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It depends where you live, this is what I pointed out several times. In France, nobody points at the Jews, but he Jews point at everyone, at all time. There is no persecution or whatever against them, they are the ones harassing. So, in France's situation, you have no neo-nazi, you have no racists, you have no Arabs attacking Jews (they live peacefully together for the most part). See, your explanation can never completely explain/defend what I pointed, because of the data you lack.

Oh I'm sure not everyone is, I would say that the average American actually doesn't give a ***because it's too far away, and he/she would be 100% correct in thinking that way. America, much like any other country, has a lot of internal issues and it would be much better to focus on them first. In the case of Israel/Palestine, the US is pretty much bound anyway, it's superfluous to worry about it.

Yeah. They managed to dismiss the apartheid and the Americas genocides, among other genocides. They're good at playing the victims.

I'm pro year-round schooling, or at least shortening the summer break to a month.

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Senkyuutai, I'm not trying to say that everyone who brings up the Holocaust is antisemitic, and you're right, I'm not familiar with French discussion on this. What I'm saying, and you can't deny this, is that many people who are antisemitic also try to debate aspects of the Holocaust, to try and downplay the suffering of the Jews during that time, or to fit some conspiracy theory. The French have deep-rooted hatred against the Jews and their own share of blame in what happened, so that might color the discussion of the Holocaust in France as well.

There's good debate to be had on why non-Jewish Holocaust victims don't get the attention, but in a respectful way that doesn't have some kind of hateful agenda behind it.

And I disagree that the US is bound to the Israel-Palestine conflict. More and more Americans are starting to feel like me, that we can let those two sides fight it out amongst ourselves.

Us Americans on the whole are absolutely deluded and in deep denial about the American genocide of Native-Americans, and the enslavement of Africans. We as a nation just refuse to see ourselves as being anything less than the "Good Guy". The fact that this country was stolen from indigenous people, who were then massacred, and built on the backs of another group of people who were kidnapped and treated as property rather than humans, that just doesn't sit well with our American psyche. We have a national Holocaust museum, but no national museum to slavery or the Indians. These things are our great shame, along with things like the internment of the Japanese and the backhanded support of South African apartheid.

For Americans, the Holocaust is a convenient tragedy, one we can point at and say "look at those bad Nazis, we saved the day".

Oy vey!

yeah it just struck me as a funny solution to the current situation...

not that she meant it that way, or anyone else understood it that way. but this is a thread about a crisis that is happening right now.... /shrug

So have y'all found a final solution to this problem yet?

I don't think there's been talk of a soultion... well a realistic one at least (wiping out the populace on either side is not a soulution)... Mostly just fingerpointing and mudslinging...

how about both sides?

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I could not stop laughing when she slammed Selena Gomez hahaha

The less money someone, a group, an organization, or a country has, the less support it gets. Hence the boycotts.

Once again money controlling morality.

The same final solution we do every night:

You are right but I disagree that people try to "downplay the suffering of the Jews". I think that the general movement of people telling them to be quiet is because they are way too loud to begin with, whether the people telling them are anti semite, or not. Cause, effect. I have never met a black person in my life that kept going on his whole life because his ancestors were slaves. The same way, I have never met a gipsy that cried about being one and other persecussions. I could go on, really, seeing all the communities that my city gathers. The past is past, let's not make the same mistake but let's not keep bringing it up again and again. It is once again superfluous.

The Jews in France aren't hated by default or in general. We do have expressions toward rich or egotist people, calling them Jews, yes, but that's mild as French people easily insult each other, we are much less uptight in that regard (I felt the same when I went to Italy and Spain, the people from there that I know are the same, maybe is it a typical south of Europe thing?). We have a lot of communities living together without hate. Black, Arabs and Jews all live together where I come from, along with Armenians, Gipsies and snow whites.

That being said, it would be foolish to ignore that the Jews are controlling a lot of things in France and that they do indeed earn hatred because of the way they control these things (namely: TV/entertainment, politics, justice, state council). Things aren't black and white and it takes a lot of time to grasp the grey.

