Vaccine / Health Care Scam Exposed.

Then what are you waiting for? If we are all going to die anyway, why bother living? If our existence is for naught, then what's the point in continuing our existence?

Go ahead and check out of life. You already checked out of reality, you might as well finish the job.

I for one will live my life to the fullest. I know for a fact that vaccines are much safer than the diseases I'm immunized from, and if you don't agree with me, well, what's the point in living for you then?

What happened to the other 50 threads on this same topic?

They were checked out of existence.

We were vaccinated against them.

On the topic of Flu Vaccinations, they do fit the vaccination model. Not because of "reasons", but because of scientific methodology.

You, or someone you know is vaccinated against a particular strain of the virus. You become immune to that particular strain. Example, there was a previous strain of H1N1 40 years ago that most people are immune to. Then there is the 2009 H1N1 origin strain that is different than the one 40 years ago.

Influenza vaccinations mutate the fastest among viral family strains. This is a fact. A single strain can mutate as much as 9 times in a year. Vaccinating against a particular strain can also grant resistances to subsequent mutated strains in a limited capacity, due to the evolving nature of the virus, and that there are 3 primary types of Influenza. Once you are immunized against a particular strain, you can no longer contract that same virus strain - only mutated strains that have adapted to work around the current immunity (which takes several mutation efforts) due to the protein strands covering the virus.

There are forms of the influenza virus during the year that are unable to be contracted, due to the limited lifespan they have in the open air. Meaning that they have not mutated to a sufficient degree to maintain themselves during exposure outside of the human body. Generally, most people contract the virus through direct contact at first outbreak, and then later on in the "flu season" due to becoming an airborne pathogen.

The Vaccines developed often cover a spectrum of that year's strains, and expected strains, the same way Cowpox was used to fight stronger, more virulent strains of the same virus family. Even going back prior to influenza vaccinations, people became violently ill, and died in greater numbers than with the vaccine at the ready. Of course, the same thing is true with many vaccinations as well. But yes, vaccinating against say, H1N1 will offer some protection, but not total immunity, from a primary mutated strain that ends up being in the same type, by exposing the body to dead or weakened virus cells, so antibodies can be formed to combat known and similar strains in the future. But with anything that evolves, adapts, or mutates, they also gain immunity from said vaccinations, or find ways around protective barriers put in place. This can range from disguising itself more thoroughly, piggybacking, or simply becoming a stronger strain.

If Measles, smallpox, etc. had the same mutation speed as influenza, we'd be making a vaccine for that almost every year as well, and the same debate would be coming up. But we're never vaccinating the same strain of the flu twice. Because of the fact it's following the immunization and vaccination model.

Of course, Chaos, you're free to *try* and debate why, come up with reasons or logic as to why it doesn't, but so far, all you've said is "it doesn't because reasons" without any reasonable conclusion as to why.

You actually become resistant, not immune.

It's not out of context, it destroys your entire argument.


You're the one spouting a belief, based upon a misunderstanding of basic Biology.

I like when people spout nonsense then issue a challenge to be refuted with research while providing absolutely none of their own. It's like, why should anyone go through all the trouble of validating your *** with a legitimate response when we're all aware that the rebuttal will just be more made-up crap?

The only thing more dangerous, and more frightening than total knowledge, or not knowing, is knowing only a little.

Wouldn't ignoring facts be more dangerous than knowing only a little?

At least you were given the information and choose to blindly ignore it for your own agenda. That, imho, is the most dangerous thing in the world.

That's really the crux of the statement.

Knowing only a little spurs people to act with such limited information, as though it's all the information there is, or that it's the correct information.

On the other hand, not knowing enough has caused people to cease to act or fail to act.

It more or less comes down to phrasing, and perception.

That would explain why the trolls are posting, rather than providing any evidence. Also there are no talking points specifically for flu shots, they're just lumped in with real vaccinations.

Touche Ryanx.

Shh don't tell them that. Science is absolute authority !

It's the only religion with government funding !

Science is the only subject where if you don't agree with consensus you are shunned and don't get any funding !

So when I propose global warming is a hoax my funding dries up !

The key is to get everyone to agree so we can research it. Then ask for more money for research. Always research never find answers !

Well the type of people that flock to Science are the d bags you don't want to know.

It's not that science has taught us to question everything - that's philosophy.

Science teaches us to ask the right questions at the right times. While the latter part I would agree with, I should also point out that most physicians generally encourage people to talk to their doctors, mostly about medical history, and to see if certain vaccines are safe for them, or if other options are viable.

Hence my previous post, although wording it differently might give a new perspective: A little bit of research goes a long way. Just not always the right way. Knowing what questions to ask, and knowing where to find the answers are two things that should never be given up for personal views.

What questions to ask. Age sex location being the top priority.

Does it make me feel older than I portray myself to be if the first thing that comes to mind is ICQ?

I remember ICQ days. And yes I feel old.

There's also the issue that the right question, may not have an answer, much less an answer we are ready, willing, and able to understand.

Who wants to inform Chaos that his own link contains evidence on the efficacy of flu shots? I guess I will.

Chaos, your own link contains evidence on the efficacy of flu shots. Try reading to the end sometime.

The only Netwon I enjoy is Fig Newton !

That's the end of the article (I posted the whole thing). I already fully agree with their conclusion.