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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-12-31 09:23:50
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
How do American teens benefit from this socially?
outcast in school regardless, but can use tumblr and similar communities online to get unconditional support and artificial friendships to fill that void

sure seems like what this kid was doing
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 09:24:07
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How insecure are you in your masculinity, exactly, to stretch this far? It's not radical, it's just stupid. I suppose you think homosexuality can be "cured" too?


i said many, not most, or all

if you think there aren't any teens-young adults doing the trans thing because they think it'll benefit them socially, it's a waste of my time to argue with you
How do American teens benefit from this socially?

Because clearly it's the popular thing to do to be trans and take abuse from nearly all facets of society. Mad social status, bro.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-31 09:26:03
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Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Ramyrez said: »
How insecure are you in your masculinity, exactly, to stretch this far? It's not radical, it's just stupid. I suppose you think homosexuality can be "cured" too?


i said many, not most, or all

if you think there aren't any teens-young adults doing the trans thing because they think it'll benefit them socially, it's a waste of my time to argue with you
How do American teens benefit from this socially?

Because clearly it's the popular thing to do to be trans and take abuse from nearly all facets of society. Mad social status, bro.
Same thing with feminism; that's just Tumblr.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 09:26:15
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
How do American teens benefit from this socially?
outcast in school regardless, but can use tumblr and similar communities online to get unconditional support and artificial friendships to fill that void

sure seems like what this kid was doing

Yeah. Because when you can't find support in your direct community, it makes no sense to look online for others like you, right?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-31 09:27:37
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*** if I looked for support from other like me that would be like searching for the holy grail lol
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 09:27:41
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Same thing with feminism; that's just Tumblr.

I actually find it rather ironic the amount of people who use Tumblr for social support...and everyone else uses it for porn.

And frequently the two overlap. At least in my experience.

The amount of feminists on Tumblr who are still interested in posting tons of nudes seems nearly endless...
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-12-31 09:28:14
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Yeah. Because when you can't find support in your direct community, it makes no sense to look online for others like you, right?
because an awkward teen would never exaggerate or lie about intangible characteristics to be seen as a victim, right?
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 09:29:45
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*** if I looked for support from other like me that would be like searching for the holy grail lol

I actually tend to be quite split on those like me.

Either they're my best friends or I end up wishing awful things upon them.

To quote Doc Holiday, "Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it; I hate him."
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-31 09:30:26
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Same thing with feminism; that's just Tumblr.

I actually find it rather ironic the amount of people who use Tumblr for social support...and everyone else uses it for porn.

And frequently the two overlap. At least in my experience.

The amount of feminists on Tumblr who are still interested in posting tons of nudes seems nearly endless...
The radical female supremacists (I hate calling them feminists) and the transgender for attention types are kinda a minority, but I think they do harm to their legitimate counterparts.

There are also otherkin which I'd rather not get into.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 09:30:52
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Yeah. Because when you can't find support in your direct community, it makes no sense to look online for others like you, right?
because an awkward teen would never exaggerate or lie about intangible characteristics to be seen as a victim, right?

Mmm. And being so distraught about something that you take your own life over it is clearly the sign of someone lying about actually being that thing in the first place.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-12-31 09:36:01
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
How do American teens benefit from this socially?
outcast in school regardless, but can use tumblr and similar communities online to get unconditional support and artificial friendships to fill that void

sure seems like what this kid was doing
None of what you claim makes any sense even on a base level. You don't need to be a transgender to get on to tublr or similar communites to get support from others online or to develop artificial freindships. You also could lie about it if you really were that desperate to make connections.

It also doesn't make sense that it benefits her socially if she still remained an outcast in her daily life and was still alienated by her family. Did she show up to school and have more confidence because of it or going around talking about all her online friends she had now and it made her face anything less in school? If anyone did this they'd probably go even further down in social standing and secure their place for good in the social hierarchy.

Why do you think many LGBT kids hide who they are? Why is is so wrong for anyone to be excepted for who they are? You talk like they are too young to make a decision about this stuff yet we encourage straight kids to go out and for those types of relationships with other straight kids. In the end it's not really a choice at all. You can choose to hide it for as long as you can probably but it just is who you are.

In any case it does not benefit them socially here. What it may do is bring them some comfort having someone else out there who might sympathize or relate to their own situation and give them some comfort where there was thought to be none. It defeinitely does not raise there social standing though.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-12-31 09:40:13
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Yeah. Because when you can't find support in your direct community, it makes no sense to look online for others like you, right?
because an awkward teen would never exaggerate or lie about intangible characteristics to be seen as a victim, right?
Because an akward teen could never be different and instead of receiving support from their family or community they are instead ostracized and demeaned.

