Hi, friendly neighborhood modmin here.
I've changed the OP's rule listing, to add:
"Along those lines, heat is fine, but sustained, clearly personal hostility is not okay. The personal attack rules still apply. Attack positions, not posters. Failure to adhere to this will result in your removal from the thread."
I know this place gets heated and there are clear factions and people have histories with each other, but the rules do still apply. There's been a real rash of vitriol lately that's been on the border of attacks without really crossing it, which means people are ignoring the spirit of the rule while adhering to the letter of it.
So, I changed the letter of the rule! Carry on.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Probably won't do you any good, moderation is too forgiving towards the liberal front here where they are willing to topicban one insult made by a conservative but a liberal can make all the insults they want....
This is more a function of who does the reporting. I get a lot more reports on the conservative posts.
My response to a lot of it has been "eh, walk it off", but the law of numbers says that when some get acted on, if there's a majority on one side of report type, it'll be the type that appears to be favored from a policy angle.
I don't moderate according to any political position, and I would be pretty surprised if any of you could actually guess my real politics at all.
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
It's not a law, it wasn't this year, it had nothing to do with the tea party, and I keep waiting for you to come up with someone, anyone else who has A.) reached the same conclusion as you did about this bill and then B.) connected in some way with the tea party and then C.) clung to it like the edge of one of the lifeboats of the titanic for four years as proof of some point about authoritarianism.
You're just being obtuse. Aman constantly conflates left with authoritarian and right with libertarian, they are not parallel gradients, they are different vectors. I said the right, including the so called "freedom loving" Tea Party are authoritarian as well because they have tried to enact laws that limit people's freedom. I was asked to provide an example, HR3 was it. A lot, introduced and sponsored by Tea Party members that would have essentially banned abortion, conflicting with Roe v Wade. The fact that I've had to explain that to 3 different people across 4 pages is ridiculous. If you disagree with my interpretation of that law, fine, let's move on, but don't try and make me out as a fruitcake, because that was the justice department's conclusion of the law as well.
Drama Torama said: »
I don't moderate according to any political position, and I would be pretty surprised if any of you could actually guess my real politics at all.
We all know you're a filthy pinko.
Drama Torama said: »
I would be pretty surprised if any of you could actually guess my real politics at all.
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Odin.Jassik said: »
don't try and make me out as a fruitcake.
Fruitcake and last word junkie
An interesting read on just how effective anti-bullying laws are.
Tenafly family’s lawyer says settlement with school district over bullying lawsuit is near
Quote:
A settlement is in the works for the parents of a school district pupil who claim their son was wrongly accused by the district of bullying and that his civil rights were violated, according to the family attorney.
In addition to a $21,000 payment towards legal fees, the agreement calls for documents related to the litigation to be removed from the child’s record and rendered ineligible for use as a platform for progressive discipline, said F. Michael Daily, the attorney representing the parents..
The settlement was not yet formalized Monday by the court, according to both Daily and the school district. In a letter to the court, Daily noted it was the result of mediation previously orderd by a judge.
Both schools Superintendent Lyn Trager and the district business administrator said they could not confirm that a settlement is in the works, but that more information would have to be obtained with Stephen Fogarty, the attorney for the school district. Fogarty did not return numerous calls.
The complaint was brought in the U.S. District Court of New Jersey in 2012 by Woi Cheng Lim and Linwen Mao, the parents of an elementary school student, against school guidance counselor Sandra Massaro, Trager and Christopher Cerf, the former state commissioner of education.
Lim and Mao assert in their complaint that their son suffered emotional distress after the school labeled him a bully.
The case stems from an incident in September 2011 when a note was sent home by the school nurse informing parents that one of the children in the school had lice. Shortly thereafter, the boy in question was seated at a table with several students and he identified one of the girls as the one with head lice, according to the lawsuit, which provides the following account:
The girl complained to a teacher, who instructed the boy to apologize. He apologized but the incident was reported to Massaro, the school’s bullying specialist, and she formally investigated the incident. After interviewing the boy, she prepared a written report. It found that the boy had “committed an act of bullying within the meaning of NJSA 18:37-14, of the New Jersey Anti-Bullying Statute and the HIB policy of the Board of Education of the Borough of Tenafly,” said the lawsuit.
