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By Asura.Highwynn 2014-10-05 23:29:44
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IRBIL, Iraq — A former French intelligence officer who defected to al Qaida was among the targets of the first wave of U.S. air strikes in Syria last month, according to people familiar with the defector’s movements and identity.

Two European intelligence officials described the former French officer as the highest ranking defector ever to go over to the terrorist group and called his defection one of the most dangerous developments in the West’s long confrontation with al Qaida.

The identity of the officer is a closely guarded secret. Two people, independently of one another, provided the same name, which McClatchy is withholding pending further confirmation. All of the sources agreed that a former French officer was one of the people targeted when the United States struck eight locations occupied by the Nusra Front, al Qaida’s Syrian affiliate. The former officer apparently survived the assault, which included strikes by 47 cruise missiles.

U.S. officials have acknowledged that the assault on the Nusra Front locations, which came as the Americans and coalition partners also struck Islamic State positions elsewhere, was aimed at members of what the Obama administration has dubbed the Khorasan group, a unit of top-level terror operatives who had been dispatched to Syria to plot attacks on the West.

The only member of that unit U.S. officials have identified is Muhsin al Fahdli, a 33-year-old one-time confidant of al Qaida founder Osama bin Laden. The United States offered a $7 million reward in October 2012 for information leading to Fahdli’s death or capture. Twitter accounts associated with jihadi sympathizers have said Fahdli was killed, but U.S. officials have said that information remains unconfirmed.

The former French officer may have been a more important target. Syrian rebels battling to topple President Bashar Assad said that U.S. officials had told them before the strikes that they were closely monitoring the defector’s movements.

European intelligence officials said the former officer had defected from either French military intelligence or from France’s foreign intelligence agency, the General Directorate for External Security, known by its French-language acronym as the DGSE.

The former officer, according to one rebel source, is an explosives expert who fought in Afghanistan and in Syria with al Qaida and had assembled a group of about five men that was operating out of a mosque in Idlib.

The French operative is “still alive and kicking” after the airstrikes, said one European intelligence official, who described the man as “highly trained in Western intelligence trade-craft and explosives.” The combination of Western-style intelligence training and devout jihadist beliefs made him among the most dangerous of al Qaida operatives, the intelligence official said.

It was unknown whether the former officer’s al Qaida sympathies were missed during the French vetting process or manifested themselves later.

Four European intelligence agents from a variety of countries with a range of knowledge of the situation were able to confirm or partially confirm the French agent’s existence. All declined to speak for attribution because of the sensitive nature of the information and because they feared being charged criminally in their home countries for revealing classified information. One called the existence of the French officer “absolutely top secret.”

“I’m rather appalled I’m even having this conversation,” he said.

“We don’t know if he was sleeper [agent] or radicalized after he joined the service,” said another European intelligence official familiar with the man’s background. “I assume my French colleagues are working hard to determine that and if they have figured it out, they certainly aren’t sharing how they ended up in this mess, which as you could expect they find rather embarrassing.”

Two European intelligence sources provided the man’s name but asked that it not be published – one cited possible violence in France against the man’s family. Both independently provided the same name.

When reached for comment on the situation, a U.S. intelligence official refused to provide any information.

Three attempts to discuss the matter with French intelligence services were rebuffed. “There is no way I am going to discuss this matter” was one response.

An intelligence official from a third country, who said that his familiarity with the situation stemmed only from casual conversation and not from an official briefing, said the situation represents an “epic nightmare that we have so far been spared.”

“We’ve seen Arab partners lose well trained people to these groups, and in a handful of cases those defectors have benefited from our training through partnership programs,” he said. “It’s the cost of doing business when you aid some of our regional allies.”

But the French officer’s defection, he said, is the first he’d heard of by “someone with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training.”

“As embarrassed as the French must be right now, it should be pointed out that the French services are highly regarded within the intelligence community as consummate and loyal professionals,” he said. “This failure, and I do believe this happened, must be seen in the context as an outlier and not anything systematic about the French services.”

One European official directly familiar with the case said the partial confusion over the man’s resume – which has been alternately described as French Special Forces, military intelligence or DGSE – probably stems from the overlapping “seconding” process where specialists move between branches of the government on a fairly regular basis.

“It sounds likely he started as French military and maybe because of an Arabic family background and appearance, language skills and a high degree of competency, he would then be loaned out to different aspects of the French services,” the European official said. “Everyone does that all the time,” he said, citing as an example a member of the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command being assigned to the CIA.

For their part, Syrian rebels, who are already furious at the United States for not notifying them in advance about the strikes and for not including Assad government facilities among the targets, expressed puzzlement at why the U.S. government hadn’t approached them about trying to seize the man.

