Who needs journalism when you're pushing
I mean the problem is so bad that after being raped by over half a dozen men for hours, all the friends you told tell you to keep it quiet?
C'mon! That's just not believable.
Who Needs Actual Journalism Anymore
Who needs actual journalism anymore
UVA rape story just continues to fall apart. Let's talk about it. Even slate's on the bandwagon
Who needs journalism when you're pushingyour agenda of rape culture for the greater good? Amirite?
I mean the problem is so bad that after being raped by over half a dozen men for hours, all the friends you told tell you to keep it quiet?
C'mon! That's just not believable.
Who needs journalism when you're pushing
I mean the problem is so bad that after being raped by over half a dozen men for hours, all the friends you told tell you to keep it quiet?
C'mon! That's just not believable.
Rape is rape, I'd rather be the person who cried rape and got justice than be with a bunch of pig headed partiers.
Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Rape is rape, I'd rather be the person who cried rape and got justice than be with a bunch of pig headed partiers.
You know that not every group of college students that gets together and drinks and carouses is "pig-headed", nor are they all rapists or otherwise whatever other negative chauvenist stereotype you're trying to paint them as, right?
There's a middle ground here people, I swear.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
RS themselves backpeddled on it, saying that in review not all of their sources were as credible as they were led to believe (ie: they took some bait to push their chosen agenda.)
This just in...
Local FFXIAH crazy person Nausi Adnauseum decries "Advocacy journalism" and "Sensationalism" are failing to uphold the professional and ethical standards of journalism and should not be tolerated...
His "Case in point" is a news article that he probably didn't read about a recent retraction from Rolling Stone Magazine that he probably didn't read from an article about a rape case that he probably never read either...
It's important to point out Rolling Stone Magazine is not a daily newspaper, it has always had a clear liberal bias and was once the "home" of famed "Gonzo Journalist" Hunter S. Thompson
the New York times Article is better
Local FFXIAH crazy person Nausi Adnauseum decries "Advocacy journalism" and "Sensationalism" are failing to uphold the professional and ethical standards of journalism and should not be tolerated...
His "Case in point" is a news article that he probably didn't read about a recent retraction from Rolling Stone Magazine that he probably didn't read from an article about a rape case that he probably never read either...
It's important to point out Rolling Stone Magazine is not a daily newspaper, it has always had a clear liberal bias and was once the "home" of famed "Gonzo Journalist" Hunter S. Thompson
the New York times Article is better
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
was once the "home" of famed legendary "Gonzo Journalist" Hunter S. Thompson
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Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Rape is rape, I'd rather rape a bunch of pig headed partiers.
Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Rape is rape, I'd rather be the person who cried rape and got justice than be with a bunch of pig headed partiers.
Apparently, there's only justice for someone who cries rape, when it ends the future of unnamed individuals who were not contacted for their side of the story.
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Somewhere I saw it pointed out that some of her "close friends" in which she confided are actual rape counselors on campus, as well, and even they were like, "Uhh...her story is kind of thin".
Like I said. I'm all for punishing rapists to the full extent of the law, but I'm also all about getting it right. This certainly doesn't pass the "sounds legit" test.
I'm by no means a seasoned reporter for newspaper nor magazine, but I do have a professional journalism education and background before my current vocational placement. I wouldn't have even written this story; I can't imagine the editors that let it go through.
Like I said. I'm all for punishing rapists to the full extent of the law, but I'm also all about getting it right. This certainly doesn't pass the "sounds legit" test.
I'm by no means a seasoned reporter for newspaper nor magazine, but I do have a professional journalism education and background before my current vocational placement. I wouldn't have even written this story; I can't imagine the editors that let it go through.
All this talk of rape not one mention of Huff Post. Amazing.
Ramyrez said: »
Somewhere I saw it pointed out that some of her "close friends" in which she confided are actual rape counselors on campus, as well, and even they were like, "Uhh...her story is kind of thin".
Like I said. I'm all for punishing rapists to the full extent of the law, but I'm also all about getting it right. This certainly doesn't pass the "sounds legit" test.
I'm by no means a seasoned reporter for newspaper nor magazine, but I do have a professional journalism education and background before my current vocational placement. I wouldn't have even written this story; I can't imagine the editors that let it go through.
Like I said. I'm all for punishing rapists to the full extent of the law, but I'm also all about getting it right. This certainly doesn't pass the "sounds legit" test.
I'm by no means a seasoned reporter for newspaper nor magazine, but I do have a professional journalism education and background before my current vocational placement. I wouldn't have even written this story; I can't imagine the editors that let it go through.
Why are you so surprised?
Advocacy journalism isn't new, There's as much money involved in fighting the rape culture patriarchy as there is in fighting white privilege.
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
the New York times Article is better
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Except they retracted the story, apologized and are now legally vulnerable.
Had the story taken a different turn and this was from an actual victim would you be saying the same thing?
You like to hop on any bandwagon you can get a hold of that might seem to represent an opportunity for you to exploit and half the time you don't even take the time to fully read or comprehend your source material or how it might relate to your point.
Do you even know what advocacy journalism is?
Had the story taken a different turn and this was from an actual victim would you be saying the same thing?