The report found that the boy’s comment was bullying because, although what he said was true, it insulted the girl and made her feel bad, school officials said. The boy was then required to meet Massaro at lunch and discuss a book title “Just Kidding,” a story about situations where jokes can hurt feelings.
His teacher also was required to lecture students about the need to be kind to each other, which ironically embarrassed the boy in front of his classmates as everyone was able to deduce that he was the one who had generated the reprimand, said the lawsuit.
The boy’s bullying was memorialized in a formal resolution by the Board of Education in December 2011.
The lawsuit asserts that as a result of all of the above, the boy was permanently stigmatized as an individual who had engaged in a “harmful” behavior. Consequently, he sustained emotional pain.
As a result of the defendants’ actions, said the parents in the lawsuit, the boy has been permanently stigmatized as a “bully” and chilled from engaging in speech and other modes of protected expression and he therefore continues to suffer injury, both irreparable and otherwise.
In affirming the decision, the defendant Commissioner of Education conceded that the case “stretched the definition of HTB to the outer edge of legislative intent but noted that districts are struggling to find the right balance between common sense and the highly respective provisions of the law,” noted the lawsuit.
Daily said such lawsuits have been on the rise ever since the anti-bullying laws were toughened in response to the tragedy involving Tyler Clemente, an 18-year-old Rutgers student who jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge in September 2010 after being subjected to video spying by other students. Daily added that he is currently handling two bullying cases. Some attorneys are capitalizing on the trend by advertising that they handle bullying cases. “New Jersey has the most severe anti-bullying statute in the country,” he said. “It’s driving school personnel crazy and costing a lot of money. It’s turning into a cottage industry.”
The wording in the bullying statute is ambiguous, which is why a joke or innocuous comment can land someone in big trouble for bullying, even if they aren’t on school grounds, he said.
In addition to a $21,000 payment towards legal fees, the agreement calls for documents related to the litigation to be removed from the child’s record and rendered ineligible for use as a platform for progressive discipline, said F. Michael Daily, the attorney representing the parents..
The settlement was not yet formalized Monday by the court, according to both Daily and the school district. In a letter to the court, Daily noted it was the result of mediation previously orderd by a judge.
Both schools Superintendent Lyn Trager and the district business administrator said they could not confirm that a settlement is in the works, but that more information would have to be obtained with Stephen Fogarty, the attorney for the school district. Fogarty did not return numerous calls.
The complaint was brought in the U.S. District Court of New Jersey in 2012 by Woi Cheng Lim and Linwen Mao, the parents of an elementary school student, against school guidance counselor Sandra Massaro, Trager and Christopher Cerf, the former state commissioner of education.
Lim and Mao assert in their complaint that their son suffered emotional distress after the school labeled him a bully.
The case stems from an incident in September 2011 when a note was sent home by the school nurse informing parents that one of the children in the school had lice. Shortly thereafter, the boy in question was seated at a table with several students and he identified one of the girls as the one with head lice, according to the lawsuit, which provides the following account:
The girl complained to a teacher, who instructed the boy to apologize. He apologized but the incident was reported to Massaro, the school’s bullying specialist, and she formally investigated the incident. After interviewing the boy, she prepared a written report. It found that the boy had “committed an act of bullying within the meaning of NJSA 18:37-14, of the New Jersey Anti-Bullying Statute and the HIB policy of the Board of Education of the Borough of Tenafly,” said the lawsuit.
The report found that the boy’s comment was bullying because, although what he said was true, it insulted the girl and made her feel bad, school officials said. The boy was then required to meet Massaro at lunch and discuss a book title “Just Kidding,” a story about situations where jokes can hurt feelings.
His teacher also was required to lecture students about the need to be kind to each other, which ironically embarrassed the boy in front of his classmates as everyone was able to deduce that he was the one who had generated the reprimand, said the lawsuit.
The boy’s bullying was memorialized in a formal resolution by the Board of Education in December 2011.
The lawsuit asserts that as a result of all of the above, the boy was permanently stigmatized as an individual who had engaged in a “harmful” behavior. Consequently, he sustained emotional pain.