But a European intelligence official said the decision to try to strike the defector with a missile rather than capture him was in part to keep the French agent’s existence a secret. “Perhaps some problems are best buried forever under a pile of rubble,” he said.



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he is a former explosives expert with an Arab family and his movements are being closely watched by Western authorities.


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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/05/242218_sources-us-air-strikes-in-syria.html?sp=/99/117/&rh=1#storylink=cpy

A high ranking intelligence agent defecting to a rogue paramilitary group? Maybe he's a triple agent?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-10-05 23:46:59
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You could have just put this in the ISIS thread.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2014-10-06 01:05:41
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Except this has nothing to do with ISIS.
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
don't worry, give it a few pages to derail there!

P&R is usually good Benghazi about staying on topic abortion. It's not like people global warming just bring up hot-button topics in threads feminism where they don't belong.
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
don't worry, give it a few pages to derail there!

P&R is usually good Benghazi about staying on topic abortion. It's not like people global warming just bring up hot-button topics in threads feminism where they don't belong.

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By Jetackuu 2014-10-06 03:35:50
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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don't worry, give it a few pages to derail there!

P&R is usually good Benghazi about staying on topic abortion. It's not like people global warming just bring up hot-button topics in threads feminism where they don't belong.
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Thanks Obama
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 06:40:40
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Shouldn't the title say

"French Intelligence Officer Surrenders to Al Qaida"?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 06:44:48
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You lost me at "French Intelligence".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 06:47:28
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You lost me at "French Intelligence".
Well, the French did give us croissants. There's got to be "some" intelligence there.
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Didn't the French basically win our revolutionary war for us against the British? I feel like American schools underplay that fact as a kind of subtle propoganda that we won despite overwhelming odds. I mean it's a bit hard to believe our small nation with its ragtag militia and skeleton navy managed to repel the british empire which was an incredibly powerful superpower at the time, with state of the art weapons, cannons, well trained soldiers, ships etc. If it weren't for the French, we probably would not have won that war. Yeah, yeah French are cowards because they surrendered in WW2, but it wasn't like the US was going to help France anyway, at least not until Pearl Harbor years later. It's kind of an *** move, they saved our *** when we were threatened, yet when they were threatened we kind of ignored them, yet we consider them cowards.

20 yerS after France helped us win the war, they the selves were in a war wih the British circa 1793. The French asked for American aid but we claimed neutrality. Pretty messed up in my opinion.
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Didn't the French basically win our revolutionary war for us against the British? I feel like American schools underplay that fact as a kind of subtle propoganda that we won despite overwhelming odds. I mean it's a bit hard to believe our small nation with its ragtag militia and skeleton navy managed to repel the british empire which was an incredibly powerful superpower at the time, with state of the art weapons, cannons, well trained soldiers, ships etc. If it weren't for the French, we probably would not have won that war. Yeah, yeah French are cowards because they surrendered in WW2, but it wasn't like the US was going to help France anyway, at least not until Pearl Harbor years later. It's kind of an *** move, they saved our *** when we were threatened, yet when they were threatened we kind of ignored them, yet we consider them cowards.
Nobody is denying the French involvement with the America Revolution, but it's not like the French actually fought that war.

The Americans had to training, firepower, and more importantly, the will to win, while the French just supplied us on a reduced note loan.

But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. The only war they really won on was the French Revolution, which is basically a French vs. French fight.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 07:11:24
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The French didn't win our revolutionary war for us, but they did help. Regardless, it's just a stereotype played out for fun. Kind of like how all Americans are fat.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2014-10-06 07:13:07
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Meh, they went billions into debt for that aid, then 20 years later when they were at war with the British and asked for our help in 1793 we were like "lolnope" and claimed neutrality.
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Billions didn't exist in 1793.
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By Blazed1979 2014-10-06 07:37:54
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Highwynn said: »
Didn't the French basically win our revolutionary war for us against the British? I feel like American schools underplay that fact as a kind of subtle propoganda that we won despite overwhelming odds. I mean it's a bit hard to believe our small nation with its ragtag militia and skeleton navy managed to repel the british empire which was an incredibly powerful superpower at the time, with state of the art weapons, cannons, well trained soldiers, ships etc. If it weren't for the French, we probably would not have won that war. Yeah, yeah French are cowards because they surrendered in WW2, but it wasn't like the US was going to help France anyway, at least not until Pearl Harbor years later. It's kind of an *** move, they saved our *** when we were threatened, yet when they were threatened we kind of ignored them, yet we consider them cowards.
Nobody is denying the French involvement with the America Revolution, but it's not like the French actually fought that war.

The Americans had to training, firepower, and more importantly, the will to win, while the French just supplied us on a reduced note loan.

But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. The only war they really won on was the French Revolution, which is basically a French vs. French fight.

