For All Of You Diagnosed With Adhd.

Sounds like you were misdiagnosed and thrown a shitty "catch-all" solution with the drugs. I'm glad you found a more pragmatic solution.

Organic is a buzzword, true. However, as someone who eats both organic and non-organic, I can tell you, in many cases, organic does taste better. Especially when it comes to fruits and vegetables. They are given the appropriate time to naturally ripen, and not exposed to artificial environments to hasten their growth and ripening.

Another reason to eat organic has nothing to do with the consumer, but directly impacts the farm hands who are harvesting the crops. Large farm owners for years have been spraying pesticides on their fields, while their workers, many illegal immigrants and can't really speak their voice, are still in the fields. So they get covered with the pesticides as well.

Good point. I like to eat my immigrants organic only.

Hmmm, a thread about ADHD posted on a site where MMORPG players gather to discuss things.....

.....what is the OP REALLY trying to say???

What's a non organic immigrant?

Organic doesn't mean no pesticides. Just that the pesticides have to be "naturally-occuring". Synthetic pesticides are more efficient and can be engineered to be more selective meaning less pesticide use overall and lower impact on the environment compared to an organic one that isn't as effective (meaning more needs to be dumped on the crop) or selective (meaning it kills more species than the targeted pest). Then there's GMO crops, which do not qualify as organic, that are designed to need less pesticides (or water or fertilizers).

There are benefits to organic farming, but as a whole, it's not where I'd like to see agriculture go in the future.

Silicon based

Surprised to not see this already!

I personally would sleep or play games when I was bored at school or in general. Never got any problem doing that, in any way.

I still love how people lump ADD and ADHD together. They are two entirely different beasts. Also, I've seen students who have ADHD, and they are vastly different than kids who are just making disruptions because they're bored. I actually have to take time out of my day to let these kids get their energy out, or they'll simply explode when we're doing something as simple as reading a Shakespeare play. In four of my classes, I have to take constant breaks to let these kids get their hyperactivity out or they'll go batshit insane.

That being said, I need to return to my original point: ADD is completely different. I have ADD. Does that mean I'm bouncing off the walls? Absolutely not. In fact, I'm the opposite. I'm as energetic as my avatar of Scruffy appears, here.

For me, ADD means that I can only concentrate on one thing at a time. My concentration is intense and it's hard to get me to focus on anything else. It also means that it's hard for me to accept alternative ways to do something (or do them out of order). However, sometimes while I'm concentrating on one thing, something else will catch my attention. My focus goes completely out of the window and suddenly I'm focusing on something entirely different. This isn't poor attention because I'm still a hormonal teen. I'm 30 years old. ADD is very real, no matter what some quack says.

As for ADHD, it too is very real. Not every bouncy kid has it, though. That's due to poor diagnosis, and it's easier to just throw pills at every kid who acts up in class than it is to be a better parent, but that's a whole other monster entirely. Then, there are kids who, no matter what, will always always bounce around like chickens with their heads cut off. Those are your true ADHDers, and they will be that way in 20 years.

If you actually taste-tested them blindly, your opinion would alter radically. At best, provided they're both in season (getting produce shipped from South America, whether organic or normal, makes it taste pretty mediocre), they'll taste the same.

That almost sounds like autism.

grow your own food, raise your own cattle, make a pond for your own tilapia.

You only need a hundred acres to support a family of five! Come on the world needs to go back to organic.

/facepalm

Didn't read article, most of that crap is just that crap.

pharma is in the money making business not making u better business.

Doctors know jack st about the chemical workings of the human brain, nor how long term chemical treatments change the brain. Like kids with a toy science kit trying to clone sheep, some real dumb crap.

Organic is not the way, smarter farming is.

Proper crop rotation, fertilization, nutrient addition, and use of non GMO seed. Hybrids are not as problematic but GMO is bad and leads to many of the problems as you get with pharma.

Dwarf wheat GMO varieties are genetically distinct and easily identifiably different from heirloom wheat. This is not how it should be, what we consume as wheat today is not what our forefathers consumed, it is wheat by name alone.

Our problem is our "healthy foods" are less nutritious (some sources claim 1/4 nutrient value). While our unhealthy eating has taken a turn for the worse, with massive sugar consumption. 1950's u had coffee with milk maybe some sugar and or honey that would be about 2~3 tsp MAX. Now your average starbucks coffee concoction would put a diabetic into a coma. Really each pump of that liquid sweet is about 2+ tsp of sugar, many of their drinks are 2 pumps+

Also gluten intolerance is a nocebo, Celiac is real but that is different. However there is money to be made in "Organic free range open pollinated gluten free bee friendly honey."

Yeah they want your money on both fronts pharma / organicers(not a word)

/stay frosty people and keep your wits about you.

Hey, maybe it is. Aren't they arguing right now that every human lies somewhere on the autism spectrum and that it encompasses everyone? This is what I've heard, anyway.

Some days I wonder if I have Asperger's, but then I just laugh to myself because it sounds like *** burgers.

It also sounds a lot more like OCD than ADD.

Which, by the sounds of it, also manifests as one of the symptoms of autism (I may be wrong), or is a symptom that is part of a synonymous relationship with autism, and it's many varied levels.

I can't say I'm well versed in the intricacies of autism, as it seems to be one of the taboo subjects of mental health.

Listen, guy- I know at least five other people who completely agree with me about this. I think I know what I'm talking about.

I know a guy, who knows a guy who I think knows another guy that might agree with me.

I guess this would make me OCD, but...

JIMMIES RUSTLED!!!

Shots fired!

Not that I'm surprised in the least you saw that.