As a result of the defendants’ actions, said the parents in the lawsuit, the boy has been permanently stigmatized as a “bully” and chilled from engaging in speech and other modes of protected expression and he therefore continues to suffer injury, both irreparable and otherwise.
In affirming the decision, the defendant Commissioner of Education conceded that the case “stretched the definition of HTB to the outer edge of legislative intent but noted that districts are struggling to find the right balance between common sense and the highly respective provisions of the law,” noted the lawsuit.
Daily said such lawsuits have been on the rise ever since the anti-bullying laws were toughened in response to the tragedy involving Tyler Clemente, an 18-year-old Rutgers student who jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge in September 2010 after being subjected to video spying by other students. Daily added that he is currently handling two bullying cases. Some attorneys are capitalizing on the trend by advertising that they handle bullying cases. “New Jersey has the most severe anti-bullying statute in the country,” he said. “It’s driving school personnel crazy and costing a lot of money. It’s turning into a cottage industry.”
The wording in the bullying statute is ambiguous, which is why a joke or innocuous comment can land someone in big trouble for bullying, even if they aren’t on school grounds, he said.
I think I just had an aneurysm out of the sheer stupidity of that law, and it's application.
As if I needed another reason to stay out of Jersey.
As if I needed another reason to stay out of Jersey.
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wow a 21k lawsuit for saying someone has lice ? There goes free speech out the window. Honest question, when is the revolution going to start ? we can't talk the way we want to talk anymore,lol
Vectivus said: »
wow a 21k lawsuit for saying someone has lice ? There goes free speech out the window. Honest question, when is the revolution going to start ? we can't talk the way we want to talk anymore,lol
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I'm going to start saying more positive things about posters here.
Aman rules!
Aman rules!
Drama Torama said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Probably won't do you any good, moderation is too forgiving towards the liberal front here where they are willing to topicban one insult made by a conservative but a liberal can make all the insults they want....
This is more a function of who does the reporting. I get a lot more reports on the conservative posts.
My response to a lot of it has been "eh, walk it off", but the law of numbers says that when some get acted on, if there's a majority on one side of report type, it'll be the type that appears to be favored from a policy angle.
I don't moderate according to any political position, and I would be pretty surprised if any of you could actually guess my real politics at all.
policies included:
Drama Torama said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Probably won't do you any good, moderation is too forgiving towards the liberal front here where they are willing to topicban one insult made by a conservative but a liberal can make all the insults they want....
This is more a function of who does the reporting. I get a lot more reports on the conservative posts.
My response to a lot of it has been "eh, walk it off", but the law of numbers says that when some get acted on, if there's a majority on one side of report type, it'll be the type that appears to be favored from a policy angle.
I don't moderate according to any political position, and I would be pretty surprised if any of you could actually guess my real politics at all.
I've never reported someone, but if there's a scale that needs balancing....
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Cerberus.Josiahfk said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
I'm going to start saying more positive things about posters here.
Aman rules!
Aman rules!
No one said anything along the lines of forcing people to compliment others, but instead expecting our being grown adults capable of healthy discussion.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/22624/the-user-above-me
Nope, you don't have to say anything good about anyone there. This is the thread you're looking for.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Drama Torama said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Probably won't do you any good, moderation is too forgiving towards the liberal front here where they are willing to topicban one insult made by a conservative but a liberal can make all the insults they want....
This is more a function of who does the reporting. I get a lot more reports on the conservative posts.
My response to a lot of it has been "eh, walk it off", but the law of numbers says that when some get acted on, if there's a majority on one side of report type, it'll be the type that appears to be favored from a policy angle.
I don't moderate according to any political position, and I would be pretty surprised if any of you could actually guess my real politics at all.
I've never reported someone, but if there's a scale that needs balancing....
Cerberus.Josiahfk said: »
I am confident you can just discuss ideas and topics without resorting to straight up attacking whoever you're conversing with.
No one said anything along the lines of forcing people to compliment others, but instead expecting our being grown adults capable of healthy discussion.
No one said anything along the lines of forcing people to compliment others, but instead expecting our being grown adults capable of healthy discussion.