Have you ever read ANY European history?
The French lost pretty much all their wars.. this is hilarious.
Most countries and civilizations in Europe aren't 200-300 years old Einstein.
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"The military history of France encompasses an immense panorama of conflicts and struggles extending for more than 2,000 years across areas including modern France, the European continent, and a variety of regions throughout the world."
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By Blazed1979 2014-10-06 07:47:26
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
The French didn't win our revolutionary war for us, but they did help. Regardless, it's just a stereotype played out for fun. Kind of like how all Americans are fat.

"As the 18th century advanced, global competition with Great Britain led to the Seven Years' War, where France lost its North American holdings. Consolation came in the form of dominance in Europe and the American Revolutionary War, where extensive French aid in the form of money and arms, and the direct participation of its army and navy led to America's independence.[1] "
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-10-06 07:49:21
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Highwynn said: »
Didn't the French basically win our revolutionary war for us against the British? I feel like American schools underplay that fact as a kind of subtle propoganda that we won despite overwhelming odds. I mean it's a bit hard to believe our small nation with its ragtag militia and skeleton navy managed to repel the british empire which was an incredibly powerful superpower at the time, with state of the art weapons, cannons, well trained soldiers, ships etc. If it weren't for the French, we probably would not have won that war. Yeah, yeah French are cowards because they surrendered in WW2, but it wasn't like the US was going to help France anyway, at least not until Pearl Harbor years later. It's kind of an *** move, they saved our *** when we were threatened, yet when they were threatened we kind of ignored them, yet we consider them cowards.
Nobody is denying the French involvement with the America Revolution, but it's not like the French actually fought that war.

The Americans had to training, firepower, and more importantly, the will to win, while the French just supplied us on a reduced note loan.

But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. The only war they really won on was the French Revolution, which is basically a French vs. French fight.
What?

France had an alliance with the US. They provided soliders, ships, and weapons.

Exactly what do they teach in US history classes now?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-American_alliance
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War
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By Voren 2014-10-06 07:50:17
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Weren't the French at one point, if not originally, Gauls which split to become Franks and Scandinavian? I could have that mixed a bit, fairly sure about Gauls/Franks.

If so, that's at minimum dating back past Cesar at least to 200B.C.

Pretty long history of warfare.
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Anyone else starting to get the feeling that blazed and maldini is the same person?
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Highwynn said: »
Didn't the French basically win our revolutionary war for us against the British? I feel like American schools underplay that fact as a kind of subtle propoganda that we won despite overwhelming odds. I mean it's a bit hard to believe our small nation with its ragtag militia and skeleton navy managed to repel the british empire which was an incredibly powerful superpower at the time, with state of the art weapons, cannons, well trained soldiers, ships etc. If it weren't for the French, we probably would not have won that war. Yeah, yeah French are cowards because they surrendered in WW2, but it wasn't like the US was going to help France anyway, at least not until Pearl Harbor years later. It's kind of an *** move, they saved our *** when we were threatened, yet when they were threatened we kind of ignored them, yet we consider them cowards.
Nobody is denying the French involvement with the America Revolution, but it's not like the French actually fought that war.

The Americans had to training, firepower, and more importantly, the will to win, while the French just supplied us on a reduced note loan.

But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. The only war they really won on was the French Revolution, which is basically a French vs. French fight.
What?

France had an alliance with the US. They provided soliders, ships, and weapons.

Exactly what do they teach in US history classes now?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-American_alliance
So Kara, you saying that France fought in the American Revolution? Last I checked, France did not declare war against Britain over this issue.

I guess history got revised to say that though. For you at least.
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Highwynn said: »
Didn't the French basically win our revolutionary war for us against the British? I feel like American schools underplay that fact as a kind of subtle propoganda that we won despite overwhelming odds. I mean it's a bit hard to believe our small nation with its ragtag militia and skeleton navy managed to repel the british empire which was an incredibly powerful superpower at the time, with state of the art weapons, cannons, well trained soldiers, ships etc. If it weren't for the French, we probably would not have won that war. Yeah, yeah French are cowards because they surrendered in WW2, but it wasn't like the US was going to help France anyway, at least not until Pearl Harbor years later. It's kind of an *** move, they saved our *** when we were threatened, yet when they were threatened we kind of ignored them, yet we consider them cowards.
Nobody is denying the French involvement with the America Revolution, but it's not like the French actually fought that war.

The Americans had to training, firepower, and more importantly, the will to win, while the French just supplied us on a reduced note loan.

But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. The only war they really won on was the French Revolution, which is basically a French vs. French fight.
What?

France had an alliance with the US. They provided soliders, ships, and weapons.