Why is it so hard to just accept people for who they are?
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By fonewear 2014-12-31 09:43:53
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Yeah. Because when you can't find support in your direct community, it makes no sense to look online for others like you, right?
because an awkward teen would never exaggerate or lie about intangible characteristics to be seen as a victim, right?
Because an akward teen could never be different and instead of receiving support from their family or community they are instead ostracized and demeaned.

Why is it so hard to just accept people for who they are?

Is this about that MTV show awkward ?
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By Nazrious 2014-12-31 09:44:20
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Lakshmi.Aelius said: »
Why does it take a death of someone for everyone to realize the importance of lifestyles and beliefs?

Are we that insensitive to martyrs these days?
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Deciding you're transgender
It's early so I'll spare you the "one does not simply" image macro but you don't simply choose to be transgender or gay for that matter.
You don't simply choose to develop gender dysphoria.

You can choose to want to undergo transition.

See: Thailand, where men will get hormone therapy and genital surgery to become viable prostitutes.

That said, gender dysphoria itself is a symptom not a condition. The underlying causes are not known to any real extent at this point in time. It's not that radical to suggest that many cases are developed from a subconscious observation that the other gender rewards behaviors of the person.
I can agree, I can also agree that there have been those who have undergone gender reassignment surgery and regretted it (Google Samantha Kane or Charles Kane) but there have been a great deal more of those who have transitioned and lived a more normal life than they otherwise would have. Some even choose to be "non-op."


Martyr, they killed themselves, wrong use of the word. Nor does it have any value, wasted life, don't kill yourself, only thing to take away from any of this.

Poor misunderstood blah blah blah. Many children and teens have it much worse and don't give up.

Also sex change is a choice, you can be lbg without surgery. Male or female is about the mechanism not the software. Some animals can even change gender through a natural process.
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By fonewear 2014-12-31 09:44:54
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Lakshmi.Aelius said: »
Why does it take a death of someone for everyone to realize the importance of lifestyles and beliefs?

Are we that insensitive to martyrs these days?

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-12-31 09:45:31
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if you read the tumblr, every actual post is about how they're such a victim..

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Anonymous asked: You inspire me!!

awwhhh! I don’t know what’s so inspiring about a gross *** who has a weirdly proportioned body and sucks at make-up, but thank you, I wish you the best of luck ✿♥✿ (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧✿♥✿

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No, society does lump trans people and otherkin together. I have heard “well if you’re a girl because you say you are then if I say I’m a squirrel does that make me a squirrel?” way too many times. Ever since people have become accepting of transgender people people have decided to come up with all these *** identities because they want to be a special little snowflake and it just ruins it for us transgender people who just want to be accepted into society.

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okay I’m sorry but I’m so totally and completely anti-otherkin. Feel free to send me an anon ask telling me why I shouldn’t be because this ***is making cis people lump us together and basically make our gender seem less valid and it pisses me the *** off

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I’m not saying it’s a gender. I’m saying that there is no scientific proof behind being otherkin, it’s purely spiritual and it’s stupid that otherkin people get all super offended when people don’t use the correct pronouns or whatever. like sorry I don’t believe what you do, I’m not going to pretend you’re a cat.

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I can’t stand to go on twitter and listen to all of my old friends from high school complain about their lives and how tough they have it and how they’re all depressed, like you literally do not know ***about depression

you have it MADE. your lives are as close to perfect as anyone in this generation is ever going to get and you act like you’re carrying the weight of the world. shut the *** up, you have no idea at all what it’s like to truly feel like there is no choice better than to kill yourself, you have no idea what it’s like to be that sad. I certainly don’t have the worst life out there but I have it pretty *** bad. my life sucks. I literally have nothing to live for other than the possibility that I might be able to scrape up enough money to live a comfortable lifestyle as a woman in a couple years, not to mention it’s going to suck then because my family is going to disown me and I’m going to have trouble having enough money to pay for surgeries and medication to make me feel like a normal human being, plus having to pay for food, gas and rent each month. I’m going to be broke as *** for the rest of my life and there’s nothing that I can do about it other than just not transition and hate my body to the point where I’ll just end up killing myself.

you got grounded for getting a D in Physics? Your boyfriend of a couple months broke up with you? You didn’t get to smoke any weed this weekend? Jesus ***, your life is SO HARD. Pull your head out of your *** and suck it up. A couple years ago I was in that same exact spot, I thought I was depressed, I thought I wanted to kill myself. I want to go back in time and slap my 15 year old self in the face, I had no idea how bad it was going to get. You may think you have problems but you really don’t, so instead of starting a pity party on social media websites take a walk and calm down and think about how maybe YOU’RE the ***, not everyone else.

