone is the "Top tier" of anything in FFXI?
Because of what? FFXIAH Ranking? Your own perceived accomplishments or whatever gear you currently sport? Guess what? hordes of other players have outdone whatever you think you've accomplished ten times over and have been retired for years.
Whatever you do-be it vidja games, sports, hobbies or anything that requires a level of progression there will ALWAYS be someone better than you and worse off than you in any regard so to label yourself as above anyone is unbelievably smug and narcissistic.
To piss on anyone "beneath" you is just as bad if not worse.
This kind of categorization is a big reason why I chose to play casually for years. The majority of the FFXI community is toxic and it's no surprise that new players generally don't last. Why would anyone want to put their time into a game that requires you to reach out for help, just to get a fistful of steaming vindictive ***from the existing player base?
I am blessed to have the time to play FFXI with friends, family, and some amazingly skilled people on Lakshmi that embrace helping others, and I will be around to pay it forward to anyone who'll want to experience this wonderful game long after all of the poisonous people have gone.
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Lakshmi.Leosin said: »
Artemicion said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Artemicion said: »
But for those who played for more superficial reasons and stayed on top a majority of the time will find little incentive to stick around.
You'll have to forgive my poor use of adjectives, but I was merely insinuating the rift between motives of playing the game in the first place. Some people play MMOs to be the best of the best and on top of the numbers roster so to speak, and those will likely be the first to abandon ship.
But you're right, once the updates end, everyone will find and complete their own objectives on their time and that's when it all comes to a close. Some earlier than others for different reasons.
^ SOOOOOOO much this.
So... after Novembers updates, all of the obsessive one uppers and elitist players will be power-humping the content, finishing it, and then walking out the FFXI door leaving all of the "casuals" to play with all of the rest of the people who'll stick around just play the game for fun?
Sign me up!
If a sub decline involves gilbuyers, blatant botters, neckbeards and the wide range of *** in FFXI then by all means please let the doors hit you right in the assface on the way out.
Edit: Dear Anjisnu, you rock.
Not just elitist and one upper players, but I'm sure a lot of casuals will probably leave as well. No new content after November and just spamming old rehash content for months after til they get bored and move on to another MMO or something else. I've played the game for 10 years and I've done so casually.
After a while, before the announcement to stop FFXI (content and major update wise), I was just bored of the game and after 10 years I finally decided to quit and move on with life.
Quote:
If a sub decline involves gilbuyers, blatant botters, neckbeards and the wide range of *** in FFXI then by all means please let the doors hit you right in the assface on the way out.
^ LOL @ Neckbeards
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Lakshmi.Leosin said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Btw Leosin I've been playing very casually for a long time now, so take the stick out of your eye(or ***).
A stick in the eye/***? Cute.
I don't care what frequency you play, that is your choice Seha.
My issue is your attitude. You took a broad description, degraded it and immediately labeled it as a "moronic statement" because you took a personal issue with the term Elitist.
Justify the usage however you want, I've never heard the term used as anything but derogatory toward players who view themselves as the top echelon and anyone viewed beneath them as "newbs/noobs" or whatever the current vernacular is.
Here's an alternate way of getting this point across since "Elitist" seemed to just derail:
All the a$$holes that live in the delusion that they are above others in FFXI for whatever reason.
How off the rocker do you have to be to think that anyone is the "Top tier" of anything in FFXI?
Because of what? FFXIAH Ranking? Your own perceived accomplishments or whatever gear you currently sport? Guess what? hordes of other players have outdone whatever you think you've accomplished ten times over and have been retired for years.
Whatever you do-be it vidja games, sports, hobbies or anything that requires a level of progression there will ALWAYS be someone better than you and worse off than you in any regard so to label yourself as above anyone is unbelievably smug and narcissistic.
To piss on anyone "beneath" you is just as bad if not worse.
This kind of categorization is a big reason why I chose to play casually for years. The majority of the FFXI community is toxic and it's no surprise that new players generally don't last. Why would anyone want to put their time into a game that requires you to reach out for help, just to get a fistful of steaming vindictive ***from the existing player base?
