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You 100% do not need Omen drops or pricey gear to succeed on WAR zergs. Ambuscade gear some reforged and Moonshade earring should be enough if you have good support.

We aren't talking about 'succeeding on WAR zergs'. We're talking about zerging Schah before mechanics start. I have yet to see anyone successfully do that with any gear, you tried to suggest it could be done with less gear acquisition than SMN:


If you can show me WARs without omen gear or HQ abjs zerging Schah, I'd be happy to reconsider my position. Frankly, I'd be interested to see any WARs zerging it before adds.

General WAR zergs, sure. But we're talking about Schah that has a strict time limit. I'm not closed to the idea that they CAN'T do it, but I also don't think it's as easy as you say it is. Like I said, I'll eat my sock if you can find me a pickup group killing it with as much ease as a SMN pickup group.

Most people are forgetting a very important detail. Blood pact are not only ridiculously strong and safe to use but also do not feed TP. The likelyhood of Banneret Charge + any AoE or Enthrall or Malign Invocation (RUN 1h can probably prevent Amnesia tho) is incredibly high before a zerg kill is completed and if you are attempting to kill in 90 seconds these is no recovery from one of those going off.

No it won't because people still have a choice. Stop making it seem like everyone will steal your thunder just because they are killing content a different way that what YOU think is best...

Groups that want to do it any other way than the SMN AC Method will still gain great respect and probably have great enjoyment in their own way..

Your ideals of how a game should be beaten is your own. Stop making it seem like a crisis. SE doesn't agree with you until they Nerf it.. it didn't impact them that much or they would of nerfed it.

Even JP were expressing concern on official forums for a long time until they even gave up. SE would of responded to the JP if they thought it wasn't aligned with their ideals for their game..

We all know how fast they respond to JPs concerns vs NA..

Yet here we still are. No Nerf.

Either they do it this next update or never..

And we can tell who's abusing SMN by the degree of touchiness surrounding it.

It's like you people literally play a different game.

ITT: "it's not broken, square would've fixed it by now"

SE: "geo was broken for 2 entire years, we finally adjusted it"

Did you already forget that just happened a couple months ago? Geo was known to be broken and left unadjusted for 2 entire years.

I don't think they actually noticed whatever calculation issue they had (I think those spells were using +% rather than a flat value?) until a couple months before they fixed it.

We are only on year 1 then. 1 more year left!

Lol..

And how insanely stupid is it to leave that unchecked for two whole years? That's impossible to believe.

Whoa there I hate how it's cheesing things as much as anyone but all content is a bit much. For single hard fights sure maybe... though all is probably a stretch. But you don't zerg progressive content like Omen and how D Dynamis most likely will be.

That's when they knew what the problem was.

People had been reporting that that the differences between geo spells and similar effects other spells other jobs had were much greater than what we had been told since they released the numbers quite a while before that

I abuse summoner every day and I'm more than fine with a nerf, as long as they don't MNK us. It won't be able to steamroll stuff anymore, but Summoner still has plenty of useful tools even if it lost conduit. It wouldn't be the first time they butchered something about the job (Hi Odin!). People need to stop being so negative and explore options other than pressing 1 button every 20 seconds.

SMN Zerg is definitely OP as hell. But at this point, I really don't see why it matters. In order for something to bother me, it has to hinder my enjoyment of the game, and this just doesn't. The game is 15 years old. It's not a competitive game, there are no more firsts or server races for things.

I have recent mele wins of Vini, Zerde, and Schah. People can play the game however they want. If someone on my server is rocking every Aeonic who doesn't have the gear or skillset to beat some of the hardest NM without it, so what? How does that impact me or my gameplay experience? I'm honestly just happy they are paying a subscription fee.

I'm aware, but that's not really the point.

I think it'd be good enough if they just went forward making content that's not suited to the minimal effort an AC burn takes. It's not too difficult ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh I thought you were responding to Eiryl and that was kind of his point

The point is SMN is overpowered by a series of poorly considered buffs to the job that were considered only in isolation, while GEO was overpowered due to actual incorrect coding and once they realized that, it was (probably, I mean I'm not a dev so I can't know for sure) fixed relatively quickly.

Ah see that's where I disagree. They knew there was a problem for a long time.

They finally got around to figuring out the exactly what was going wrong recently but once they did they yeah fixed it fast.

And that's kind of on par with them. They will know of and even acknowledge problems long before they get to figuring out what exactly is causing it (assuming they ever actually do lol). Additional effects accuracy was probably the best/worst example of this.

