~First And Final Line Of Defense V2.0~

I see a lot of things going on here. Is this Self Cures? Cures to party members only? ...or has gear progressed to the point where we just use one PLD Cure set for everything now?

Not a whole lot changed from +3 > +4 so whatever is in your sets as a +3 could be bumped to a +4 but wouldnt call any of it high priority

It's my go to cure set
Unless i need to lock in different
Ultimate Weapons / Ultimate Shields
But even than those sets are pretty similar

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Cure Potency I to cap it for me.

I have a question that is semi-related to this discussion from over 5 years ago. It's about how Priwen affects Reprisal: I know Priwen must remain equipped while Reprisal is active to get the triple block rate, but does Priwen have to be equipped during the Reprisal cast to get it in the first place? Could you cast Reprisal with a different shield and then switch to Priwen after it's up to get the triple block rate, similar to how the skill+ adjusts as described above?

BG-Wiki says, "The reprisal enhancement is lost if Priwen is unequipped after casting," but I can't find any specific confirmation that you need Priwen equipped during the cast to get it in the first place. This is a pretty unimportant question because I use Duban and the recast times on Reprisal are pretty short anyway, but I'm curious and couldn't find the answer by Googling and reading through old threads like this one.

You know, I never actually tested that. The key takeaway was always that you couldn't cast in Priwen, then swap out and get the effect for other shields. I have been assuming that you needed to cast in Priwen as well, but... I haven't verified that. But this would also be a pretty simple test, soooo.

Went out to nest[S] and grabbed a pull of mobs. lvl 129~132 or so.

First I tested with Priwen full time and reprisal, just to confirm it had capped block rate. Which it did. Then I swapped to Nibiru shield as a sort of control. Nibiru is the same shield size and skill+ as Priwen(size 3, +112 skill), so it should have the same block rate as Priwen would without the reprisal bonus. That had about an 85% rate. Small sample but this doesn't need to be to precise.

Cast a fresh reprisal in Nibiru shield then swapped to Priwen. And my block rate jumped to 100%. So... you don't need to cast reprisal in Priwen. So it's not so much modifying the reprisal buff as it is a Reprisal active latent effect on Priwen. Reprisal up and wearing Priwen and you get the effect. So, on the rare cases that I use Priwen now, I don't need to recast Reprisal after swapping to it.

Thank you! My curiosity has been satisfied. I was trying to figure out if it's worth using Priwen on a regular basis and concluded that it isn't worth it, but for some reason this unanswered question was really bugging me.

A hasty pinion in an aegis set, now that's a bold move.

I was going to say maybe it's a returning player since they're using Ochain still, but they also have a bunch of +3 Empyrean. Just a bunch of weird looking sets here...

The only weird one is you
If i had any issues tanking
Wouldn't post them
So blow me

Your sets still suck. Awaiting your next PM telling me to kill myself.

In the meantime, what's the point of a hasty pinion in an aegis set?

*ahem*

Simmer down PLDs.

This is 100% pure trolling and bait. There's absolutely 0 logic to these sets at all and it seems like it's just intentionally frustrating/stupid.

Just one example of 100 but: why does the Ochain set (idle?) include cure potency received, but then the Ochain cure set (for casting cures, presumably which will hit the PLD?) take off the cure potency received rings, in exchange for...max HP? Attack?

Why is Excalibur the weapon of choice for Ochain?

Why does Srivatsa use a different helmet and neck compared to Aegis? Why does Aegis, specifically, need a Wuji ring?

Actually, what in the world is happening in any of these sets?

It doesn't really matter, this man refuses to explain any of his logic on any of his posts, and responds to all criticism with aggression. It's pointless to even engage with him. He may be the recipient of my second ever block on this site because his posts are just pointless drivel.

Doesn't look like theres a report function in messages aside from Spam, so hey Vyre/Rooks, have at it!

since we're sharing!

For future reference, if someone is harassing you over PMs, please report it via PM to a moderator or admin. Also, please make use of the block feature, as this should stop them from being able to PM you further.

Do you have a PLD evasion set you would recommend?

Is Knight's Bead Necklace +2 used at all? Seems like a great piece that isn't mentioned a lot?

I swear I've answered this multiple times in detail over the years, but apparently I didn't ever bookmark the post and I can't find it again now... <,< Anyway

The +2 neck is in a weird place. It's good, but has such stiff competition in the slot for related stats that it's often questionable if it's worth the cost to buy and further augment.

Moonlight has more Enmity+, while also having the highest SIRD, and meva+15 is nice too. Lacks DT/HP
Unmoving collar+1[R15] has vastly more HP(+200 vs Knight's +60), while having the same enmity+, and and very similar total def values. Lacks DT
Loricate+1[R15] has only 1% less DT, and nearly the same def. Also has 5% SIRD, which can matter sometimes. Lacks enmity+/HP

These leave PLD+2 neck in a position where it is only very slightly better at two things. Total def(2.5~7.5 def ahead of next best), and highest DT(1% ahead). I suppose Knights is also the best chivalry neck(MND+15), though that is incredibly niche, and is a good atk capped savage blade option.