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every time i want to kill myself it’s always inconvenient to everyone around me. i want to fade away without ruining everyone else’s plans

nobody else's problems matter, please feel sorry for me

and then they take the time to set up a post-humous twitter post where they completely blast their parents

how much more victim complex do you get exactly?
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By Cerberus.Kodaijin 2014-12-31 09:47:39
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fonewear said: »
Lakshmi.Aelius said: »
Why does it take a death of someone for everyone to realize the importance of lifestyles and beliefs?

Are we that insensitive to martyrs these days?

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.

Love it. Thanks Homer.
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By Nazrious 2014-12-31 09:49:00
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Holy fsickles... otherkin, I mean furries or w/e but are we now expected to use lbgto... going to run out of letters eventually.
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By fonewear 2014-12-31 09:49:04
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So people that commit suicide are some sort of hero for other transgender kids ?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-12-31 09:49:22
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Seems like a normal teen behaviour. Emo thoughts, only I suffer and no one else knows.
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By Nazrious 2014-12-31 09:52:38
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So people that commit suicide are some sort of hero for other transgender kids ?


Ummm... lmfao. Probably wasn't going for a lulz but it made me laugh.

If this is true there will be a drastic drop in the transgender youth population.

Glorifying suicide is not a way to gain numbers/ spread understanding.
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By fonewear 2014-12-31 09:53:15
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I'm not recommending you kill yourself just leave a note to why you do it !


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By Nazrious 2014-12-31 09:57:22
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Lol Fone ur putting some serious effort foward with the lulz, really wasn't expecting any real laugh.
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By fonewear 2014-12-31 10:01:47
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If anything this story should be ignored so it won't influence other suicidal people.

But a little suicide never stops people from getting click bait.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2014-12-31 10:02:05
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Your brain doesn't stop developing till you're well past your teens.

I don't think this child gave it self a chance to determine or evaluate their future.

A child will mold itself the way society wants. This is why it's important to not confuse children in schools, or provide them with appropriate curriculum.

References would be: Child soilder's in Africa, Child Suicide Bombers in Iraq, Sexually molested deviants, and the like.

These people don't just wake up one morning and decide I'm going to join my local militia, or with the intent to get raped by a family member, or the next door child abuser. They become molded by their experiences, and it breaks them.

In these cases, in example, a young child may want to be like Elsa from Frozen. They want to be pretty. Magical. Maybe the kids at the school talk about how cool Elsa is, and they wish they were just like her so they could be cool too.

Recent news is putting a lot of emphasis on fake "facebook" status, pictures, memories that never happened and how it affects your brain psychologically to think that it did happen.

This has been known in psychology that the more you lie, the more you believe your own lies. You end up living a lie, and the sad part is the internet is the #1 place to find people just like you who live a lie. That's more support than you'll ever need.

All in all,

Happy New Years - enjoy the fireworks.
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By fonewear 2014-12-31 10:04:26
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Taking from said teen:

My death needs to be counted in the number of transgender people who commit suicide this year. I want someone to look at that number and say “that’s f----up” and fix it. Fix society. Please.

Someone is a little full of themself no wonder he/she committed suicide.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 10:04:59
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Ragnarok.Amador said: »
References would be: Child soilder's in Africa, Child Suicide Bombers in Iraq, Sexually molested deviants, and the like.

Also: The U.S. military, members of the clergy (religion in general, really), Boy Scouts, terrorists worldwide, Neo Nazis.
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By fonewear 2014-12-31 10:07:14
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Hey at least when suicide bombers kill themselves they are doing it for the greater good !
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By Nazrious 2014-12-31 10:08:02
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Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Amador said: »
References would be: Child soilder's in Africa, Child Suicide Bombers in Iraq, Sexually molested deviants, and the like.

Also: The U.S. military, members of the clergy (religion in general, really), Boy Scouts, terrorists worldwide, Neo Nazis.

Militant LBGT even...

The world is to scary...

~"Suicide is painless, it brings on many changes. But I can take or leave it if I choose"~
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