This debate is unfortunately a big headache as I have personally never seen anyone rise and try to talk about it. We have a few guys in France who raise this question very often but they're dismissed as anti-semite just for asking this question. This is the world we live in. You can question black history and you'll get your fair share of blunt, disgusting answers, but questioning the Jew history is suicide/won't go anywhere.

There is a big double standard and it doesn't help the Jews' situation.

By bound I meant that the US cannot do anything. I did call the US "Israel #2", and this is what I meant.

It's very simple, there are 2 points to take into consideration here:

- The US protects Israel. If the US was to position itself against Israel, Israel would disappear within days. Every single Arab country around it would either bomb it or invade it, right away, and nobody would be able to stop it nor would anyone punish it. Israel wanted their own land, but they picked a land that is right in the middle of MANY countries that are looking out for the first opening to wipe them out, and rightfully so after so many years. They can taunt all they want right now, they can blow up Gaza, but if the US was to not back them up anymore, they're gone.
Therefore, the US is forced to back up Israel, but they can't get too involved either as it would solidify their position as the #1 world bully. They're trying to dissipate this image of themselves until they can attack Iran or whichever other country, if they can. Because with what happened with Russia, the US might already be behind enough to only be able to bark from now on.

- The US would lose Israel as an ally and literally the whole Europe (or close to) if they backed up Palestine. Also, the US cannot possibly back up Palestine as in the mind of their citizens, they're terrotists on par with the ones that did 9/11.
The US is already in a difficult situation due to Russia and China, it would be suicide to back them up.

Because of these reasons, the US will stay a spectator. If they were to get involved, it would escalate to a huge conflict, if not global. This is why I keep saying that this isn't about Israel and Palestine, it's much, much bigger than people here expect/think.

It's a weird feeling/mentality to me, and while I can kind of understand it, I'd feel really bad inside if I was in such situation. Everyone makes mistakes, the key is to learn from them to not repeat them and apologise properly. Time will do the rest.

Here in EU we're so used to be close to each other, to be made of each other (I'm 50% German and 50% Italian myself, yet I'm 100% French) that we do not even think of the old disputes and massacres. Only here where I live, in England, do I meet people that call me a frog and ask me "do you hate us English because of what happened in the past?". German people I meet do not care, Italian do not care, Spanish do not care. Hell, even in Algeria people do not care.

As I said above, I think people should accept the past and simply not repeat it. No museum is fine, but being willingly blind will only make people repeat their mistakes.

Here it's a way to make oven/train jokes and also a way to be sent to the hospital within minutes, or to the morgue.

Comedians used to make jokes about Jews/Holocaust all the time until the end of the 90's, it was just an old event we had all moved on from, but it's been a decade now that people are determined to bringing it back as a nowadays feeling. I really don't like that.

I haven't talked about it with my grandmothers, maybe I should. They've both lived WWII when they were young women but they don't seem to have too much problems with it, even though one of them is a German living in the deepest part of France but with no sign of racism toward her.

Challah at me I've got hummus.

So, a 12 hour cease-fire, how long will it take Hamas to break it this time?

Can someone explain to me how signing into anything will stop two peoples from warring when they have been so for generations? I swear this stupid facebook generation chain mail crap. Nothing we can do will stop this, it has to be them sitting down and talking and making a vow to stop the violence...

Another proof of Israel lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2DYtd_-KZQ

Isn't this act the main reason gaza is being under attack at the moment ? Cause on news here they said this was the event that motivated the start of this war.


ps: english translation of the video on the youtube comment.

Weren't you leaving?

I had to answer your previous question:



A lie from Israel to manipulate people and start a war as usual.

They kidnapped and murdered 3 Israeli kids, but since they had no political agenda, everything is ok? Go away.

Did you watch the video and read the translation? If they lied about how the kids got sadly killed, I doubt they would tell the truth about who killed them.

And the 15 days of the Bring Back our boys campaign wasn't a way to manipulate people's opinion ?

Did you watch the video and read the translation? If they lied about how the kids got sadly killed, I doubt they would tell the truth about who killed them.

And the 15 days of the Bring Back our boys campaign wasn't a way to manipulate people's opinion ?

12 hours.

I would ask you the same in this thread.

Wait, are propaganda YouTube videos considered undeniable proof nowadays? Looks like I have some videos to make.