I am blessed to have the time to play FFXI with friends, family, and some amazingly skilled people on Lakshmi that embrace helping others, and I will be around to pay it forward to anyone who'll want to experience this wonderful game long after all of the poisonous people have gone.
I think the biggest term people associate with "elitist" is the condescending attitude that a lot have towards others who haven't accomplished as much as they have.
That's not to say that all of the "top tier" players are like that at all. There's a lot that will help with shouts, get wins for others just to help, etc. But the elitist attitude of not wanting to help or even associate with players who haven't accomplished as much is probably the type of people that were meant with the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comment. It has nothing to do with jealousy. It's a negative trait but you'll never see those people use it to describe themselves because they always seem to have a way to justify being condescending towards "lesser" players. Very few people are able to look at their traits and acknowledge the negative ones they have.
The worst part is that it's a better test of how good you are to go into a fight and win with less skilled or lesser geared players than with insisting that you always have your safety net of the best geared or best skilled players playing with you.
That's not to say that all of the "top tier" players are like that at all. There's a lot that will help with shouts, get wins for others just to help, etc. But the elitist attitude of not wanting to help or even associate with players who haven't accomplished as much is probably the type of people that were meant with the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comment. It has nothing to do with jealousy. It's a negative trait but you'll never see those people use it to describe themselves because they always seem to have a way to justify being condescending towards "lesser" players. Very few people are able to look at their traits and acknowledge the negative ones they have.
The worst part is that it's a better test of how good you are to go into a fight and win with less skilled or lesser geared players than with insisting that you always have your safety net of the best geared or best skilled players playing with you.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Lakshmi.Leosin said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Btw Leosin I've been playing very casually for a long time now, so take the stick out of your eye(or ***).
A stick in the eye/***? Cute.
I don't care what frequency you play, that is your choice Seha.
My issue is your attitude. You took a broad description, degraded it and immediately labeled it as a "moronic statement" because you took a personal issue with the term Elitist.
Justify the usage however you want, I've never heard the term used as anything but derogatory toward players who view themselves as the top echelon and anyone viewed beneath them as "newbs/noobs" or whatever the current vernacular is.
Here's an alternate way of getting this point across since "Elitist" seemed to just derail:
All the a$$holes that live in the delusion that they are above others in FFXI for whatever reason.
How off the rocker do you have to be to think that anyone is the "Top tier" of anything in FFXI?
Because of what? FFXIAH Ranking? Your own perceived accomplishments or whatever gear you currently sport? Guess what? hordes of other players have outdone whatever you think you've accomplished ten times over and have been retired for years.
Whatever you do-be it vidja games, sports, hobbies or anything that requires a level of progression there will ALWAYS be someone better than you and worse off than you in any regard so to label yourself as above anyone is unbelievably smug and narcissistic.
To piss on anyone "beneath" you is just as bad if not worse.
This kind of categorization is a big reason why I chose to play casually for years. The majority of the FFXI community is toxic and it's no surprise that new players generally don't last. Why would anyone want to put their time into a game that requires you to reach out for help, just to get a fistful of steaming vindictive ***from the existing player base?
I am blessed to have the time to play FFXI with friends, family, and some amazingly skilled people on Lakshmi that embrace helping others, and I will be around to pay it forward to anyone who'll want to experience this wonderful game long after all of the poisonous people have gone.
Holy crap, I forget how stubborn some of you people get.
I play casually, I never said anything about having casual gear.
Because you (Seha) claim to play casually does that immediately mean you have sub-par gear? No, and I don't care what gear you have, or what gear anyone has, your attitude sucks and it's frustratingly juvenile to assume that you know of any gear I have, let alone my skill level.
Gonna have to elaborate as well: in the above post(s) using the term "you" doesn't necessarily mean "You, Seha" I mean you as in general. I didn't think I needed to specify that, but it looks like it's being interpreted as a personal attack.
Did you just miss the entire bold portion? I fully understand this concept but it seems like you are the one who is having issues with comprehending it.
JFC.
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Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »
But the elitist attitude of not wanting to help or even associate with players who haven't accomplished as much is probably the type of people that were meant with the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comment. It has nothing to do with jealousy. It's a negative trait but you'll never see those people use it to describe themselves because they always seem to have a way to justify being condescending towards "lesser" players.
