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 Asura.Kingnobody
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-21 12:13:37
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
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it doesn't suggest someone is a worthless player. you infer things that no reasonable person would. it suggests that people would be jealous.
Thus the spam report button.

yea really. heaven forbid someone state what might actually happen (people would be jealous and complain). let's all live in la-la land where everyone holds hands, sings kumbaya, and everyone has what everyone else has, nothing more. there is no jealousy, there is no Have Nots. communistic drivel.
You looked at the "Looking to buy the runs" thread?
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-21 12:30:39
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
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it doesn't suggest someone is a worthless player. you infer things that no reasonable person would. it suggests that people would be jealous.
Thus the spam report button.

yea really. heaven forbid someone state what might actually happen (people would be jealous and complain). let's all live in la-la land where everyone holds hands, sings kumbaya, and everyone has what everyone else has, nothing more. there is no jealousy, there is no Have Nots. communistic drivel.
You looked at the "Looking to buy the runs" thread?

O geez. /headdesk.
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By Davorin 2015-03-21 13:04:29
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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It has been shown that people have been banned for criticizing devs and being toxic to the OF community.
It's also been shown that posters have been banned for people hitting the report button on every single one of those poster's post.

How is that being toxic to the OF community or criticizing devs? Remember, you can (and probably will) hit the report button on here, say I'm harassing you, and nothing will get done because the mods here actually have a brain, instead of the mods on the OF.

We're talking about two different things.

People do get banned because of being falsely reported, and that is really too bad. It shouldn't happen that way.
But it does. And it happens far more often than your excuses like "criticizing the devs and being toxic to the OF community"

Pretty dumb thing to say without a source. How would you know how much more often posters are banned for X than posters banned for Y?

Anyway, I have already agreed that the discipline on the official forums is inconsistent. That should not be an excuse for others to break OF rules though, even if we don't agree with the rules.
I have used my personal experience (as you could see in my example above) and other's experiences (as it has already been reported, here in this very topic in fact) as evidence of misuses of the report feature. There are only 2 or 3 people who say that they shouldn't have gotten banned but after they posted what they said, then it's pretty obvious that they should have.

Why are you being obtuse to the abuse?

It's like you're not even reading what you're replying to.

I agree that the misuse of the report button leads to bans. I said that in the very post you first quoted me.

Most everything I've said in this thread is talking about those 2 or 3 people (of about six stories) who probably deserved the ban they got. I'm directly quoting them. I don't understand why the context is being lost.
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By Cerberus.Mrkillface 2015-03-23 01:12:30
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Davorin said: »
Most everything I've said in this thread is talking about those 2 or 3 people (of about six stories) who probably deserved the ban they got. I'm directly quoting them. I don't understand why the context is being lost.

It's probably because the people you quoted didn't really do anything ban worthy other than annoy a couple "Report" happy posters by disagreeing with them.

If you were having this discussion with one of those people on the OF, you would likely be banned by now too.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-24 14:04:03
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Wrong thread, this is the bitching about the Official Forums thread, not the "Waa, I got LM'd" thread.
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By scruffmcgruff 2015-03-24 14:06:35
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whoops lol
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2015-03-24 14:36:51
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In retrospect being banned from the OF doesn't seem like such a bad thing. It's completely dead there. No one official has said anything useful since that press conference. Kind of wonder if the whole team got shifted elsewhere or fired?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-24 14:47:16
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Asura.Hoshiku said: »
In retrospect being banned from the OF doesn't seem like such a bad thing. It's completely dead there. No one official has said anything useful since that press conference. Kind of wonder if the whole team got shifted elsewhere or fired?

I don't know if it's still a thing, but being suspended or banned from the official forum used to mean suspended or banned in game as well. Or, maybe that was just a possibility if they wanted to be dickbags.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2015-03-24 14:52:10
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Hoshiku said: »
In retrospect being banned from the OF doesn't seem like such a bad thing. It's completely dead there. No one official has said anything useful since that press conference. Kind of wonder if the whole team got shifted elsewhere or fired?

I don't know if it's still a thing, but being suspended or banned from the official forum used to mean suspended or banned in game as well. Or, maybe that was just a possibility if they wanted to be dickbags.