I've not heard that and it sounds like complete bunk. It's bad enough seeing socially maladjusted jerks try to hide behind ASD as an excuse. Best that can be said is that autists and neurotypical people generally have a lot in common (even those with acute autism who seem impossible to reach). Most of the difference is in how and what our brains process.

There's a strong hypothesis that autism behaviors are linked with hunting instincts (rare in primates) and other lone-wolf type behaviors as a necessary variance to protect the more social group. It's probably wrong to figure something with a 1% incidence rate in the human population is an error.

ADHD/ADD, such as they are, probably serve some purpose that we just don't need anymore. However, most diagnoses of ADD/ADHD are basically people telling boys to stop being boys. This is in no way helped by most primary school teachers being female. I say give the speed to the girls so they can be more rambunctious, rather than trying to metaphorically castrate the little boys.

This is why I can't stand the anti-GMO crowd.

Speaking for myself, little OCD-like rituals can build up, but they often lack the unbearable compulsion of OCD. Stimming, a habit that superficially resembles the tics Tourette's syndrome may produce, is a hallmark of autists and can often be mistaken for OCD. Like, I generally need something in my free hand(s). For the best part of 10 years, I've kept a metal Slinky on my desk and I manipulate it in my left hand while doing other things with my right.

Neurological and psychological disorders and syndromes have a strange habit of looking similar from a distance. It can be really hard to distinguish anxiety from depression with only a short glance, for instance.

Because they don't realize the wheat their forefathers ate was GMO, too?

Perhaps we should take to calling GMO crops "Mendelian." Can we re-brand the concept of humans altering crop plants, an activity we've literally been doing for 4-6k years, minimum?

Or, say ADD and ADHD.

Again, those two shouldn't be lumped together.

Admittedly, I've done virtually no research on this, so can you tell me how they're sufficiently different that they need to be kept in separate rooms? I get the difference between "can't concentrate" and "can't concentrate nor sit still," but I'm assuming there's a lot more to it than just that, yes?

I can tell you from personal experience, but as you mentioned, I'm not exactly an expert. My knowledge comes from being ADD and witnessing many of my students (with IEPs) who have ADHD. The two are indeed vastly different.

A student with ADHD doesn't have a deficit of attention. I've seen ADHD students who can be focused without faltering. Many ADHD people I've come across are even multitaskers. What they do have is a neurological necessity to be very active; explosive in some ways. For instance, I have one student who can't sit still in his desk for 20 minutes straight. I can't count the number of times I've had to chase him around the room just to remove the distraction. When he does his work, he's on fire. He pays attention to me. But he has this need to be active. This is where kinesthetic learning takes place, something I'm definitely a novice at implementing.

ADD on the other hand is much more calm and complacent. These people have a hard time paying attention to something for more than a couple minutes. Distractions cause their minds to wander or focus on something else entirely. This is my issue. I remember one instance in particular where I was in high school and I was talking to a kid who was playing on a Gameboy Advance. I don't remember what I was talking about, but halfway through my sentence I just stopped and my mind was focused on what he was doing ingame. People with ADD (at least from what I've seen and experienced firsthand) can't multitask at all. It's only one thing at a time. That is a true deficit of attention.

Now, it's not to say that a person can't have both, but my argument is that the two shouldn't be lumped in together because the treatment for and the actions of these issues are vastly different. As I mentioned previously, those students with ADHD need breaks and kinesthetic learning. ADD students need to constantly break the routine and have teachers willing to work with the wandering attention span and use that to their advantage. That one's tougher to deal with, admittedly.

Again, I'm no psychologist or anything, but this is how I see it and for that reason I feel like lumping ADD and ADHD is like lumping an apple with a banana. Sure, they're both fruits, but they couldn't be more different, and how you approach them is varied.

Hope that clears it up.

Sure does, thanks.

When I refer to GMO it is the post 1950 produce, science and technology/ techniques shifted drastically post 1950's. Norman Ernest Borlaug, who won a nobel prize, helped develope newer strains of wheat, that are closer to weeds than wheat of the 1900's, able to grow in very poor conditions, which is not as good as it seems. Most if not all produce is nutritionally anemic. The USDA reported values for various produce showed about a 25% decline and in some cases as much as a %80 in some vitamins/minerals from the 1950's to now.

So I will translate. Current GMO strains allow for greater production in poorer soil, and haven less ability to uptake and thus convert nutrients.

This leads to having to eat 20~30% more to get the same value. One reason, of many, why the US/consumerist world is facing many health issues, like obesity.

I'm all for GMO when it yeilds a gain, but the way big business employs it is akin to outsourcing to china for cheaper labor and parts, not higher quality.

What does drought tolerance and blight tolerance have to do with nutrition? These things help Price and quantity sure, but not quality.

Edit: to be clear I am not anti-GMO, I am anti consumerist big business parasites.

No
Consequence of soil depletion, which is not unique to GMOs or non-organic crops.
No. In fact, GMOs can be manufactured to be more nutrient rich than their unmodified counterpart, e.g., golden rice.
It feeds people that would otherwise have less food?

You accused Norman Borlaug, one of the greatest men who lived, personally responsible for saving more lives than Jonas Salk, of being a big business parasite? They must ring when you walk, given how brassy your balls are.

So basically your argument against currently modified crops (instead of the older modified crops that you pretend are different) is that they grow more efficiently and allow people in food-poor countries to live, but in a food-rich country like the US, they might be partially responsible for a temporary health crisis. Yeah, I can totally see how letting a billion people in Asia die is more important than marginally contributing to first worlders being fat.