That's not only false, it's not even the correct use of the term OP.
Your just pissing in the wind cause you got left out of something. Come back when you have an actual argument.
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It's the exact definition of over powered. Or let's call it broken, to avoid the *** semantics.
There's over powered at the top, it's not.
There's over powered at the bottom, it is.
And this is straight up ***, i laughed for real. Yes, they COULD, do they ever, they sure as *** don't.
I partied with a DRK last night that was excited to be augmenting his Macbain. Yeah, he'll do real well against BLUs.
There's over powered at the top, it's not.
There's over powered at the bottom, it is.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
It doesn't actually perform that well. A walmart DRK could do more DPS than a walmart BLU for this month's ambuscade.
And this is straight up ***, i laughed for real. Yes, they COULD, do they ever, they sure as *** don't.
I partied with a DRK last night that was excited to be augmenting his Macbain. Yeah, he'll do real well against BLUs.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
It doesn't actually perform that well. A walmart DRK could do more DPS than a walmart BLU for this month's ambuscade.
And this is straight up ***, i laughed for real.
Yeah....my half respectful (by PUG terms, I'd never dream of taking her out to an actual event) Anguta DRK doesn't stand a chance against an NQ BLU dw'ing coladas. Standard Argosy, good Valorous/Odyssean augments, important accessories, 2 JSE capes so far, and its not even worth trying until I start HQ'ing this ***.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's the exact definition of over powered. Or let's call it broken, to avoid the *** semantics.
There's over powered at the top, it's not.
There's over powered at the bottom, it is.
And this is straight up ***, i laughed for real. Yes, they COULD, do they ever, they sure as *** don't.
There's over powered at the top, it's not.
There's over powered at the bottom, it is.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
It doesn't actually perform that well. A walmart DRK could do more DPS than a walmart BLU for this month's ambuscade.
And this is straight up ***, i laughed for real. Yes, they COULD, do they ever, they sure as *** don't.
DRK has smite, last resort, and resolution. There's no reason why it can't perform well. This mentality is part of the problem. You're so skeptical about something you probably haven't even tried. You jumped right on the anti BLU bandwagon with everybody else. It seems like you have no frame of reference. You have the same attitude as a bandwagon BLU you're just on the other side of the fence.
You're literally playing from a point of view that doesn't see how the other side plays.
Join some lol shouts and see how the game is really played.
Oh, that's right you probably literally can't with a population of 300 on fenrir.
It's easy to make statements about this and that when you don't see how the majority play.
Some people get it and some, well it clearly goes right over your heads.
Join some lol shouts and see how the game is really played.
Oh, that's right you probably literally can't with a population of 300 on fenrir.
It's easy to make statements about this and that when you don't see how the majority play.
Some people get it and some, well it clearly goes right over your heads.
I always thought envy was associated with the color green. Turns out it's BLU.
I'll show myself out.
I'll show myself out.
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Smite, Last Resort, and Resolution aren't even to keep up with a random BLU with CdC without good gear to back it up.
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
You're literally playing from a point of view that doesn't see how the other side plays.
Join some lol shouts and see how the game is really played.
Oh, that's right you probably literally can't with a population of 300 on fenrir.
It's easy to make statements about this and that when you don't see how the majority play.
Join some lol shouts and see how the game is really played.
Oh, that's right you probably literally can't with a population of 300 on fenrir.
It's easy to make statements about this and that when you don't see how the majority play.
I've been doing shout PUG almost every day since I came to Asura (where almost all of my testing was done.) Nice straw man argument though.
Odin.Geriond said: »
Smite, Last Resort, and Resolution aren't even to keep up with a random BLU with CdC without good gear to back it up.
Why? What's so magical about CDC? It has crits? My RUN Reso does more damage than my BLU CDC and RUN doesn't have remotely comparable gear to DRK (although you do have Lionheart.)
If you're doing shouts on asura you're not doing "shouts" you're doing pre assumbled parties that want one DD.
No, join an actual shout.
Start a shout in fact and only take random nonrema drk war sam and one blu. It's hilarious how big the gap is. The sam will waste half the time trying to move to the front and wiff fudo. The drk will souleater then get one shot the war will be wearing tank gear and the half afk blu will spam cdc and beat all 3 combined.
No, join an actual shout.
Start a shout in fact and only take random nonrema drk war sam and one blu. It's hilarious how big the gap is. The sam will waste half the time trying to move to the front and wiff fudo. The drk will souleater then get one shot the war will be wearing tank gear and the half afk blu will spam cdc and beat all 3 combined.
I told you, I have been joining shouts. I've done only 4 Ambuscade runs with my linkshell, the rest are shouts. Some of those shout groups couldn't even handle difficult.
BLU is actually terrible in Ambuscade this month without Tizona, and even then it's still pretty bleh.
also
JOIN SOME SHOUTS
> I joined shouts
YOURE NOT REALLY JOINING SHOUTS
also
JOIN SOME SHOUTS
> I joined shouts
YOURE NOT REALLY JOINING SHOUTS
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Next time a "returning to the game, what server should I move to?" thread pops up, I'm linking them here as a warning.
