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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-14 15:20:31
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I take cakes VERY seriously.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-14 15:45:36
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I do not tie bigotry to fear, but to close mindedness.

And yet you see so many people screaming "BIGOT!" who are just as close-minded.

You can be closed minded without being a bigot. Bigotry is intolerance of others beliefs. What is less tolerant than trying to criminalize someone else's existence?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-14 16:10:15
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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I do not tie bigotry to fear, but to close mindedness.

And yet you see so many people screaming "BIGOT!" who are just as close-minded.

You can be closed minded without being a bigot. Bigotry is intolerance of others beliefs. What is less tolerant than trying to criminalize someone else's existence?

Criminalizing someone else's existence? There certainly is some of that going on in the world, but if we're still talking about the opposition to gay marriage, then that's an extremely hyperbolic way of describing it.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-14 16:14:01
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
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I do not tie bigotry to fear, but to close mindedness.

And yet you see so many people screaming "BIGOT!" who are just as close-minded.

You can be closed minded without being a bigot. Bigotry is intolerance of others beliefs. What is less tolerant than trying to criminalize someone else's existence?

Criminalizing someone else's existence? There certainly is some of that going on in the world, but if we're still talking about the opposition to gay marriage, then that's an extremely hyperbolic way of describing it.

I was still on the Putin thing, but that would be hyperbolic anyway. But, what do you think decency or anti-sodomy lows are?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-14 16:18:22
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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I do not tie bigotry to fear, but to close mindedness.

And yet you see so many people screaming "BIGOT!" who are just as close-minded.

You can be closed minded without being a bigot. Bigotry is intolerance of others beliefs. What is less tolerant than trying to criminalize someone else's existence?

Criminalizing someone else's existence? There certainly is some of that going on in the world, but if we're still talking about the opposition to gay marriage, then that's an extremely hyperbolic way of describing it.

I was still on the Putin thing, but that would be hyperbolic anyway. But, what do you think decency or anti-sodomy lows are?

Anti-sodomy laws are definitely closer to that, but you'll have to elaborate on what you mean by decency laws.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-14 16:23:34
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Eh, maybe you won't have to elaborate. I just was having a hard time drawing the connection in my mind to what you were saying. I can see plenty of public health reasons to enforce at least some laws against public nudity.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-08-14 16:23:48
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I would posit that pies are better than cake.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-14 16:24:38
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Siren.Mosin said: »
I would posit that pies are better than cake.

What about a pie with cake in it?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-08-14 16:41:43
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You have to partially unfocus your eyes like you are looking slightly past the image. The 3d image should come into view when you find the right depth of focus.

I had a ton of Magic Eye books as a kid. Those were always really easy for me. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing with this one. From one angle it's just rows of alternating depths, so I guess if that's what I'm supposed to be seeing then I'm all good.

I never had any problems with Magic Eye books either, but I don't see anything on this one yet. It's hard to tell whether I'm beginning to see an image, or if I'm just seeing anti-aliasing artifacts in a low-res image file.
That's weird. I had no problem.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-14 16:43:08
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Now that he has to bake a cake for them, he can charge them his legal expenses and it can be perfectly legal (assuming that state commerce laws are similar to the ones in Texas), which allows a shop-owner to specify specific expenses associated with a job and/or product (aka legal expenses to bake them a cake that he didn't want to do).

That will teach him that his viewpoints should stay outside the business!
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-08-14 16:47:18
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This whole cake business is a messy recipe...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-14 17:39:00
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Or, even better, the Lil Jon mashup of that song.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-08-14 18:04:34
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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I'm moving to Soviet Russia if Hillary becomes president... At least Putin doesn't lie as much as Hillary does.

That's an incredibly high bar, but it still probably isn't true. Putin is one of the worst people currently alive.

The leaders of far left regimes tend to always be the worst people alive at the time.


