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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-20 05:14:04
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State-sponsored unions?











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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 05:48:08
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
as typical of right leaning people, I am hard working, dependable, and responsible.
I'm going to have to stop you right there.

It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you are on, there are hard working, dependable, and responsible people period.

It is a common misconception that only the <insert whichever side of the political spectrum you are on> are the hardest working, most dependable, and most responsible people there is, and that's an outright lie. Because we are humans who are generally have different personalities, and work ethics is not connected one bit with political viewpoints.

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but yea, not a big fan of forced union participation.
Only people who are dependent on it for their livelihoods are big fans of forced union participation.

Like union members. And liberal/democrat leaders. Got to get most of their donations somewhere, right?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-20 08:13:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Like union members. And liberal/democrat leaders. Got to get most of their donations somewhere, right?
Too bad they can't afford to donate of their own free will.
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 08:52:00
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Does FFXIAH have a union if so how can I join ?
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 08:55:55
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Basically being in a union is like being a hippie ! Hold signs sing songs fight power etc !
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-20 08:58:52
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Like union members. And liberal/democrat leaders. Got to get most of their donations somewhere, right?
Too bad they can't afford to donate of their own free will.
Do you think all union workers are making minimum wage or something like that?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-20 09:01:52
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Most people aren't a big fan of being forced to pay union dues but I bet they're all pretty happy to benefit from the agreements they've worked out for em.
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 09:02:22
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That is why I want to join the FFXIAH union you get paid to post here !
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 09:12:20
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Most people aren't a big fan of being forced to pay union dues but I bet they're all pretty happy to benefit from the agreements they've worked out for em.

Yeah. I'd like to ask all the "unhappy" people who are in positions with mandatory union membership how they feel about loss of wages and loss of benefits, because that's practically guaranteed without collective bargaining.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 09:40:43
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Most people aren't a big fan of being forced to pay union dues but I bet they're all pretty happy to benefit from the agreements they've worked out for em.

Yeah. I'd like to ask all the "unhappy" people who are in positions with mandatory union membership how they feel about loss of wages and loss of benefits, because that's practically guaranteed without collective bargaining.
Just like how I would like to ask all of the "happy" people who cannot find a job because businesses cannot afford them and either shutdown business or moved to a different state.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 09:46:28
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Just like how I would like to ask all of the "happy" people who cannot find a job because businesses cannot afford them and either shutdown business or moved to a different state.

I'm sorry, but I simply cannot justify that being treated like garbage for a pittance is better than being unemployed. It basically says to people that you don't value yourself, so why should they?

Go back a few pages to the Irish example Ono gave. That is spot-on why taking "what you can get" isn't always the best thing for you and others like you, despite the fact we've been raised to think that it is.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-20 09:52:08
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Just like how I would like to ask all of the "happy" people who cannot find a job because businesses cannot afford them and either shutdown business or moved to a different state.

I'm sorry, but I simply cannot justify that being treated like garbage for a pittance is better than being unemployed. It basically says to people that you don't value yourself, so why should they?

Go back a few pages to the Irish example Ono gave. That is spot-on why taking "what you can get" isn't always the best thing for you and others like you, despite the fact we've been raised to think that it is.

If anyone ever needed to see proof you feel entitled, here it is. You should truly feel lucky. You live embraced by a political party who fosters your sense of entitlement just so you'll vote for them in elections.
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 09:53:10
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Speaking of happiness according to Google the authority on everything, Today is international happiness day !


https://www.globalhappyparty.com/
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 09:54:15
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
If anyone ever needed to see proof you feel entitled, here it is. You should truly feel lucky. You live embraced by a political party who fosters your sense of entitlement just so you'll vote for them in elections.

It's cute you chose just to come and chime in with your normal rhetoric and buzzwords again.

Edit: Also, if you've paid attention to anything I've written in this thread, you'll know I do just fine working for my money and am properly compensated as such at this time, and I did debase myself working for the scum of the Earth for years before I managed to get out of there.

Unless you've had to make the decision to swallow your pride and do the ***-work you're massively over-qualified to do for a fraction of your worth, Nausi, you are in no position to even speak on this subject.

I wish I had known what I was entitled to a hell of a lot sooner. I didn't value myself enough to realize that the "American work ethic" instilled in me is just another form of control exerted by those with money and power to keep you doing the ***work.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 10:02:59
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
I'm sorry, but I simply cannot justify that being treated like garbage for a pittance is better than being unemployed.
2nd time today that I caught you using the "stereotyping/accusing a whole group based on the actions of a select few" approach in your reasoning.

Shall I play the same game I did with Ono a couple weeks back where you name 1 company who does <insert your argument> and I'll name 3 companies who do not do <insert your argument>? Because I promise you that your list will run out a whole lot faster than mine will.

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Go back a few pages to the Irish example Ono gave. That is spot-on why taking "what you can get" isn't always the best thing for you and others like you, despite the fact we've been raised to think that it is.
Sorry, but times have changed. The business environment has changed today than what it has back in the 1800s. Unions have done it's share, and it's time for them to fade into the sunset, because their time is up.

I promise you that no company is going to regress back to the old-style of managing when it comes to their workers (again, except for a select few, and only because of their business structure, and they are already embedded in that philosophy) and wages.

Nearly all manufacturing companies pay their people a wage reasonable for the skills they provide. All of those manufacturing companies even educate their employees to positions that are suited for more advanced skills.