I fall under the passionate category....
i find it kind of bad that people think conspiracy is a something to laugh about or disregard as nonsense the definition is
"the action of plotting or conspiring. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
in my opinion if you think about it without a biased view of the word that's our entire History of human civilization. A conspiracy means more than one person doing something for some purpose. Think about it seriously. Hell our founding fathers conspired to leave a empire, the Federal reserve was conspired about by very wealthy individuals and a senator. the black hand a ( terrorist group) conspired to assassinate archduke Francis Ferdinand which help start world war 1, its goes on and on. i do not find anything at all about the word conspiracy as something to laugh about or disregard as nonsense . When you can look at a lot of significant history and there are more than 1 person organizing and involved in a action or purpose.
"the action of plotting or conspiring. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
in my opinion if you think about it without a biased view of the word that's our entire History of human civilization. A conspiracy means more than one person doing something for some purpose. Think about it seriously. Hell our founding fathers conspired to leave a empire, the Federal reserve was conspired about by very wealthy individuals and a senator. the black hand a ( terrorist group) conspired to assassinate archduke Francis Ferdinand which help start world war 1, its goes on and on. i do not find anything at all about the word conspiracy as something to laugh about or disregard as nonsense . When you can look at a lot of significant history and there are more than 1 person organizing and involved in a action or purpose.
Vectivus said: »
i find it kind of bad that people think conspiracy is a something to laugh about or disregard as nonsense the definition is
"the action of plotting or conspiring. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
in my opinion if you think about it without a biased view of the word that's our entire History of human civilization. A conspiracy means more than one person doing something for some purpose. Think about it seriously. Hell our founding fathers conspired to leave a empire, the Federal reserve was conspired about by very wealthy individuals and a senator. the black hand a ( terrorist group) conspired to assassinate archduke Francis Ferdinand which help start world war 1, its goes on and on. i do not find anything at all about the word conspiracy as something to laugh about or disregard as nonsense . When you can look at a lot of significant history and there are more than 1 person organizing and involved in a action or purpose.
"the action of plotting or conspiring. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
in my opinion if you think about it without a biased view of the word that's our entire History of human civilization. A conspiracy means more than one person doing something for some purpose. Think about it seriously. Hell our founding fathers conspired to leave a empire, the Federal reserve was conspired about by very wealthy individuals and a senator. the black hand a ( terrorist group) conspired to assassinate archduke Francis Ferdinand which help start world war 1, its goes on and on. i do not find anything at all about the word conspiracy as something to laugh about or disregard as nonsense . When you can look at a lot of significant history and there are more than 1 person organizing and involved in a action or purpose.
You confuse what people laugh at: conspiracy theory with conspiracy.
Since we're using definitions (sorta):
conspiracy theory
Examples
noun
1.
a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2.
the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.
Do you not see why conspiracy theories are generally met with ridicule?
so what i think your saying with what you posted is that we are supposed to laugh at people who question those who conspire for an action or purpose whatever the end may be. I would rather question and call out stuff like that, why does everything have to be so secretive to the mass populace ? What do the people conspiring have to fear of the general public's opinion ?
Vectivus said: »
why does everything have to be so secretive to the mass populace ?
I wonder if he will get it
Quotes are a man's best friend.
legislatively ? a big one i can think of is the trans pacific partnership, hell even our own congress does not know whats in the bill and you get folks like nancy pelosi here,lol
Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"
in my opinion i think thats a really bad idea to play russian roulette with secret legislation.
Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"
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in my opinion i think thats a really bad idea to play russian roulette with secret legislation.
Vectivus said: »
so what i think your saying with what you posted is that we are supposed to laugh at people who question those who conspire for an action or purpose whatever the end may be. I would rather question and call out stuff like that, why does everything have to be so secretive to the mass populace ? What do the people conspiring have to fear of the general public's opinion ?
thanks, i think everyone has room for improvement as well.
Cerberus.Josiahfk said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I fall under the passionate category....
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
It's the passionate ones, the ones who think you are personally attacking them by rebutting their viewpoints, and the conspiracy theory followers who attack.
Vectivus said: »
a big one i can think of is the trans pacific partnership
No, what you don't understand is your whole phrase: "Secrets from the mass population." I asked you what they were, and any answer you would have given me would have been counter to your point, since how can they be a secret if you know about it?
Vectivus said: »
hell even our own congress does not know whats in the bill and you get folks like nancy pelosi here,lol
Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"
Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"
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