Exactly what do they teach in US history classes now?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-American_alliance
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War

That slaves should have just run and the Civil War wasn't primarily about slavery.
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So Kara, you saying that France fought in the American Revolution? Last I checked, France did not declare war against Britain over this issue.

I guess history got revised to say that though. For you at least.
Yes, actually, France did fight in the American Revolution

Britain declared war on France on March 17, 1778 after France recognized the US as an indpendent nation and signed a treaty.
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Blazed1979 said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Highwynn said: »
Didn't the French basically win our revolutionary war for us against the British? I feel like American schools underplay that fact as a kind of subtle propoganda that we won despite overwhelming odds. I mean it's a bit hard to believe our small nation with its ragtag militia and skeleton navy managed to repel the british empire which was an incredibly powerful superpower at the time, with state of the art weapons, cannons, well trained soldiers, ships etc. If it weren't for the French, we probably would not have won that war. Yeah, yeah French are cowards because they surrendered in WW2, but it wasn't like the US was going to help France anyway, at least not until Pearl Harbor years later. It's kind of an *** move, they saved our *** when we were threatened, yet when they were threatened we kind of ignored them, yet we consider them cowards.
Nobody is denying the French involvement with the America Revolution, but it's not like the French actually fought that war.

The Americans had to training, firepower, and more importantly, the will to win, while the French just supplied us on a reduced note loan.

But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. The only war they really won on was the French Revolution, which is basically a French vs. French fight.

Have you ever read ANY European history?
The French lost pretty much all their wars.. this is hilarious.
Most countries and civilizations in Europe aren't 200-300 years old Einstein.

Oh god, hang on I have a video that sums you up.

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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 08:06:57
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Voren said: »
Weren't the French at one point, if not originally, Gauls which split to become Franks and Scandinavian? I could have that mixed a bit, fairly sure about Gauls/Franks.

If so, that's at minimum dating back past Cesar at least to 200B.C.

Pretty long history of warfare.
My city is the oldest city in the country, it's over 2600yo.

We've had wars ever since.

But, ya, I wouldn't expect the average American to know anything about England, France and other just as important empires of the past from the East of Europe. I believe their education does not cover all (if any) of this, so unless they have the taste for knowledge, they won't bother knowing about all of that.

For us in EU it's pretty common as we all have common roots, we'll know what other countries went through whether we study our own history or theirs.

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I don't remember the colonization map correctly (it's like 14 years old in my mind), but if I remember correctly, Germany and France had the most colonies at the time of colonization. England was third.

So, if you REALLY want to count victory, and meaningful one, the three countries listed above are the only countries that came close to proper world domination.

Then compare this with the little stuff you do in Vietnam and other cool places and you might (might is a big word here) understand that when it comes to victories, the USA of nowadays and the EU countries of yesterday aren't in the same league at all, and never will be given the state of the World from now on.

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Regardless, it's just a stereotype played out for fun. Kind of like how all Americans are fat.
Yeah, the joke itself is fine, but when you have that other idiot posting so much in this thread, it's not a joke anymore, the dude really thinks he has an idea about what he's talking, which he doesn't.
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »

But, ya, I wouldn't expect the average American to know anything about England, France and other just as important empires of the past from the East of Europe. I believe their education does not cover all (if any) of this, so unless they have the taste for knowledge, they won't bother knowing about all of that.

For us in EU it's pretty common as we all have common roots, we'll know what other countries went through whether we study our own history or theirs.
The education quality and content varies from school district to school district, county to county, and state to state in the US.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 08:17:36
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »

But, ya, I wouldn't expect the average American to know anything about England, France and other just as important empires of the past from the East of Europe. I believe their education does not cover all (if any) of this, so unless they have the taste for knowledge, they won't bother knowing about all of that.

For us in EU it's pretty common as we all have common roots, we'll know what other countries went through whether we study our own history or theirs.
The education quality and content varies from school district to school district, county to county, and state to state in the US.
Yeah their "small country" system makes a wild difference when talking to various people from America about what they learned.

We have slight variations between schools here, but they are small variations, the big lines are followed by all schools in the country.
Like, an English teacher for example can do whatever he wants with the year's program, but he still has to go through X and Y, as dictated by the national program.
So you'll have X weeks of random stuff he deems necessary for you to learn but you'll have Y weeks targeted at government imposed things to learn. So in the end, everyone will learn the same things every year.

I wonder why they don't have this.

Then again, the French school system is different from others and is usually pointed as a very bad one.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 10:13:25
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So Kara, you saying that France fought in the American Revolution? Last I checked, France did not declare war against Britain over this issue.

I guess history got revised to say that though. For you at least.
Yes, actually, France did fight in the American Revolution

Britain declared war on France on March 17, 1778 after France recognized the US as an indpendent nation and signed a treaty.
I apologize then, I did not know that little tidbit.
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