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By soralin 2022-05-04 00:20:48
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Odin.Demhar said: »
you can spam easy 15k~20k KOTR back to back at 1k tp and SC light with Excal

You can do, IIRC, Savage Blade -> KotR -> KotR, to do double light

Or, you could just spam savage blade.

I am curious what people are actually finding is performing better though.

I am going to guess, if its still the same as before, the double light SC is best for solo when you wont get interrupted, but for group content savage blade spam wins since good luck getting SCs in.
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By Asura.Deathsightt 2022-05-04 14:41:47
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Question or two~ With the whole CP/JP/Exemplar points thing being a cleave fest in Crawlers nest, I want to be able to maximize my sets. I saw Martel had a set for AE, but does anyone have any updated sets, or is that about as good as it gets these days? Thanks!
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By Nariont 2022-05-04 14:47:35
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Biggest change is maxed out nyame probably wins in every slot, and some r15 unity accessories
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By Asura.Deathsightt 2022-05-04 15:01:15
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This was the set I was referencing to.

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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-04 15:06:13
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Asura.Deathsightt said: »
Question or two~ With the whole CP/JP/Exemplar points thing being a cleave fest in Crawlers nest, I want to be able to maximize my sets. I saw Martel had a set for AE, but does anyone have any updated sets, or is that about as good as it gets these days? Thanks!
I have A path Nyame, rather than B path. So my AE set is non-optimal now. :/

I haven't specifically mathed it out yet, but it is reasonable to assume that maxed B path Nyame is going to win in every slot.
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Biggest change is maxed out nyame probably wins in every slot, and some r15 unity accessories
I've been quite lazy about augmenting Ghastly Tathlum, which I'm fairly certain is a dmg increase. But was there something else from unity?

There's also Orpheus's sash, but the price tag makes me ill. And Gerdr belt(recalled the wrong weirdly named belt) Skrymir Cord, even NQ, should be better than Eschan Stone.
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By Nariont 2022-05-04 15:08:40
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right, and im saying maxed nyame will cover all those slots and not just the feet, can drop 1 of the rings for metamorph r15, ghastly+1 r15 might be better than pemphredo, not positive. o.sash obvious winner if you have that available if not acuidity belt r15 may be better than eschan, sibyl scarf in place of sanctity
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By Odin.Creaucent 2022-05-04 15:08:51
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I would suggest using full Nyame path B especially if you are pulling most of the mobs down there. PLD gets tp fast enough that you will be at 3k right after you weaponskill so a few hundred to thousand less damage is better than lowering your defenses a lot.
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By Asura.Deathsightt 2022-05-04 15:19:17
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Thank you all for the fast and informative replies. Updating my sets!
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-04 15:25:23
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Nariont said: »
right, and im saying maxed nyame will cover all those slots and not just the feet, can drop 1 of the rings for metamorph r15, ghastly+1 r15 might be better than pemphredo, not positive. o.sash obvious winner if you have that available if not acuidity belt r15 may be better than eschan, sibyl scarf in place of sanctity
Assuming B path Nyame Augments of course. I have A Path, so in the referenced set(mine) 5/5 Nyame(not B path) would be a dmg loss(although a huge macc gain, so could be better anyway vs really high level/resistant targets.)

I'll math out Metamorph +1, Sibyl Scarf, and Acuity Belt +1 in a bit. Scarf is a pretty obvious gain, and metamorph most likely is. I just didn't think of it. Acuity I'm less certain, but it's quite possible considering how much MAB is already in the set. Increases to base dmg are notable.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2022-05-04 15:26:16
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I think the answer is yes (for Nyame), but someone should examine Cohort vs. Nyame B, Cohort has +6 DEX, +7 INT, +40 matk, and +50-60 macc advantage. Does any of that compare to the +22% WSD advantage Nyame has? I don't know.

I'd also add, nariont added a few really good int items that probably beat some of the pieces in that set.
Sibyl Scarf (not in DB yet)
ghastly tathlum +1
acuity belt +1
metamorph ring +1
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By Nariont 2022-05-04 15:31:01
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lugra under night is also a consideration, not sure how 32 combined compares to 10 mab but id think it'd win out
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By Asura.Deathsightt 2022-05-04 15:32:46
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Here is what I am using now - R20-25 on all the nyame pieces. O sash over Acuity? Or? I will look into the Windy scarf.