Naw, that's not the case and never has been.
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By Asura.Ivlilla 2015-03-24 14:53:22
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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In retrospect being banned from the OF doesn't seem like such a bad thing. It's completely dead there. No one official has said anything useful since that press conference. Kind of wonder if the whole team got shifted elsewhere or fired?

I don't know if it's still a thing, but being suspended or banned from the official forum used to mean suspended or banned in game as well. Or, maybe that was just a possibility if they wanted to be dickbags.

I got a 3hourish and then a 10 day ban after the first one expired, and neither interrupted my ability to log in and play the game.

My 10 day ban expires in roughly 5 hours -- we'll see if it becomes permanent or not.

I will point out, though, that in the email I received about the ban, they refer specifically to the forums, and that any ban would be from the forums, not from the game. They were quite specific about it.

[edit]Beat to it.
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By Lye 2015-03-24 14:53:36
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Perhaps Jassik means the other way around.

Being suspended in game doesn't allow you to access the OF? Do you use your content ID to login to the OF?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-24 15:01:18
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
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In retrospect being banned from the OF doesn't seem like such a bad thing. It's completely dead there. No one official has said anything useful since that press conference. Kind of wonder if the whole team got shifted elsewhere or fired?

I don't know if it's still a thing, but being suspended or banned from the official forum used to mean suspended or banned in game as well. Or, maybe that was just a possibility if they wanted to be dickbags.

Naw, that's not the case and never has been.


Maybe I am reading too far into it, but this is from their "forum guidelines"

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In addition to the restrictions set out in the Square Enix Account Terms of Use, the following actions are not allowed while participating in the forums. With the intention of improving the experience of the game for all participants, if a post includes any of the following violations, we reserve the right to take action including, but not limited to, editing/deleting/locking/moving the content without notice, restricting your forum usage, temporarily suspending either your FINAL FANTASY XI Account or Square Enix Account, or permanently banning either your FINAL FANTASY XI Service Account or Square Enix Account.
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By Siren.Akson 2015-03-24 15:04:03
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Just got banned on OF for bad words I guess. It's only til next month. So like a 1 week ban. heh
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By Asura.Ivlilla 2015-03-24 22:06:35
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Just got unbanned. Thought about posting, decided there's no point. SE (or its lackeys -- same thing) made the message pretty clear.
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By anik 2015-03-24 22:47:25
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Milla said:
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Just got unbanned. Thought about posting, decided there's no point. SE (or its lackeys -- same thing) made the message pretty clear.

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In addition to the restrictions set out in the Square Enix Account Terms of Use, the following actions are not allowed while participating in the forums. With the intention of improving the experience of the game for all participants, if a post includes any of the following violations, we reserve the right to take action including, but not limited to, editing/deleting/locking/moving the content without notice, restricting your forum usage, temporarily suspending either your FINAL FANTASY XI Account or Square Enix Account, or permanently banning either your FINAL FANTASY XI Service Account or Square Enix Account.

I agree with you, it is clear.
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By Mookies 2015-04-07 03:43:18
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Just got a 10 day ban for pointing out Grekumah is a liar. He deleted my post too lol.

He claims amnesia and encumber were designed in such a way that they fall off quickly and that there were ways to avoid them even back when they were first implemented.

Anyone who plays this game knows that's a serious line of ***. Not only are those abilities virtually impossible to avoid aside from using geo, geo wasn't around when they were implemented. Ballistic kick or other targeted encumbered WS may be conal/single target, but amnesia/charm tends to be AoE. Not only that, the status effects are usually re-applied before they even wear off...

I just... don't even understand. Delete my post, okay... but give me a 10 day ban for proving you wrong? I didn't even say anything worth banning me for.

Hope that guy gets what's coming to him.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2015-04-07 06:39:10
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SE has always been borderline HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE in what they say, but only recently have they started banning the people that correct them.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-07 07:57:25
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Just got a 10 day ban for pointing out Grekumah is a liar. He deleted my post too lol.

He claims amnesia and encumber were designed in such a way that they fall off quickly and that there were ways to avoid them even back when they were first implemented.

