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Minimum Wage
Fenrir.Atheryn
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-03-17 15:01:08
If the service is really bad, my wife and I don't tip. It usually involves an exchanged glance and mention of "NT".
Generally though, service is usually acceptable in the very least. There have only been a few times to where the waitress seemed to have forgotten we existed.
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Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-17 15:01:56
In any establishment where a tip is expected, I quote unto them the wise adages of Confucious.
Don't be that guy. It wasn't even funny when a 14-year-old did it for the first time back in like 1964.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 15:07:18
So many factors go into tipping for me.
For one, I nearly always tip delivery drivers well because I live in an out-of-the-way location and their time getting food to me is largely dependant upon traffic lights lining up; that they come out to my place at all justifies a tip just for the time it takes.
As for restaurant staff, their actual service, timeliness, keeping drinks filled, being polite, time of day, the ratio of customers-to-servers, and my own regularity at an establishment all figure in. I always tip my delivery guys, often more than usual in the winter because *** driving through snow drifts and -40 degree weather.
The latter though, should be the formula for tipping the staff, but it shouldn't be expected, otherwise it's not a tip or gratuity.
Where I grew up, getting a tip was a rare thing, and only for an exceptionally well done job, or going above and beyond the bare minimum to enhance the customer experience.
One couple gave me a 50 dollar tip one year because I carried out a 16 foot Christmas tree to their truck, and the tree itself was only worth abut 30 bucks.
Then the manager came out and tried to tell me I was stealing from the company for accepting a tip.
By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:08:29
I don't tip cause society tells me to I tip if I feel like it.
My tip therapist to told me to stop thinking and start feeling !
By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 15:09:07
Good, good. Let the tip flow through you.
By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:09:59
Normally I'm drunk when I'm in a place where you tip
So it depends on my level of "awareness"
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-17 15:12:41
Then the manager came out and tried to tell me I was stealing from the company for accepting a tip.
Yeah. When I worked for Walmart they had a very strict no-tipping policy. They'd pretty much put a strike out of a three-strikes-and-you're-fired policy on you if they caught you taking a tip.
Which is actual straight-up *** when you've helped a guy for an hour pick out the best televisions for him, got them ready for him, got them situated and secured in his truck for him, and you can't take the $50 he's offering you because a manager is hanging out nearby. (In a semi-related note to restaurants, is was a group of televisions for his bar, he was replacing also his old CRTs with flatscreens.)
I'm so utterly fed-up with the corporate culture that doesn't value its employees in any real sense of the concept.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2015-03-17 15:13:36
So many factors go into tipping for me.
100% agreed.
I even take into consideration how long I was there and how much time I kept another tipper from being in that seat. If I go out to eat with friends, we bs around and hang out for a while, so I tip more.
If I go by myself and finish my meal in 5 mins (I eat fast) and am up and out, I tip less.
By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 15:15:36
Also, how the *** is it stealing from the company when good service, hard word, etc that results in a tip, and return business from a good customer service experience?
I mean, I got to keep my tip because the couple had already left, but he watched me like a ***' hawk for the remainder of my time at the Christmas tree lot.
(which I had to work outside, in the cold, in the evening, until they closed their doors for the night)
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-17 15:16:35
So many factors go into tipping for me.
100% agreed.
I even take into consideration how long I was there and how much time I kept another tipper from being in that seat. If I go out to eat with friends, we bs around and hang out for a while, so I tip more.
If I go by myself and finish my meal in 5 mins (I eat fast) and am up and out, I tip less.
Oh man, if I'm out with friends, forget about it.
Then I've got to factor in how drunk we got and how much they harassed the poor server. Male or female doesn't matter, my friends are just very lively people and like to include anyone and everyone around them in stories and anecdotes. That and I think the middle-age women we go out with sometimes harass the male waiters more than the guys my age could ever harass the female waitstaff.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 15:17:41
I'm so utterly fed-up with the corporate culture that doesn't value its employees in any real sense of the concept. In this case, it's not that.
It's that every single tip is required to be reported on your W-2 and to have payroll taxes taken out of the tips.
Walmart made it a policy not to screw over the employees, but because it will be near impossible to report that income properly and, in order to not have to pay a shitton of fines and penalties (along with interest and penalty interest) that they will automatically lose on in payroll audits (and believe me, the federal government would audit them on a monthly basis just to collect those fines and penalties), they made it a corporate policy to prevent those unnecessary expenses to occur in the first place.
I expect a rebuttal of "no u" from our anti-business posters who don't understand that these penalties and fines could have cost upwards of $100s of millions of dollars.
By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 15:17:58
I can still tip a waiter/waitress for excellent service, even if the food and the establishment sucks all around. I just wouldn't consider returning, because no matter how good the service is, I'm going out to a restaurant for an experience worth paying for, and worth returning to, ultimately to pay for more of.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 15:18:17
Also, how the *** is it stealing from the company when good service, hard word, etc that results in a tip, and return business from a good customer service experience? Cause your manager is an ***. Only reason behind it.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-17 15:18:39
Zero or near percent interest rates, stock buy backs, and corporate subsidies. There are your problems.