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Theres a huge difference between a group with 5 needing one person "shouting"
and an actual full shout group. Stop being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You can't see the forest for the trees.
and an actual full shout group. Stop being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You can't see the forest for the trees.
How the *** do you think shout groups are formed? They all magically start at 5 members needing one DD? You're on some dumb ***, bruh.
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Theres a huge difference between a group with 5 needing one person "shouting"
and an actual full shout group. Stop being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
and an actual full shout group. Stop being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
These groups were PUGS made completely from shouting. I don't know what else to say at this point. It's clear that even when presented with unarguable information, if it's contrary to what you believe, you'll still reject it.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Odin.Geriond said: »
Smite, Last Resort, and Resolution aren't even to keep up with a random BLU with CdC without good gear to back it up.
Why? What's so magical about CDC? It has crits? My RUN Reso does more damage than my BLU CDC and RUN doesn't have remotely comparable gear to DRK (although you do have Lionheart.)
Fenrir.Caiir said: »
How the *** do you think shout groups are formed? They all magically start at 5 members needing one DD? You're on some dumb ***, bruh.
that's exactly how more than half the shouts go. shell with not 6;
First shout @ 5 want blu
That's -not- a shout.
Random NQ 5/5 meghanda thf; @ 1/6 everyone welcome come ambuscade.
That's a shout.
And these kind of scenarios SPECIFICALLY are where BLU is broken.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
I'd say it is a combination of all the things BLU can do well and easily in addition to all the tired gimmicks spewed out from the Devs to make it most viable.
For example, Snaps, try that Ambu with NIN + NIN and no BLU at all and get back to us.
For example, Snaps, try that Ambu with NIN + NIN and no BLU at all and get back to us.
I already did it with DNC NIN NIN for DPS (RDM for Sleep + Haste II) and it was the easiest of any of the runs. Not having to worry about MP or getting 1 shot by the Qirins made it pretty easy.
Coming back to this, because I feel my point is being side-stepped (DNC pun unintended)... BLUs don't need DNC to cap haste. The BLU set-up doesn't require DNC at all. The NIN + NIN does. So even if your NIN comes out ahead of a BLU... That BLU helped it get there.
Wait waaaaaaaaaaaaat?
It's one thing saying "Blu is not the absolute best this month".
It's another thing saying "Blu is actually terrible".
It's not?
BLU always shine in situations where you have few buffs. Their self buffs and their job traits (accuracy yo!) grant them an edge over other jobs in low men situations.
The fact CDC and Savage Blade are such awesome WSs just adds more to the table.
I mean I've enjoyed a lot this month as ddRDM, as DNC, as NIN and I've seen really nice WARs, there's a lot of freedom allowed when you do (D) this month, but saying that BLU sucks sounds like a huge exageration :o
I'm not getting the Tizona thing either. Sure Tizona helps a lot against MP steal but then again you have Refresh 3 if a RDM is present or you can selfrefresh yourself if you equip the right spells.
Fenrir.Caiir said: »
BLU is actually terrible in Ambuscade this month without Tizona, and even then it's still pretty bleh.
It's one thing saying "Blu is not the absolute best this month".
It's another thing saying "Blu is actually terrible".
It's not?
BLU always shine in situations where you have few buffs. Their self buffs and their job traits (accuracy yo!) grant them an edge over other jobs in low men situations.
The fact CDC and Savage Blade are such awesome WSs just adds more to the table.
I mean I've enjoyed a lot this month as ddRDM, as DNC, as NIN and I've seen really nice WARs, there's a lot of freedom allowed when you do (D) this month, but saying that BLU sucks sounds like a huge exageration :o
I'm not getting the Tizona thing either. Sure Tizona helps a lot against MP steal but then again you have Refresh 3 if a RDM is present or you can selfrefresh yourself if you equip the right spells.
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
I'd say it is a combination of all the things BLU can do well and easily in addition to all the tired gimmicks spewed out from the Devs to make it most viable.
For example, Snaps, try that Ambu with NIN + NIN and no BLU at all and get back to us.
For example, Snaps, try that Ambu with NIN + NIN and no BLU at all and get back to us.
I already did it with DNC NIN NIN for DPS (RDM for Sleep + Haste II) and it was the easiest of any of the runs. Not having to worry about MP or getting 1 shot by the Qirins made it pretty easy.
Coming back to this, because I feel my point is being side-stepped (DNC pun unintended)... BLUs don't need DNC to cap haste. The BLU set-up doesn't require DNC at all. The NIN + NIN does. So even if your NIN comes out ahead of a BLU... That BLU helped it get there.
I'm not sure what your point is; the DNC isn't some kind of wasted slot before considering Haste Samba.
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Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
I'd say it is a combination of all the things BLU can do well and easily in addition to all the tired gimmicks spewed out from the Devs to make it most viable.
For example, Snaps, try that Ambu with NIN + NIN and no BLU at all and get back to us.
For example, Snaps, try that Ambu with NIN + NIN and no BLU at all and get back to us.