You don't seem to realize the political spectrum is multi-dimensional. Putin isn't even left, he's all over the board but always extremely authoritarian. That's what makes him bad. Also, what is far left about legislating morality, big military, warmongering, aggressive expansion, big business, and privatization?

Either you know nothing about Putin's politics or you know nothing about politics.

Get this guy a 20th Century history book.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-14 18:14:36
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Eh, maybe you won't have to elaborate. I just was having a hard time drawing the connection in my mind to what you were saying. I can see plenty of public health reasons to enforce at least some laws against public nudity.

Decency laws like they have in a lot of less developed countries. Unmarried couples can't live together, premarital sex is punishable by death for women, and far more restrictive public nudity laws. Decency being whatever the current authoritarian mantra dictates.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-14 18:17:45
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
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I'm moving to Soviet Russia if Hillary becomes president... At least Putin doesn't lie as much as Hillary does.

That's an incredibly high bar, but it still probably isn't true. Putin is one of the worst people currently alive.

The leaders of far left regimes tend to always be the worst people alive at the time.


You don't seem to realize the political spectrum is multi-dimensional. Putin isn't even left, he's all over the board but always extremely authoritarian. That's what makes him bad. Also, what is far left about legislating morality, big military, warmongering, aggressive expansion, big business, and privatization?

Either you know nothing about Putin's politics or you know nothing about politics.

Get this guy a 20th Century history book.

I can't tell if you're actually sense or just being obtuse... I assume you're pulling a Godwin, so let's break this down one last time. Left and right are one vector, authoritarian and libertarian are another. Each side can overlap another, but left or right has nothing to do with the bs you keep prattling on about. FYI, your tea party masters are almost exclusively authoritarian.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-08-14 18:25:54
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Putting another of your insults aside, how does a group that wanted smaller government and less taxes in anyway Authoritarian? Or is Tea Party your catch-all much like you accuse me of doing?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-14 18:36:21
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Putting another of your insults aside, how does a group that wanted smaller government and less taxes in anyway Authoritarian? Or is Tea Party your catch-all much like you accuse me of doing?

Trying to enact laws that dictate how people can live their life... Sounds dead on.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-08-14 18:50:24
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Putting another of your insults aside, how does a group that wanted smaller government and less taxes in anyway Authoritarian? Or is Tea Party your catch-all much like you accuse me of doing?

Trying to enact laws that dictate how people can live their life... Sounds dead on.

What law was this that the "tea party" wanted to enact?

I have the feeling you are about to label some random lawmaker in a random state house a tea partier and then make a blanket statement about the Tea Party.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-08-14 18:51:17
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Although you would hilariously and cleverly use the derogatory term "tea bagger".
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-08-14 18:57:51
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Carly Fiorina as a boss: The disappointing truth
Fortune - Jeffrey Sonnenfeld (busness oriented, therefore conservative leaning. Their busness reporting is second to none.)

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Fresh from strong debate quips, Carly Fiorina has improbably raced from 14th to fifth place in the New Hampshire Republican primary polls and now enjoys a 70% favorability rating in Iowa, ahead of such career politicians as Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, George Pataki, and Lindsay Graham.

It is time to take her candidacy seriously and examine her leadership record. Having never held elected office, she has staked her reputation on her business career.

Fiorina is eager to be seen as the answer to Democratic slogans of a Republican war on women. She’s often been erroneously referred to as the first woman to lead a Fortune 500 firm, Hewlett-Packard HPQ . That title actually belongs to The Washington Post Company’s Katharine Graham. Then there are the many other trailblazing women leaders preceding Fiorina, including Beachcraft’s Olive Beach, Mattel’s Ruth Handler, Beatrice Food’s Loida Nicolas-Lewis, the Body Shop’s Anita Roddick, Martha Stewart, and Oprah Winfrey.

Still, with a scant 5% of Fortune 500 firms employing women CEOs, her leadership of a huge global enterprise in the macho field of IT is impressive. But how did she do?

The answer in short is: Pretty badly.