If you don't believe me, go look at a random manufacturer's website, and look at what they are paying for labor.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 10:06:34
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shall I play the same game I did with Ono a couple weeks back where you name 1 company who does <insert your argument> and I'll name 3 companies who do not do <insert your argument>? Because I promise you that your list will run out a whole lot faster than mine will.

It doesn't matter that your list is "longer". That I would have a list at all is justification for these needed protections.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-20 10:07:07
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I can detect union people a mile away. They're usually hardcore liberal, but don't you dare touch their money or benefits to give to the poor.

Hypocrites at best.
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 10:08:19
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You mean you can smell union people from a mile away !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 10:08:22
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shall I play the same game I did with Ono a couple weeks back where you name 1 company who does <insert your argument> and I'll name 3 companies who do not do <insert your argument>? Because I promise you that your list will run out a whole lot faster than mine will.

It doesn't matter that your list is "longer". That I would have a list at all is justification for these needed protections.
So, we must all have unions to protect the workers from 1 person in the world?

Why not just go after that 1 person and get rid of the unions? Ever thought about that?

Want to know how to get rid of that one person? Don't work for him.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 10:08:23
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
but don't you dare touch their money or benefits to give to the poor.

I'm in favor of higher taxation for everyone to see that more people are housed, fed, medically cared for, and educated.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 10:08:56
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Why not just go after that 1 person and get rid of the unions? Ever thought about that?

It's not "one person". It's extremely powerful international corporations. >.<
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 10:10:22
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Why not just go after that 1 person and get rid of the unions? Ever thought about that?

It's not "one person". It's extremely powerful international corporations. >.<
And how again did they get extremely powerful? By working for them and buying their products or going to their stores (in the case of Walmart).

When people stop doing that, just watch at how powerless they become.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 10:11:57
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
When people stop doing that, just watch at how powerless they become.

There are people, at least in the case of Walmart, who have practically no choice but to go there, as it's the only place to get certain things.

Because Walmart's driven everyone else out.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-20 10:14:56
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
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but don't you dare touch their money or benefits to give to the poor.

I'm in favor of higher taxation for everyone to see that more people are housed, fed, medically cared for, and educated.
I never understood this mentality tbh.

You want higher taxes with the promise of doing these things, which often doesn't get done and usually that money goes straight into someone's pocket.

If I was gungho about helping them, I'd do it myself.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-20 10:15:55
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
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If anyone ever needed to see proof you feel entitled, here it is. You should truly feel lucky. You live embraced by a political party who fosters your sense of entitlement just so you'll vote for them in elections.

It's cute you chose just to come and chime in with your normal rhetoric and buzzwords again.

Edit: Also, if you've paid attention to anything I've written in this thread, you'll know I do just fine working for my money and am properly compensated as such at this time, and I did debase myself working for the scum of the Earth for years before I managed to get out of there.

Unless you've had to make the decision to swallow your pride and do the ***-work you're massively over-qualified to do for a fraction of your worth, Nausi, you are in no position to even speak on this subject.

I wish I had known what I was entitled to a hell of a lot sooner. I didn't value myself enough to realize that the "American work ethic" instilled in me is just another form of control exerted by those with money and power to keep you doing the ***work.

People's expectation of their value is often disproportionate to their actual value for what they do. Just because you can be worth 1 million to X doesn't mean you are worth 1 million to Y.

Ever see Pawn stars? When the expert comes in and tells them that their penny is worth 10k, they immediately ask the shop for 10k. You're that guy.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-20 10:16:10
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Most people aren't a big fan of being forced to pay union dues but I bet they're all pretty happy to benefit from the agreements they've worked out for em.

Yeah. I'd like to ask all the "unhappy" people who are in positions with mandatory union membership how they feel about loss of wages and loss of benefits, because that's practically guaranteed without collective bargaining.
Just like how I would like to ask all of the "happy" people who cannot find a job because businesses cannot afford them and either shutdown business or moved to a different state.
Wait... now it's a unions fault that businesses are failing and people can't find jobs?!?! I thought all people had to do was work harder and there were always good jobs out there for them.

Don't take personal responsibility for not having a job anymore! Blame the unions!

Considering that unions only take up around 6% of the employment pool in the private sector...

It's more of a problem for the public sector because of the shitty deals politicians have brokered over the years and their inability to properly plan and pay for them. They'll most likely be out of office when the bill is due anyways soo...

The work force that belongs to a union isn't all that much different in terms of production. The biggest problem I have with unions though is that they refuse to get rid of the bad seeds in their organizations.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-20 10:17:16
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It's always big corporations that donate money to charities and such.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-20 10:18:07
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
but don't you dare touch their money or benefits to give to the poor.

I'm in favor of higher taxation for everyone to see that more people are housed, fed, medically cared for, and educated.
I never understood this mentality tbh.

You want higher taxes with the promise of doing these things, which often doesn't get done and usually that money goes straight into someone's pocket.

If I was gungho about helping them, I'd do it myself.
Do it myself? Why bother when the mere promise is sufficient to fill me up on smugness?

I'm for world peace, as long as I don't have to really do anything for it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 10:24:21
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
but don't you dare touch their money or benefits to give to the poor.

I'm in favor of higher taxation for everyone to see that more people are housed, fed, medically cared for, and educated.
I never understood this mentality tbh.

You want higher taxes with the promise of doing these things, which often doesn't get done and usually that money goes straight into someone's pocket.

If I was gungho about helping them, I'd do it myself.
Never mind that taxes were raised for this very reason and yet, the problem just got worse.

New solution? Double down on the failed one.
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