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One job masters that have everything for every situation. They literally have the Kitchen Sink.

Is that a challenge?

I just focus on 3 jobs at the moment, and never have any free inventory space. (maybe 5 slots open max at any point in time)
sch, blu, bst
Sch has MB set, MB MP return set, nuking set, enfeebling set, cure set, regen set.
Bst has ready set, physical set, magical set, idle set.
Blu has magical set, physical spell set, TP set, ws sets, idle set. (Thank you SE for separating BLU & SCH nuking sets .. so now now they take twice the inv space...).
I'm sure I'm forgetting another 5-6 sets like -DT sets for each job etc.
Also carrying around pop items for the various NMs - thats around 40 slots.
The new space is welcomed.

Forget the kitchen sink, some people bring the whole kitchen!

I have one of those! And I get nothing but Pea Soup from it. :S

Yes, you can cast Paralyna before Sacrifice. That's not the problem with Sac. The real problem is when you pick up multiple eraseables along with potent Slow.

Erase is what's screwed up, really. There needs to be an Erase 2 that removes 2-3 erasables. That should have been WHM's JP gift, with a 2nd gift that gives a spell to cure Amnesia. As it is, WHM's gifts are garbage.


That's the good side, but on the other hand XI has become extremely boring, as someone who played both white mage and melee, depending on content. Now I can't melee, and on white mage you had better have some coffee, because healing just a tank in many fights gets boring. WHM is mainly a trust job now. Gear requirements are basically nil, skill requirements are low, and it's not like there's a plethora of workable healing classes to switch to like in other MMOs.

If you put in the work to get all those JPs and hunt all those spells and gather all types of gear for nuking, ws, tp, macc, healing, acc, dual wield, pdt, mdt, blu skill, and skill up all relevant skills for blu and set up a gearswap lua for blu then yes...with good knowledge of your capabilities you are and should be a force to be reckoned with. It makes some content doable solo with trusts but it does not make the game too easy. Talk to any experienced blu in "The beast within" forum and there are plenty of fights that even Tizona 119 Magus Master Top tier armored blus can't pass with trusts.


You don't sound very credible right now if you can't even remember the names of the 135 UNMs, let alone claiming you can beast them solo with squishy trusts on blu in lolskirmish gear in 2-5 mins.

Anyone that is serious about sch.

Some 125 unm are soloable in 2-5 min with trusts though, may be a typo if not trolling? 135 and 125 aren't too different when you type!

Yep no more "PS2 limitations" on system memory so they can start adding this kind of stuff.


Dude this happened to me too, but I didn't have to even engage, it just looked me and died from sheer terror.

hello pls panacea exists. either the whm or dd can use it, there is literally alternatives to everything.

damage taken/debuffs received isn't even the issues with DDs, it's dispels on songs/rolls and the acc requirements being way too high right now. vex, attune, wilt, and to a lesser extent barrier are all really powerful. yagrush WHM paired with divine caress and vex/attune almost never has to cast ***

Yeah I agree, dispel and acc is a bigger issue.

Those are really really REALLY expensive to make. 200K a stack on Asura, that's more expensive then food.

Each synth requires a Philosopher's Stone and makes 4 panaceas. One stack of Philosopher's Stone costs 240K and they are hard to get in large quantities, typically as singles in voidwatch chests and so forth. I keep a stack on me at all times for emergencies, but asking people to use them as a primary source of status removal is beyond stupid. Remedies and Holy waters are pretty cheap to get so those are understandable, but not Panaceas.


On the topic of WHM, I've been saying for years they need Erase II and Erasega. Erase II should remove a number of status debuffs based on healing skill. Yagrush should be updated so that it's aoe effect has the possibility of removing multiple-status debuffs and restoring HP based on the number of debuffs removed. Also lower Curaga III to level 49 and make the LA effect on Regen work from /SCH but at the sub level of potency.

That should end game healing such that multiple jobs can do the job but in different ways. RDM gets Haste II and Refresh III but would have to choose between /SCH and /WHM and stuck with sub level status removals. SCH keeps it's powerful regen spells but has to choose between /WHM and /RDM while WHM keeps it's godly AoE healing and gets ST and MT multiple level status removals. RDM, SCH and WHM could main heal but with different strategic concerns. Also give RDM Dispel II, which can remove multiple buffs based on enfeebling magic skill.

Panacea are sold by the Curio Moogle for 20k each

You realize that puts it OVER the AH price right...

From moogle = 240K / stack
AH = 200K / stack.

That's why I mentioned how annoying it was to get P. stones

Yes. Stop complaining.

Wow you troll a lot. Looked over your history and it's just you pissing on everyone else whenever possible.

*Click* problem solved.