You like to hop on any bandwagon you can get a hold of that might seem to represent an opportunity for you to exploit and half the time you don't even take the time to fully read or comprehend your source material or how it might relate to your point.
Do you even know what advocacy journalism is?
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Somewhere I saw it pointed out that some of her "close friends" in which she confided are actual rape counselors on campus, as well, and even they were like, "Uhh...her story is kind of thin".
Like I said. I'm all for punishing rapists to the full extent of the law, but I'm also all about getting it right. This certainly doesn't pass the "sounds legit" test.
I'm by no means a seasoned reporter for newspaper nor magazine, but I do have a professional journalism education and background before my current vocational placement. I wouldn't have even written this story; I can't imagine the editors that let it go through.
Like I said. I'm all for punishing rapists to the full extent of the law, but I'm also all about getting it right. This certainly doesn't pass the "sounds legit" test.
I'm by no means a seasoned reporter for newspaper nor magazine, but I do have a professional journalism education and background before my current vocational placement. I wouldn't have even written this story; I can't imagine the editors that let it go through.
Why are you so surprised?
Advocacy journalism isn't new, There's as much money involved in fighting the rape culture patriarchy as there is in fighting white privilege.
There was a time in this country when you could report events -- even with your own take and narrative -- and still take time to make sure you're getting the facts right.
Then again, the aforementioned Hunter S. Thompson also famously had many go-arounds with the editors at Rolling Stone for lots of reasons, so it's not like he was always happy with them either.
I have no problem with a publication (broadcast, webcast, whatever) putting their own take on a story. They all do, whether they cop to it or not.
It's the egregious disregard for fact-checking that offends me.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Do you even know what advocacy journalism is?
an oxymoron?
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From wiki: Advocacy journalism is a genre of journalism that intentionally and transparently adopts a non-objective viewpoint, usually for some social or political purpose.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
i got a good laugh out of this story unfolding
not much else to add though, journalism has been ***for a long time and it'll continue to be ***for a long time
not much else to add though, journalism has been ***for a long time and it'll continue to be ***for a long time
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Ramyrez said: »
There was a time in this country when you could report events -- even with your own take and narrative -- and still take time to make sure you're getting the facts right.
There was a very brief window at the advent of television when newscasters felt an obligation not to be rampant jerkasses, but even that is mostly romanticism. What Edward R. Murrow did in opposition to Senator McCarthy was, even then, considered highly atypical and thoroughly at odds with most other major news outlets.
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
the New York times Article is better
This just in...
Diabolically evil psuedo journalist "Nikolce" is forced to publicly apologize for posting a sensible article in P&R and then made to sit in the corner wearing the dunce cap of shame for twenty four hours.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
From wiki: Advocacy journalism is a genre of journalism that intentionally and transparently adopts a non-objective viewpoint, usually for some social or political purpose.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
It's still supposed to report the actual facts but then they usually just give you their opinion along with it.
Again you cherry pick what you think best suits your needs and then ignore the entirety of the situation. It's Rolling Stone too... geez...
As far back as America has been a thing, papers have engaged in smear campaigns, twisting facts to suit their ends and blatant lies woven between loose truths.
The difference today is the overwhelming amount of noise thanks to the Internet.
The difference today is the overwhelming amount of noise thanks to the Internet.
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
From wiki: Advocacy journalism is a genre of journalism that intentionally and transparently adopts a non-objective viewpoint, usually for some social or political purpose.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
It's still supposed to report the actual facts but then they usually just give you their opinion along with it.
Again you cherry pick what you think best suits your needs and then ignore the entirety of the situation. It's Rolling Stone too... geez...
Rolling stone WAS bringing you the facts, just the ones they wanted you to hear.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
From wiki: Advocacy journalism is a genre of journalism that intentionally and transparently adopts a non-objective viewpoint, usually for some social or political purpose.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
Such as this rape story attempting to adopt the non objective view of it's author that college culture is dangerous to women and mostly about rape.
It's still supposed to report the actual facts but then they usually just give you their opinion along with it.
Again you cherry pick what you think best suits your needs and then ignore the entirety of the situation. It's Rolling Stone too... geez...
Rolling stone WAS bringing you the facts, just the ones they wanted you to hear.
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Ramyrez said: »
There was a time in this country when you could report events -- even with your own take and narrative -- and still take time to make sure you're getting the facts right.
There was a very brief window at the advent of television when newscasters felt an obligation not to be rampant jerkasses, but even that is mostly romanticism. What Edward R. Murrow did in opposition to Senator McCarthy was, even then, considered highly atypical and thoroughly at odds with most other major news outlets.
Well, like I stated. Not sure where the disconnect comes into play, but even as recently as a decade ago I was trained to check facts, vet my sources, and report the news. Not just the parts that fit a narrative or my own opinions (I also did quite a bit of editorial writing, but it was clearly labled as such and not reported as news).
I also actually worked in newsrooms for a bit before life happened and I ended up in a different career. Maybe it's because I never worked for a big enough news outlet for it to matter, but the story was the story, and it was reported factually. And everyone from the publishers down were largely on board with that, too.
Hmm, a decade seems pretty close to the mark in my memory.
There isn't any money in the truth.
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
There isn't any money in the truth.
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