Thank you.
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I assumed such because that's the only reason why you'd call others elite. If you are inferior.
I didn't miss the bold, I addressed it too. People can be better than others at every game. It has nothing to do with psychological disorders or any bad personality trait.
Also I like how you act as if such elitists cause others to not play how they want...they don't lock you out, you can play with likeminded people just like they do.
I didn't miss the bold, I addressed it too. People can be better than others at every game. It has nothing to do with psychological disorders or any bad personality trait.
Also I like how you act as if such elitists cause others to not play how they want...they don't lock you out, you can play with likeminded people just like they do.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I assumed such because that's the only reason why you'd call others elite. If you are inferior.
I didn't miss the bold, I addressed it too. People can be better than others at every game. It has nothing to do with psychological disorders or any bad personality trait.
Also I like how you act as if such elitists cause others to not play how they want...they don't lock you out, you can play with likeminded people just like they do.
I didn't miss the bold, I addressed it too. People can be better than others at every game. It has nothing to do with psychological disorders or any bad personality trait.
Also I like how you act as if such elitists cause others to not play how they want...they don't lock you out, you can play with likeminded people just like they do.
Wow. Just wow.
I feel bad for you.
It's like you didn't even read and just threw out your skewed interpretation of the same conversation.
Assuming you mean the last sentence since the rest is obvious.Was in reference to this. Just like you want to play how you want, so can the hardcores.
Lakshmi.Leosin said: »
People don't need to ***on others for choosing to play the game how they want to and at their own pace
Did someone quit the game since this thread started?
If only we were so lucky.
Where exactly was it contained before?
This is just a silly revolving troll now.
Point is made and it's useless to argue.
Have a good evening.
Point is made and it's useless to argue.
Have a good evening.
I'm not trolling.
there is a difference between calling someone an elitist because theyre going out of their way to call you out on being less than them, and someone who wont invite you to their party because you cant contribute meaningfully in such a way that provides the party theyre responsible for maintaining a reasonable role. if you are known for you inability to follow directions (even if you have some concrete issue with how its done), perform to a certain degree with a certain degree of swapping gear, or work as a team and not run off and aggro mobs (such as getting too close then going "omg it aggro'd!" when its clearly something you could have avoided by being out of the mobs possible walking and aggro range) for no reason, then you are just not desirable. its not about anyones elitist behavior, its about your inability to contribute meaniningfully.
protectorchrono said: »
Carbuncle.Bukadan said: »
usually someone who is using the term elitist to define someone else is just pissed they arent involved with groups who do well, and are instead left behind(or feel left out), or arent capable of doing well in some way for some reason("doing well" meaning doing the things on the front line of whats new/difficult/unknown). its a defense mechanism, much in the same way people would drop an activity they were doing with their friend where their friend was incredibly better at it than them and just say "you take this too seriously!". it almost doesnt matter what the word is defined as, since when someone uses it, its much better a way to find out who is justifying something somewhere somehow. not talking ***or anything, but im pretty sure it usually ends up revealing something about the person who calls someone an elitist, rather than describe the person they were referring to accurately at all.
Or...the person being called an elitist actually IS an elitist with no intention of helping others, not inviting people to groups who needs a clear/item/etc, feels he/she is better than others (superiority complex?) and or is just a plain a$$hole. That too.
Yea that's also how I see the term elitist.
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Bloodrose said: »
I'm a long term veteran player, and hardly an elitist.
But from what I've seen, it's used both ways to describe top tier players who cry out "GIT ON MY LEVLE" kind of people, and those at the bottom trying to blame others because they can't do as well as the top tier players, a lot of which grab their gear legitimately, because they focus on doing the content as it comes out, rather than focusing on casual play.
But from what I've seen, it's used both ways to describe top tier players who cry out "GIT ON MY LEVLE" kind of people, and those at the bottom trying to blame others because they can't do as well as the top tier players, a lot of which grab their gear legitimately, because they focus on doing the content as it comes out, rather than focusing on casual play.
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