By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:18:52
I'm a terrible person most of the time so I don't tip !
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-17 15:18:57
I'm so utterly fed-up with the corporate culture that doesn't value its employees in any real sense of the concept. In this case, it's not that.
It's that every single tip is required to be reported on your W-2 and to have payroll taxes taken out of the tips.
Walmart made it a policy not to screw over the employees, but because it will be near impossible to report that income properly and, in order to not have to pay a shitton of fines and penalties (along with interest and penalty interest) that they will automatically lose on in payroll audits (and believe me, the federal government would audit them on a monthly basis just to collect those fines and penalties), they made it a corporate policy to prevent those unnecessary expenses to occur in the first place.
I expect a rebuttal of "no u" from our anti-business posters who don't understand that these penalties and fines could have cost upwards of $100s of millions of dollars.
So they chose to harm their employees wages rather than do extra work. Got it.
Though I honestly hadn't considered that, so it does explain things a bit. But they're dishonest with employees about it. They always pitched it as a customer service/fairness to other employees thing.
By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 15:19:25
I'm so utterly fed-up with the corporate culture that doesn't value its employees in any real sense of the concept. In this case, it's not that.
It's that every single tip is required to be reported on your W-2 and to have payroll taxes taken out of the tips.
Walmart made it a policy not to screw over the employees, but because it will be near impossible to report that income properly and, in order to not have to pay a shitton of fines and penalties (along with interest and penalty interest) that they will automatically lose on in payroll audits (and believe me, the federal government would audit them on a monthly basis just to collect those fines and penalties), they made it a corporate policy to prevent those unnecessary expenses to occur in the first place.
I expect a rebuttal of "no u" from our anti-business posters who don't understand that these penalties and fines could have cost upwards of $100s of millions of dollars. *clears throat* Ahem... NO U!
By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 15:20:16
Also, how the *** is it stealing from the company when good service, hard word, etc that results in a tip, and return business from a good customer service experience? Cause your manager is an ***. Only reason behind it. Wasn't just that manager, but every non-food and hospitality manager I've ever had to deal with.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 15:21:33
I'm so utterly fed-up with the corporate culture that doesn't value its employees in any real sense of the concept. In this case, it's not that.
It's that every single tip is required to be reported on your W-2 and to have payroll taxes taken out of the tips.
Walmart made it a policy not to screw over the employees, but because it will be near impossible to report that income properly and, in order to not have to pay a shitton of fines and penalties (along with interest and penalty interest) that they will automatically lose on in payroll audits (and believe me, the federal government would audit them on a monthly basis just to collect those fines and penalties), they made it a corporate policy to prevent those unnecessary expenses to occur in the first place.
I expect a rebuttal of "no u" from our anti-business posters who don't understand that these penalties and fines could have cost upwards of $100s of millions of dollars.
So they chose to harm their employees wages rather than do extra work. Got it. See underline.
You are talking about hundreds of thousands of employees, most of which are not the most honest people around, and asking them to report any/all tips they receive so they can be taxed on it.
It would be a logistics nightmare.
Though I honestly hadn't considered that, so it does explain things a bit. But they're dishonest with employees about it. They always pitched it as a customer service/fairness to other employees thing.
I wouldn't know how they explained it to them. I highly doubt they could be completely honest with their employees, as 99.9% of the information they have to deal with would go straight over the employee's head.
Remember, they do not hire the brightest bulbs, but the ones who are willing to at least put the effort in their jobs. Even then, that's a crapshoot.
By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:22:59
Why does it feel like we have discussed this before... yea pretty sure we did !
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-03-17 15:23:29
Except that it has. Page 8, Line 6 is where you want to go.
Mind you, these events are happening while the minimum wage is at $11/hr. So, do you think it will stop here, or get worse next year when it's at $13/hr? What events have occured since January 1?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 15:25:12
Except that it has. Page 8, Line 6 is where you want to go.
Mind you, these events are happening while the minimum wage is at $11/hr. So, do you think it will stop here, or get worse next year when it's at $13/hr? What events have occured since January 1? Not sure if you are serious or just opaque.
By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 15:26:41
Except that it has. Page 8, Line 6 is where you want to go.
Mind you, these events are happening while the minimum wage is at $11/hr. So, do you think it will stop here, or get worse next year when it's at $13/hr? What events have occured since January 1? Not sure if you are serious or just opaque.
Opaque Jake.
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By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:30:02
*** be opaque I just put some grease on em !
Tupac Shakur
(maybe I don't know)
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-03-17 15:34:21
Except that it has. Page 8, Line 6 is where you want to go.