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By Nariont 2022-05-04 15:34:13
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O.sash wins just about always unless you happen to get double weather or day + single weather then ele obi wins iirc
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-04 16:17:58
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God it's annoying doing this piecemeal between bits of work. Work needs to go away and let me do video game math.

Acuity+1[R15] looks to be a gain over Eschan Stone, at least in my set, with nothing else changed yet.

Only 25~65 dmg increase, but I have one for RDM anyway. The gains might also be higher on harder mobs. These gains are with already capped fINT vs a trash target, it should actually make a bigger difference on mobs where you aren't capped(and aren't floored).

It's also a decent macc gain.

Other stuff I'm going to math when I can..
Metamorph +1[R15]
Ghastly+1[R15]
Lugra+1[R15](Night)
Skrymir Cord

Sibyl scarf is just obviously a gain. +10 int, -10 macc, same MAB.

And just to torture myself, I'm going to compare 5/5 Nyame B to my set. -_-;
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By Nariont 2022-05-04 16:57:44
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Didn't mean to toss a bunch of work on the plate, was mainly running on the assumption that high values of mab/wsd would increase the value of int in other areas, especially in the high amounts given recently
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By Odin.Creaucent 2022-05-04 17:12:22
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I assume Malevolence vs Levante Dagger testing has already been done?
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By Nariont 2022-05-04 17:17:57
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The lack of mdmg, mab, and int really hurts it, even with all the excess of those stats now im not sure it can pull ahead still
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-04 21:11:30
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Ok, so. Firstly I went out to make sure my math was good.

My current Set:
ItemSet 333947
EDIT: I'm probably going to be updating the set this is pointing to shortly, so it'll stop matching the dmg values posted here. Adding a text version that won't change.
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	sets.WS["Aeolian Edge"] = {
		ammo="Pemphredo Tathlum",
		head=empty,
		neck="Sanctity Necklace",
		ear1="Friomisi Earring",
		ear2="Moonshade Earring",
		body={ name="Cohort Cloak +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
		hands={ name="Carmine Fin. Ga. +1", augments={'Rng.Atk.+20','"Mag.Atk.Bns."+12','"Store TP"+6',}},
		ring1="Acumen Ring",
		ring2="Shiva Ring +1",
		back={ name="Rudianos's Mantle", augments={'INT+20','Mag. Acc+20 /Mag. Dmg.+20','INT+10','Weapon skill damage +10%','Chance of successful block +5',}},
		waist="Eschan Stone",
		legs={ name="Augury Cuisses +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
		feet="Nyame Sollerets", --A path.
	}

Calculated a 10022 AE on PLD/RDM(ML30), vs lvl 100 trash mobs in Ceizak. No buffs/food. Tested and calc'd for 3k TP, since when I cleave, I'm usually getting 3k almost as fast as I can ws. Used Novio in place of Moonshade.

So, live test.

Excellent.

So I went through a bunch of single item changes and calc'd dmg. Except Nyame where I did 5/5 NOT B path, then 5/5 B path[R25]. Now I can be depressed about how my Alt's PLD has a better AE than I do.
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Base: 10022
Levante: 9680
Acuity+1[R15]: 10003~10045(Max unity rank)
Ghastly+1[R15]: 10046~10088(Max unity rank)
Sibyl Scarf: 10106
Metamorph +1[R15]: 10032(Replaced Acumen) / 10013(Replaced Shiva +1)
Shiva+1: 10060(Replaced Acumen)
Fenrir Ring +1: 10022 (Replaced Acumen) / 9960(Replaced Shiva +1)
Skrymir Cord: 10116
Skrymir Cord+1: 10188
Lugra+1[R15](Night): 10058(Replaced Friomisi) / 10129(Replaced Novio)
Lugra+1[R15](Day): 9914(Replaced Friomisi) / 9984(Replaced Novio))
Sulevia feet+2: 9640
Nyame 5/5[NOT B]: 8456
Nyame 5/5[B R25): 12531
Orpheus(max): 11524

Epaminondas's: 10355(Replaced Acumen) / 10315(Replaced Shiva +1)
Karieyh+1: 10265(Replaced Acumen) / 10225(Replaced Shiva +1)

Levante. Nope. It's a good dagger, but even a Malevolence with no MAB or INT aug is still slightly better.
non-aug Malev: 9706
Levante: 9680
Note that my Base AE value here is with a maxed Malevolence.