But yeah I agree was a different method of broken. Regardless I agree with Eiryl's idea that SE's lack of action means nothing as far an indication of whether something is broken. Just look at the 21 pages of unresolved accepted bugs going back to 2013 lol. Or the automaton ws bug the jp side reported several months back... a few times. Got asked for more and was provided written instructions on how to cause it AND a video showing.... and last I saw they just deleted all posts related to it and asked them not to be posted again lol.

but they fixed the beetle foot, right?

Meh you guys think that SE is a US charity or something?

The process probably goes something like this:

Engineer/Employee: Boss, we have this problem.

Boss: *Looks* Let me think about it.

-- a few days later --

Boss: What are your opinions?

Employee1: *pretends to think*

Employee2: Maybe we can do this?

Boss: Engineer-kun, what do you think?

Engineer: Maybe we can try this?

Boss: How long would that take?

Engineer: If you give me a 2-man team then I can get it done by next update.

Boss: Yeah, let's hold that for a while and see how things turn out. But put that on the schedule when you have free time. Now, you guys go work on that FFXIV problem. Now, I have a meeting with the mobile division.

Everyone: Yes boss.

-- a few months later --

Engineer: Boss, I got it done during coffee time. Should work. I think.

Boss: Alright, put it on next update as long as it doesn't break anything.

You definitely hit the nail on this Sidra, 100% agree with your stance!

This argument by itself propagates the notion of "Mediocre"[Merc Groups 2-3 SMN RUN COR GEO] being competitive with Seasoned [12-18] "packeted" mules [1-3 Man-show each controlling 6 or more!] and NOT with actual alliance full of real players!

When "some of-not all" these decked out "players" get threatened by their source of infinite Gil they start pulling the moral high ground and request Nerfs claiming that this is breaking the game when "they" themselves use every possible way to gain their clears/mercs with third party programs and/or possible hacks.

Dedicated players will actually invest every possible gear set for their favorite jobs regardless of who is around them. and will definitely skip AC burns if they actually want to enjoy the game.

The days of [Who farmed more Weapons are over] and this argument is laughable to be honest, most people know exactly why some are calling for nerf.

Be that as it may, this won't stop anyone from getting all REMA for their favorite jobs just because some "mediocre player" who doesn't even have gear for their Aeonic -and probably will never use it- got it!
Heck, I don't even mind carrying "Mediocre Players" to get Aeonics with our runs because they will never affect my subscription/immersing FFXI experience.

AC/AF is broken thats 1000% accurate, yet the incentives of outrage holds so many nuances and some of these nuances are heavily related to [Merc Gil Groups] and sadly they are currently the loudest to call for nerf.

Disclaimer: so many of the presented arguments are valid and should be considered when discussing this rationally yet remember that some people do have a narrative to push here simply because it affects them directly.

I just want to make this clear, don't pursue this post.

I do not merc. I will -never- make a nirvana. And I have never used a smn group to clear any content. And never will.

Just want to put that out there. be angry if you want to. I say nerf SMN because it's imbalanced, (obviously), not for any personal gain. I was one of the original people for the GEO "fix" I'm pro "immanence death is broken as ***" and BLU should still be nerfed too for various reasons.

On topic; When garbage players have unearned shinies, it DOES affect you. Whether you believe it or not. You can choose to pretend it doesn't, but don't try to claim it doesn't.

The sheer OP state of SMN zerging is one of the reasons I unsubbed, not the only one, but it was one of them.

Just not much point doing content when people can just mash one button and win.

I used to mash one button until Dynamis Lord was dead (stun). was this wrong?
I used to pop perfect defense and watch NMs quickly die. this was also wrong?
I used to pop Modus Veritas at the same time as several other scholars and watch something die <20s later. this was definitely wrong, and yet so right.

Some things were adjusted, modus veritas, while others became obsolete as level caps increased.

not saying smn shouldn't get fixed.

Why hate on BLUs still? I like my BLU. I've invested in sets...crappy ones, but meh. I'm not the CDC zerggy type, I love messing around trying to figure out multi-step WSs. I learned to tank pretty effectively in CP parties. I'm still trying to deck out my counter set..orcish counterstance is awesome. BLU is annoyingly strong when it gets pushed past the CDC rage, but meh. I don't want to get nerfed because I enjoy it too much. :(

Ruau you must come back I misses you! And our lowman 'letstrytosmashthisNMintheface" strategies.

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