I do have a PLD+2 neck, and I did fully augment it. But it gets used in... surprisingly few places. The need for enmity+/SIRD, or more HP often see it replaced. And... if you didn't have it, Loricate+1 is a fair alternative for raw DT and DEF, and is much, much, cheaper to augment.

I have a PLD+2 neck and I use it in precisely 1 set: cure midcast. It's required to cap DT while also giving decent enmity and no other piece does both of those, at least the way I built my set.

YMMV depending what you do with that set. I don't see a lot of other reasons to use it. I generally discourage anyone who asks me to make them one and tell them how extremely niche it is, at best.

For weapon/shield combos… how does Excalibur with either Priwen, Aeonic, or duban s2 fair? I know Burt is the staple, but it’s NOT(edit) on the table currently.

Does just fine. Can do literally anything in the game with it. Shield is the only thing that would change depending on content.

Would largely depend on if you're using r15 excal and/or if you're using its AM without either its just a regular sword and can be swapped to almost anything else and be better off(more enmity, -DT, shield block etc)

I use it often for Sortie.

Seraph > burning > flat > savage > KoR is my our D objective SC.

It’s also the best weapon for Aminon.

The AM is very good as well.

Same. I sometimes do silly things in this game in the name of completionism, regardless of the practical value. One of those was to make a r25 +2 neck for every job in the game (across my two characters). Hey, it gave me a little personal goal to make Dyna Divergence more entertaining for the long time when my crew was going consistently 2x a week. Anyway, I've found Knight's Bead Necklace +2 the least useful of ANY of the 22 JSE+2 necks. Only Puppetmaster's Collar +2 (which I only use for the incredibly niche purpose of automaton nuking gear) is in a similarly low tier.

I do use PLD neck for a few very niche purposes, but nothing where I'd be terribly bothered to have to use an alternative. I've used it in a cure midcast set like Maletaru for a nice combo of DT-/Enm+, but I also feel fine using something like Moonlight for the higher Enm+ (and TBH, I haven't really looked at that set since Murky Ring, so maybe I'd be even more convinced now). Also Chivalry set as Martel noted. I also stuck mine in a Reprisal set when I wanted some HP in that slot and was too lazy to augment an Unmoving Collar (but that's not exactly a strong selling point lol), at one point I stuck it in an idle set because it helped me hit the HP I wanted and has DT-. But even for some of those highly niche uses, Null Loop and its mix of HP+50/DT-5%/DEF+30 is a good recent alternative that wasn't around when I was sticking PLD neck in those sets.

IMO it's for completionists only. I do happen to fall into that category a bit, so hey, maybe you're like me. Not exactly the best use of gil/time though.

You sound kinda like me. I made Excal because PLD is not one of my highest priority jobs and Burtgang was not on the table (other jobs in front of it in line for Mythics). Also, relic currency was really cheap at the time.

I like mine (R15, which I'd consider a must) and agree that I feel like I can do anything with it at a competent level, even if not ideal. The AM is pretty nice, block rate pairs really well with Duban and Srivatsa (and Priwen, but I very rarely use that any more), and KOR is a pretty good WS for damage and Fusion/Light SC purposes (great opener for your other Sword friends to close Light with their Savage Blades, for instance).

I don't get any use out of it for Aminon, because I don't regularly do Aminon and if my people brought a PLD it's highly likely that would be someone else and I would come a different job - but that's a potential use case too. I'm more using my PLD for stuff like Ambuscade, Dyna[D], Omen, messing around in Limbus, occasional lower tier Odyssey NMs - all places where I feel completely fine with Excal.

That being said, I do sometimes feel a little lacking in my enmity retention compared to my more serious PLD friends with Burtgang, and now that I've gone through my other higher priority Mythics I do intend to make a Burtgang later this year. Also dragged my feet a bit due to dreading the Atonement killshot trials, but sometimes I'm in a masochistic mood so I'll just take my time and eventually grind through it.

Enmity retention is nice (potentially), but i think the main killer bonuses for burtgsng are:

+23 enmity is huge
Bonus to Atonement hate is nice
-PDT II is nuts

I think a lot of people sleep on it since it's only 18, but when you're at 50%, another 18% reduction brings the damage down by 36%. For example, if you take a 1k hit, normally you'd take 500, then with burt it goes to 320, a reduction of 36% from 500. Especially in scenarios where you're also blocking and have phalanx, it can be the difference between taking 15 or taking 0.

It's almost the only sword you ever need to use and it's quite a bit above all the other options, IMO.

Yeaaa, same boat it seems! As nice as Burt is, it's not the radar for quite a while and I'm in no rush for it. That said, I'm at a point in my accounts progression where if I want to start playing a new job I set a certain bar for myself; which is usually gearing it decently geared before use. I did this recently with SAM where I didn't really start playing it until I completed a Masamune.

Excalibur seems like quite an attainable weapon acquire and use but I've known it has fallen a bit out of favor with Burt being king and the goal of most PLDs. The AM3 with a regen 4 and blocking makes it look very appealing to be even at R0. The shield pairings I was also wondering about with it too. R15 with several shields look like a blocking machine.


What would be some alternatives to use instead? I know Sakpata's sword has been mentioned to me for the HP, VIT, and -DT. Nixxer as well, even if that does seem a bit entry level.