In 1999, a dysfunctional HP board committee, filled with its own poisoned politics, hired her with no CEO experience, nor interviews with the full board. Fired in 2005, after six years in office, several leading publications titled her one of the worst technology CEOs of all time. In fact, the stock popped 10% on the news of her firing and closed the day up 7%.

Arianna Packard, the granddaughter of HP’s founder, commented when discouraging voters from supporting Fiorina in her 2010 senatorial run, “I know a little bit about Carly Fiorina, having watched her almost destroy the company my grandfather founded.”



However, before Conservative Political Action Caucus in February, Fiorina proclaimed that under her HP command, “We would double its revenues to $90 billion, triple its rate of innovation to 11 patents a day, and go from a laggard to a leader in every product category and every market segment in which we competed.”

Sure, she doubled revenues—through a massive, ill-conceived, controversial acquisition of Compaq Computer in 2002—but Fiorina did nothing to increase profits over her five-year term, with the S&P 500 showing net income across enterprises concomitantly up 70%. Furthermore, shareholder wealth at HP was sliced 52% under her reign against the S&P, which was down only 15% in that bearish period. She modeled the old joke of “making it up in the volume.”

Fiorina rammed the Compaq deal through despite intense opposition by analysts, employees, and shareholders. When it appeared that she would lose the proxy vote, the balance was tipped back the other way using hardball tactics that would make Donald Trump wince.

In proxy voting, Deutsche Bank originally voted against the transaction with the massive HP shares it held in various fiduciary accounts—representing the interests of its investment clients. Enraged, Fiorina threatened in a recorded voicemail, “we may have to do something extraordinary” to bring Deutsche Bank over the line. In a conference call with Deutsche Bank commercial bankers eager to do business with HP, she stated “This is obviously of great importance to us as a company. It is of great importance to our ongoing relationship.”

After such coercion, Deutsche Bank’s commercial bankers intervened; apparently fearing lost business then, supposedly independent Deutsche Bank fund managers reversed their vote. This was immediately challenged in Delaware Chancery Court. The court saw the danger of such alleged vote-buying, but ultimately it allowed the deal.

In the 10 years since Fiorina’s ousting from HP, most of the acquired obsolete Compaq device businesses have been shuttered with the remainders divested this year. This Compaq “heavy metal” strategy was not even her expressed plan just months before the acquisition. Her stated goal was not to build up hardware but just the opposite, to emulate the revival of competitor IBM ramping up HP’s service revenues.



In 2000, Fiorina failed to close a deal with Pricewaterhouse Coopers consulting business worth $18 billion. A few months later, PwC happily sold the business for $3.5 billion to IBM IBM . Interestingly, this deal was skillfully executed by IBM’s current CEO Ginni Rometty. To add to the irony, Fiorina’s doubling down into the device business took HP into the exact opposite direction of IBM. IBM was exiting this commoditized space, selling its laptops and ThinkPads to Lenovo.

The lost shareholder wealth and lost strategic direction at HP are only part of Fiorina’s legacy. Also lost during her reign were 30,000 U.S. tech jobs, the company’s revered employee morale, and the egalitarian, humble HP way culture. A new defensive, finger-pointing style of leadership led to waves of firing. Dissent was equated with disloyalty as discovered by Walter Hewlett, a board member and son of HP’s co-founder, when he questioned Fiorina’s misguided Compaq acquisition strategy and refused to be bullied into a board statement of unanimous consent, suffering legal and personal threats.

Despite such carnage, Fiorina pocketed over $100 million in compensation for her short reign—including a $65 million signing bonus and a $21 million severance. I have studied comebacks from adversity, but she’s not shown the required contrition nor earned the needed exoneration, and she’s not served as a CEO since. Upon leaving Taiwan Semiconductor’s board, the firm disclosed she only attended 17% of the board meetings. Under Meg Whitman’s brilliant leadership, HP’s character and performance have recovered, but we have not seen Fiorina’s parallel resilience just yet.