Anyone who plays this game knows that's a serious line of ***. Not only are those abilities virtually impossible to avoid aside from using geo, geo wasn't around when they were implemented. Ballistic kick or other targeted encumbered WS may be conal/single target, but amnesia/charm tends to be AoE. Not only that, the status effects are usually re-applied before they even wear off...

I just... don't even understand. Delete my post, okay... but give me a 10 day ban for proving you wrong? I didn't even say anything worth banning me for.

Hope that guy gets what's coming to him.
I highly doubt Grekumah banned you. The community reps are the same on the FFXI and the FFXIV forums, the mods are different. It was likely an unseen mod.
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By Mookies 2015-04-07 08:15:25
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I just don't understand why I'd get banned for something innocuous unless it was him. Are they really that bad?
By volkom 2015-04-07 08:30:36
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there is a thread about it
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-07 08:45:39
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Mookies said: »
I just don't understand why I'd get banned for something innocuous unless it was him. Are they really that bad?
I've learned that if you say anything that could be considered criticism to or about SE staff, you will be banned. I was once banned for "I'm not sure Matsui understands what he's doing by making Relics obsolete." which was deleted and I was banned for a few days. You see, the XI staff has an odd tendency to not listen to their playerbase and what it wants, electing to instead silence their opinions.

If you have an opinion, FFXI Official Forums aren't for you, they are basically useless and would be better replaced with a Blog for the Dev team and Community Reps. Community Reps don't exactly ban people, their duties are more or less translators and hype men. They are about the same thing as our VIP users (like Byrth) in they have some moderation permissions, mainly for their own threads. The most I've seen Camate do, as the lead rep, was lock a thread but I believe it was his own.

Not to be that guy, but I'd also point out that neither the reps nor the mods on the XIV OFs do this. The reps are the same people while the mods are a different team.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2015-04-07 09:22:07
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Wasn't it negative opinions that led them to quickly squash the original official forums? I admit I don't know the whole story on that.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-07 09:24:07
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Wasn't it negative opinions that led them to quickly squash the original official forums? I admit I don't know the whole story on that.
I didn't know there were forums before the current OFs.
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By leo 2015-04-07 09:24:16
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
SE has always been borderline HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE in what they say, but only recently have they started banning the people that correct them.

They probably realized that when the player base figured out that the reps DON'T PLAY THE GAME they represent and don't know jack about it, the said players no longer take anything that is said seriously. lol

We know all too well, SE has a tendency of taking the least effort route first.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-04-07 09:26:17
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leo said: »
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
SE has always been borderline HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE in what they say, but only recently have they started banning the people that correct them.

They probably realized that when the player base figured out that the reps DON'T PLAY THE GAME they represent and don't know jack about it, the said players no longer take anything that is said seriously. lol

We know all too well, SE has a tendency of taking the least effort route first.
I think Rukkirii played the games but she moved out of California I think.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2015-04-07 09:33:46
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Anna Ruthven said: »
they have some moderation permissions, mainly for their own threads.

The amount of times that this would be useful in my blu thread!
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By Mookies 2015-04-07 09:36:04
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leo said: »
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
SE has always been borderline HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE in what they say, but only recently have they started banning the people that correct them.

They probably realized that when the player base figured out that the reps DON'T PLAY THE GAME they represent and don't know jack about it, the said players no longer take anything that is said seriously. lol

We know all too well, SE has a tendency of taking the least effort route first.

I can't help but say I get that feeling as well. I mean, most of the community rep's responses to suggestions or complaints are cookie cutter "This is why we can't do it" rebuttals that consist of either (paraphrasing) a) the system in question wasn't designed to take that into account b) we're working on the last update and won't be able to do anything about that. or c) It would be too difficult to add said thing to the game.

I mean, I suppose he's doing his job in giving the blind masses an answer they can walk away with. But anyone with half a brain can figure out he's bullshitting.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2015-04-07 19:46:18
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Wasn't it negative opinions that led them to quickly squash the original official forums? I admit I don't know the whole story on that.
I didn't know there were forums before the current OFs.

I thought they had them at launch, maybe only in Japan, and quickly decided that they were a bad idea because the internet isn't all unicorns and rainbows... or maybe that never happened...
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