I think I must have made some sort of mistake on my initial Acuity+1 calcs. Cause now I'm getting it as only better than Eschan stone in the higher unity ranks. Still a good swap for macc too though.

Skrymir Cord(even NQ), not surprisingly smashes Acuity. But well, $_$;

Metamorph is good, and has excellent macc but I'd actually be better off getting another Shiva+1. Using it till I pick up another Shiva.

Night time R15 Lugra is good in either slot, but is better replacing Novio(3k TP so no moonshade.) Day time, is.. not.

And I just felt like retesting Sulevia feet as like, damn near the only WSD PLD gets outside of augment stuff. It sucks of course.

Non-B path Nyame is... painful. But so good defensively. Crawlers Nest[S] Cleave has a lot of status effects and non -physical TP moves... May be worth the offensive loss for survival and avoiding debuffs.
B path R25 Nyame is , not at all surprisingly, fantastic. Best dmg, Excellent macc, and awesome defensively. Eff you SE for making me pick just one augment path.

And Orpheus at minimum distance is as ridiculous as usual. And as expensive. -_-;

Oh, I totally forgot about the WSD rings. Yes they're both better.

Also about Nyame head/body vs Cohort. Going from Cohort to R25 B Nyame head and body goes 10022 -> 10791

Anyway to sum up the best stuff
Ghastly+1[r15]
Sibyl Scarf
Epaminondas > Karieyh+1 > Shiva ring+1 x2 > Metamorph
Lugra+1[R15] at night, but not day.
Orpheus > Skrymir Cord+1>NQ>Acuity, sometimes. Not getting into Obi VS Orpheus there.
And obviously, Nyame 5/5 R25 B path.

Can anyone think of any other competitive options?
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-05-04 21:28:47
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What about Thrud Earring or Sroda Tathlum?
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-04 21:40:56
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Asura.Geriond said: »
What about Thrud Earring or Sroda Tathlum?
PLD can't wear Sroda. But I can check thrud after Ody
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2022-05-04 21:52:03
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can you do 3/5 Nyame B + Cohort Cloak +1?
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-05-04 21:54:57
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There's also R15 Augury legs to replace non-B Nyame if going for damage over defense.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-04 23:06:38
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Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
can you do 3/5 Nyame B + Cohort Cloak +1?
12137. Vs 5/5's 12531.

Asura.Geriond said: »
There's also R15 Augury legs to replace non-B Nyame if going for damage over defense.
Those are in the base set I was using. But I suppose I hadn't clearly established that in the main post. Added set to post.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-04 23:50:49
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Asura.Geriond said: »
What about Thrud Earring or Sroda Tathlum?
And I managed to completely forget about Thrud, again.

When replacing Friomisi: 10055
When Replacing Novio: 10128

So, yeah. That's a gain. Ugh, Lua rules for that are gonna be annoying.
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By Nariont 2022-05-05 02:00:31
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Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Can anyone think of any other competitive options?

Only path C nyame but thats just as rare a circumstance as some silly person picking path A :p really does suck you can't atleast switch paths for a fee.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-05-05 06:33:03
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Just keep in mind that the best combined set might not be the set with all the pieces that were an improvement when swapped out individually.
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By whereistooki 2022-05-06 04:53:12
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Hello
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-05-06 05:17:24
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There are equipsets in vanilla FFXI that you can be using.
50% for damage reductions and I want to say the same on the emnity gear cap but I'm not sure on if SE uncapped that or not.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2022-05-06 05:18:01
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The gear enmity caps are -50 and +200.
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By whereistooki 2022-05-06 09:02:43
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