Jeffrey Sonnenfeld is Senior Associate Dean for Leadership Studies at the Yale School of Management and Lester Crown Professor of Management Practice and co-author of FIRING BACK (Harvard Business School Press).
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-08-14 19:11:24
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
The leaders of far left regimes tend to always be the worst people alive at the time.
OK at this point I must ask you:

Left or right?

Stalin?

Hitler?

Mussolini?

Pol Pot?

Pinochet?

And that's just the 20th century....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-08-14 19:16:00
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I take cakes VERY seriously.
Because baking cakes isn't really cooking.

Its chemistry.

Decorating them is art.

Serious stuff.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-14 20:08:01
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Putting another of your insults aside
You could report the insults.

Probably won't do you any good, moderation is too forgiving towards the liberal front here where they are willing to topicban one insult made by a conservative but a liberal can make all the insults they want....
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-14 20:13:53
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Putting another of your insults aside, how does a group that wanted smaller government and less taxes in anyway Authoritarian? Or is Tea Party your catch-all much like you accuse me of doing?

Trying to enact laws that dictate how people can live their life... Sounds dead on.

What law was this that the "tea party" wanted to enact?

I have the feeling you are about to label some random lawmaker in a random state house a tea partier and then make a blanket statement about the Tea Party.

HR3... why is Viagra on to spend tax money on but a medical procedure, sometimes necessary to a woman's life, not? A classic example of authoritarian religious right ideology, and introduced and sponsored by multiple members of the tea party. There's about 40 other bills introduced in the last 20 years by members of the national Congress that are either tea party or joined the tea party, and that's not counting the hundreds of even more authoritarian bull pushed in state houses.

Also. I don't think I've ever used the term tea bagger, but that assumption is emblematic of your persecution complex.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-08-14 20:16:03
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Putting another of your insults aside
You could report the insults.

Probably won't do you any good, moderation is too forgiving towards the liberal front here where they are willing to topicban one insult made by a conservative but a liberal can make all the insults they want....

Yeah, because nausi's daily "liberalism is a mental disorder" doesn't go completely unchecked right? Or Aman's hostility in every post unless he is being insulted in which he tries the victim card.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-14 20:20:49
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Or Aman's hostility in every post
That's an odd complaint coming from you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-14 20:32:02
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Or Aman's hostility in every post
That's an odd complaint coming from you.
If you have a disagreeing idea, it's obviously because you are hostile towards me!

Why don't you ever think of my feelings?

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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-08-14 20:34:01
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Or Aman's hostility in every post
That's an odd complaint coming from you.

Its not a complaint, its just an observation. I don't really care if people get offended on the internet, I think its funny when people play the victim card. The only things I bother to report are Deces' posts and they are more than warranted.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-08-14 20:34:54
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Putting another of your insults aside, how does a group that wanted smaller government and less taxes in anyway Authoritarian? Or is Tea Party your catch-all much like you accuse me of doing?

Trying to enact laws that dictate how people can live their life... Sounds dead on.

What law was this that the "tea party" wanted to enact?

I have the feeling you are about to label some random lawmaker in a random state house a tea partier and then make a blanket statement about the Tea Party.

HR3... why is Viagra on to spend tax money on but a medical procedure, sometimes necessary to a woman's life, not? A classic example of authoritarian religious right ideology, and introduced and sponsored by multiple members of the tea party. There's about 40 other bills introduced in the last 20 years by members of the national Congress that are either tea party or joined the tea party, and that's not counting the hundreds of even more authoritarian bull pushed in state houses.

Also. I don't think I've ever used the term tea bagger, but that assumption is emblematic of your persecution complex.

Random, unspecific bills by anonymous people that you are labeling as tea party and asking me to answer for. Hmmm yeah OK Buddy. Are you done not making your point?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-08-14 20:35:40
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Hostilty = saying something Vic disagrees with
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