This Is A Plus Size Model?

My point is more that not every kid is going to be good at math, and if they get a C as an objective measure of their ability and not because they spent their study time playing CoD or on Facebook, I wouldn't feel the need to come up with "participation award" style euphemisms for it. "You did your best, and there's nothing wrong with a C." as long as they actually gave it their best effort.

Sure, most "plus sized" women could probably lose a few pounds with minimal effort beyond changing habits or taking up a semi-active hobby, but as long as they are content with who they are, there should be no need to coddle or shame them.

I think what you just said is one of the things that's wrong with society.

Every kid can be good at math if they're given the motivation to learn. Not everyone can be amazing, sure, but everyone should at least be able to learn basic calculus, or know the difference between acceleration and velocity, or understand basic principles of a right triangle.

The problem is, there are people out there (if I can pick on you a little bit), who tell them it's ok to not be good at something. Once you zap their motivation to learn, there are very few things that a child is willing to learn voluntarily.

Jassik - you really aren't getting the gist of labeling. Your size is what is called "normal"....normal does not have a bad connotation to it. The word FAT does. In fact it is referenced as one of the 7 Deadly Sins as Gluttony. The word fat has as negative of a connotation as the word ***, jew, spic, towel head, etc.

When you see the word fat you think of a huge fat person, clutching fast food bags, huffing and puffing their way to their car, already eating with food coming out of their mouth and spilling with grease onto their way to small for them tight clothing......sound about right???

Now take the world Big Beautiful Woman - roll that around in your head, dismissing that last image altogether. Can you not possibly see a more positive image - just as if you would say African-American, jewish, Mexican, Arabic.

Labels and words to make a difference. Small example. You work for a secretary as an assistant - the secretary says to someone on the phone, "I'll send my boy around to pick that up", meaning you. Now, how do you think that person on the phone will view you when you show up to pick up the package? They WILL view you as a BOY, not worthy of respect. But if she had said "I will send my assistant around to pick that up", THAT gives you more respect.....words do have power.

I knew that...

That's exactly what I mean, a "C" should be considered an acceptable achievement, an "A" should be exceptional. As long as they have given in a true and conscious effort, I don't see a need to flatter or shame them for what they achieve.


When I hear "fat" I think of someone who is large as a result of their own habits or lack of aspiration. If someone sits on the sofa all day eating junk food and is overweight, I don't think we should try to come up with nice ways of saying it. Conversely, if someone eats well and exercises and has large hips, I don't think we need to make excuses for nature, that's just their shape and there's nothing wrong with it.

Words only have the power you give them, if someone refers to you as their "boy" and you accept it, it's on you. You will only ever get the respect you deserve and command.

Let's just say we don't agree there.

Hope you change your mind when you have kids.

Since you feel the need to insult me, I'd be curious if your parents shamed you for every time you fell short, or if you only aspired to easy goals.

You would be curious? Or are you curious?

Is it that time, already? I thought that wasn't supposed to happen until page 9.

I honestly couldn't care less, but you seem determined to shame me for having realistic expectations, that anger has to come from somewhere.

Everyone can, with enough effort.

A common problem people seem to have is in order to defend their point, they run to the far extreme and point out how bad it is.

Yes, a 99.9% of grade school kid can't master calculus no matter how much effort they put into it, but they should at least be able to get an A on their paper.

This enabling of mediocrity is really perplexing.

I didn't know my mom was in Canada. Can you tell her I said hi?

Oh please, get off your high horse. No one who's been on the internet for more than a month would fall for such a generic comeback.

It's grammar, actually. Something I learned goodly on school.

I just realized this turned into a 'its my 12.95'-RL Edition thread.

Like I said.

I know you consider yourself an intelligent person. Even a person of faint intelligence should at least realize their biases and not let it control their rationale.

There's a severe lack of comparing hot girls pics and calling them plus sized in here.

Why is this even a discussion if no pics.

Obviously, you aren't taking what I said to the far extreme to make some kind of point...

Well I don't work with abused or damaged children, but as someone who watched mentally challenged or physically disabled people attend college/gym and succeeding for years on end, I would kindly ask you to go kill yourself for dooming the lives you've touched by telling them it's ok to not try their hardest and work towards their success.

For Jassik.

Because everyone's a winner!

You clearly didn't read a word I wrote.

Or just redo the sizes like men's clothes to where it's the size of the clothes, instead of some arbitrary #

@OP: didn't you used to do fittings for people or something for a living?

I think the problem here is your definition of "good at something" which is very off from what I would consider it.

Honestly most people don't need to know the properties of a right triangle, so why should they bother with it when it's irrelevant to their lives?