I already did it with DNC NIN NIN for DPS (RDM for Sleep + Haste II) and it was the easiest of any of the runs. Not having to worry about MP or getting 1 shot by the Qirins made it pretty easy.
Coming back to this, because I feel my point is being side-stepped (DNC pun unintended)... BLUs don't need DNC to cap haste. The BLU set-up doesn't require DNC at all. The NIN + NIN does. So even if your NIN comes out ahead of a BLU... That BLU helped it get there.
The DNC setup did not require BLU at all.
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You guys are playing with better walmart BLUs than I am.
Most of the BLUs I meet in PUGs aren't attack speed capped, are incapable of staying alive, can't maintain a skillchain to save their lives, and get outparsed (badly) by other jobs.
I dunno if they are even smart enough to go online to find gearsets/spellsets. I suspect they got 1200, a Colada or two and called it a day.
I remember a BLU parsing 50% of a non-RMEA MNK off the street in that frog ambu month. I don't even know how that was possible.
Most of the BLUs I meet in PUGs aren't attack speed capped, are incapable of staying alive, can't maintain a skillchain to save their lives, and get outparsed (badly) by other jobs.
I dunno if they are even smart enough to go online to find gearsets/spellsets. I suspect they got 1200, a Colada or two and called it a day.
I remember a BLU parsing 50% of a non-RMEA MNK off the street in that frog ambu month. I don't even know how that was possible.
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My point goes back to some jobs can replace BLU. But BLU can replace any job.
These are all viable set-ups for capping haste, for this Ambuscade:
BLU + anything (including itself)
RDM + DNC
RDM and DNC also serve roles for lowering targets' evasion, but both are not mandatory for this purpose.
The last piece to consider is skill chain options. And CDC does very well with almost any job as well as with itself. Longer chains are better, but given the frequency of Perfect Dodges use, CDC > CDC as quickly as BLU can push them out does just fine.
These are all viable set-ups for capping haste, for this Ambuscade:
BLU + anything (including itself)
RDM + DNC
RDM and DNC also serve roles for lowering targets' evasion, but both are not mandatory for this purpose.
The last piece to consider is skill chain options. And CDC does very well with almost any job as well as with itself. Longer chains are better, but given the frequency of Perfect Dodges use, CDC > CDC as quickly as BLU can push them out does just fine.
Shiva.Arislan said: »
You guys are playing with better walmart BLUs than I am.
Most of the BLUs I meet in PUGs aren't attack speed capped, are incapable of staying alive, can't maintain a skillchain to save their lives, and get outparsed (badly) by other jobs.
I dunno if they are even smart enough to go online to find gearsets/spellsets. I suspect they got 1200, a Colada or two and called it a day.
I remember a BLU parsing 50% of a non-RMEA MNK off the street in that frog ambu month. I don't even know how that was possible.
Most of the BLUs I meet in PUGs aren't attack speed capped, are incapable of staying alive, can't maintain a skillchain to save their lives, and get outparsed (badly) by other jobs.
I dunno if they are even smart enough to go online to find gearsets/spellsets. I suspect they got 1200, a Colada or two and called it a day.
I remember a BLU parsing 50% of a non-RMEA MNK off the street in that frog ambu month. I don't even know how that was possible.
There's bad players on every job, on every server, some are just bad no matter what.
It's much easier to be "good" on blu than anything else. ie; higher floor. Half (more) of blu's output comes from simply equipping spells that are never cast. That anyone can learn. There is no gearcheck for job traits.
Fenrir.Caiir said: »
BLU is actually terrible in Ambuscade this month without Tizona, and even then it's still pretty bleh.
Blu x2 sam war whm rdm is optimal set up, as long as the rdm knows there ***and isn't lazy (or just terrible).
I have gone to ambuscade all this month on blu, i have 114k THM so far this month, and dont spend all day every day spamming ambuscade.
As of this post, i do not have tizona, and i do just fine on blu.
For me, an ideal set-up would be:
NIN, WHM, RDM, DNC, THF, THF
This also is viable:
Tank, Healer, Sleeper, Debuffer, DD, DD
Therefore, I know this could work:
BLU, BLU, RDM (maybe BLU, I'm not sure), BLU, BLU, BLU
NIN, WHM, RDM, DNC, THF, THF
This also is viable:
Tank, Healer, Sleeper, Debuffer, DD, DD
Therefore, I know this could work:
BLU, BLU, RDM (maybe BLU, I'm not sure), BLU, BLU, BLU
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Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
For me, an ideal set-up would be:
NIN, WHM, RDM, DNC, THF, THF
This also is viable:
Tank, Healer, Sleeper, Debuffer, DD, DD
Therefore, I know this could work:
BLU, BLU, RDM (maybe BLU, I'm not sure), BLU, BLU, BLU
NIN, WHM, RDM, DNC, THF, THF
This also is viable:
Tank, Healer, Sleeper, Debuffer, DD, DD
Therefore, I know this could work:
BLU, BLU, RDM (maybe BLU, I'm not sure), BLU, BLU, BLU
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I'm just trying to further illustrate my point, in case it hasn't been made clear.
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