Mind you, these events are happening while the minimum wage is at $11/hr. So, do you think it will stop here, or get worse next year when it's at $13/hr? What events have occured since January 1? Not sure if you are serious or just opaque. So you didn't read the associated article from Seattle Magazine that listed several overt reasons why restaurant closures are occuring and how multiple new establishments have been popping up at a rapid pace? TLDR; they're not closing over "concern".
By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:36:45
TLDR your TLDR !
Take that reading !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 15:42:51
Except that it has. Page 8, Line 6 is where you want to go.
Mind you, these events are happening while the minimum wage is at $11/hr. So, do you think it will stop here, or get worse next year when it's at $13/hr? What events have occured since January 1? Not sure if you are serious or just opaque. So you didn't read the associated article from Seattle Magazine that listed several overt reasons why restaurant closures are occuring and how multiple new establishments have been popping up at a rapid pace? TLDR; they're not closing over "concern". Anything to try to explain away closures due to increased costs, huh?
Let's see how long these new restaurants last. Notice how these newer restaurants are catering towards higher end people, but the ones closing down were not?
I guess profit margins is a concept foreign to you....
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-17 15:45:53
What's middle class?
There is only poor and rich!
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-03-17 15:46:50
What am I trying to explain away? It's part of the information provided by the OP. You seem content on accepting only the parts you want to believe while discarding the rest.
And where did you get the idea that closures are mostly relegated to less expensive establishments?
By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:47:19
What's middle class?
There is only poor and rich!
Obama is middle class for a rich upper class !
So he is the Middle Upper class !
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omg what a surprise...
Quote: In a few weeks, Seattle’s new, highest in the country, $15 per hour minimum wage will go into effect. Like many liberal policies, it was passed by City Hall with the best of intentions. The only problem is, in the end, it may do more harm than good for many.
Private businesses, unlike government entities (which, in theory, can always raise taxes or borrow), must make more than they spend in order to pay the rent, make payroll, keep the lights on, pay their business taxes, and, heaven forbid, have some left over for the owners and investors who are taking the risk and putting in the long hours.
Earlier this month, Seattle Magazine asked, Why Are So Many Seattle Restaurants Closing Lately?:
Last month—and particularly last week— Seattle foodies were downcast as the blows kept coming: Queen Anne’s Grub closed February 15. Pioneer Square’s Little Uncle shut down February 25. Shanik’s Meeru Dhalwala announced that it will close March 21. Renée Erickson’s Boat Street Café will shutter May 30 after 17 years with her at the helm…What the #*%&$* is going on? A variety of things, probably—and a good chance there is more change to come.
The magazine went on to report that one “major factor affecting restaurant futures in our city is the impending minimum wage hike.” Anthony Anton, president and CEO of Washington Restaurant Association, told the magazine, “It’s not a political problem; it’s a math problem.” He estimates that restaurants usually have a budget breakdown of about 36 percent for labor, 30 percent for food costs, and 30 percent to cover other operational costs. That leaves 4 percent for a profit margin. When labor costs shoot up to say 42 percent, something has to give.
Restaurants can take actions to adjust, such as raise their prices, acquire cheaper ingredients, and cut their operating hours and labor force. However, all those actions generate reactions from the public which can still lead to lower revenues for the restaurant and, for some, the decision to close their doors.
The Washington Policy Center explains:
When prices rise consumers seek alternatives, a behavior economists call the “substitution effect,” which results in lower demand for the higher-priced product. In the case of restaurants, consumers have access to the ultimate substitution – they can stay home.
A spokesman for the Washington Restaurant Association told the Washington Policy Center, “Every [restaurant] operator I’m talking to is in panic mode, trying to figure out what the new world will look like.”
Seattle had a foretaste of the effect of the $15 minimum wage earlier this year when Prop 1, which made a $15 minimum wage for those working in parking garages and hotels near Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, took effect. A reporter asked a cleaning woman and a part-time banquet server, who work in a hotel near SEATAC, what they thought of the new law:
The cleaning woman responded, “It sounds good, but it’s not good,”
“Why?” I asked.
“I lost my 401k, health insurance, paid holiday, and vacation,” she responded. “No more free food,” she added.
The hotel used to feed her. Now, she has to bring her own food. Also, no overtime, she said. She used to work extra hours and received overtime pay.
“What else?” I asked.
“I have to pay for parking,” she said.
I then asked the part-time waitress, who was part of the catering staff.
“Yes, I’ve got $15 an hour, but all my tips are now much less,” she said. Before the new wage law was implemented, her hourly wage was $7. But her tips added to more than $15 an hour. Yes, she used to receive free food and parking. Now, she has to bring her own food and pay for parking.
The Seattle Times reported that a Clarion Hotel recently made the decision to close its full service restaurant (laying off 15 people) and let go of a night desk clerk and a maintenance worker. It also plans to raise its rates by 10 percent to offset increased labor costs.
As the April 1 deadline approaches, the residents of Seattle will have a front row seat to the effects of the $15 per hour minimum wage, but early indicators suggest it will not be as positive as City Hall intended.
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