As an Alchemist I hoard philosopher stones, so it isn't that much of a problem for me, but it isn't a profitable synth. Not to mention that since no one does melee anymore there isn't demand so would probably just lose money on AH fees before having them mailed back to me.

Yes, clearly I'm trolling. People are whining about debuffs being problematic so I give a reasonable solution and suddenly I'm trolling. I never once anywhere said SPAM PANACEA ALL THE TIME SUCK LESS LOL XD LMAO????? If you're really crippled by *THAT* many debuffs there is nothing stopping you from occasionally popping a panacea to help your WHM. This has been a concept since before-Legion. 240k for a stack is not a whole lot in a world of 100k sparks cap, if you don't want to put in the effort to make your life easier then I guess you don't deserve to progress as a melee? I don't know what the *** you want me to tell you

I do too, got stacks of em on my mule for when I need to make my own. On Asura it's a profitable synth but Panacea's just don't sell fast enough quantity to justify making then in bulk. Instead I'll just synth up a stack or two at a time on my mule and send it over to my main whenever I start running low. And it's because I keep my eyes peeled for those stones that I know how annoying they can get in large enough quantities to use as a primary form of erase. One panacea will remove all erasable status ailments, it's like a remedy of sorts, they are just too damn expensive to be using on fights where the boss's spam aoe debuffs. Useful for emergencies but that's it.

240k isn't really expensive for what it provides. I keep a stack on me at all times like my other meds.

If your a melee hell even a mage and dont have multiple types of food depending on need acc, att, mp, int etc or have echos, holy water, remedy, eye drops, antidote, panacea etc on you at all times your prolly not a player people strive to do events with. I suck but i can atleast not be an mp sink for the healer constantly whining silenced or paralyzed etc

20K per use. How many times per fight do you need Erase? Would you be pissing away 20K every time on every fight? How many fights per day would you be using them? How many days per week are you doing those fights? Tabulated over time, what would the maintenance cost be and what else could be done with that gil? You are talking burning a few stacks per session of NMs with how much they do AoEs (assuming melee DD). Or the healer can just cast a cheap low level spell, costing them zero gil in the process. Echo's, remedies, holy waters, and antidotes are all cheap to mass produce and cost effective to spam. Panaceas are an order of magnitude more expensive and would need to be spammed just as often.

So yes it's absurdly expensive to rely on as a primary source of erase. It's fine for emergencies, though to be honest if the DD need to use them the fight is probably already lost. For mages they are invaluable, getting hit with a random set of status ailments due to error in positioning can cause a wipe, so pop a panacea and try not to make the same mistake again.

Read what I wrote.

All that stuff is fine except Pancea's. As you are a crafter who knows how to eyeball for profit, you should know what a few million or more per week thrown in the Ocean can mean in the long run.

Hell using the aforementioned logic just drop the healer entirely, waste of a slot, and just have people use Potions and Elixirs to cure HP. Why even bring the healer if they aren't going to cast restorative magic. That is another slot for a BRD, COR or GEO who will actually use their magic.

*** me

Don't really need to panacea every little debuff, just things like Impact or Slow. And if you're BLU or DNC, you've got a handy self-erase on hand for single debuffs.

Naw bro he's right I beat 135 UNMs and Reisen HELM mobs all the time on my lv84 DRK with relic armor and 5x DD trusts (OK I use a BRD sometime too). Takes like 9min cause I still need to finish capping my axe skill LOL so lazy. This gaem too easy mode.

They are arguing to use it for every erasable debuff.

Mostly it was the troll doing his thing and screwing with people about how overloaded the status debuffs are right now. High end content puts out insane numbers of aoe status debuffs, over three to five at a time. He decided to chime in with "but you have panaceas!" much the same way people say "you have echo's / remedies", but without realizing the astronomical cost of using them. After I pointed that out he had to stick with his line and so doubled down as though he's willing to blow millions per day to avoid having the WHM cast erase. Akildas jumped in without reading the context and thought it was about people not bringing appropriate meds with them.

Essentially they are all arguing that WHM's shouldn't cast -na's (remedy) or erase (panacea) because there are meds for that. Which I would answer at that point to just dump the WHM entirely and use meds or a trust healer. After all if the WHM is only going to cast Cure then why even bother with a real one who will want a share of drops and raise's the NM's HP.

Status ailment removal spells exist and should be utilized. Medicines are for emergency use when the healer is overloaded during a critical moment of the fight, this is the reason I keep a pharmacy on me at all times. Using meds lowers your DPS, which is the entire job of melee in the first place. Sometimes it can't be helped, but asking the melee's to nerf themselves so that the healer doesn't have to do their job, that's just dumb on a whole new level. Slow is one of the most damage crippling and over used debuff in the game, it needs to be removed ASAP and haste reapplied. Any healer that doesn't use status removals should be dropped immediately and replaced with a more competent one.

ok