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Random Politics & Religion #00
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-19 12:58:57
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »There's no racist background to drawing a white guy as a monkey. It's a generic insult of stupidity. Like Bush being drawn as one.
There IS racist background to drawing black people as monkeys. A long, dirty history of it. In this case, you're drawing upon a pretty ugly spot in EuroAmerican history.
In the hypothetical, there is no racist element to it because there's background behind the drawing. Stupid people would leap to conclusions but that isn't an excuse to call it 'racist'. So if I draw obama as a monkey but didn't draw bush as one, I have to be racist?
If I call my white friends "n*gga", don't I have to call my black friends "n*gga" or else doesn't THAT make me racist?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-19 13:03:12
Eh, I really do want in on this discussion.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:03:20
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »There's no racist background to drawing a white guy as a monkey. It's a generic insult of stupidity. Like Bush being drawn as one.
There IS racist background to drawing black people as monkeys. A long, dirty history of it. In this case, you're drawing upon a pretty ugly spot in EuroAmerican history.
In the hypothetical, there is no racist element to it because there's background behind the drawing. Stupid people would leap to conclusions but that isn't an excuse to call it 'racist'. So if I draw obama as a monkey but didn't draw bush as one, I have to be racist? 
Don't do it Ramy! 
By Ramyrez 2015-05-19 13:04:15
Nausi, your righteous indignation on behalf of the downtrodden white man is just too much to take today. I think you need some joy in your life.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:05:35
Eh, I really do want in on this discussion. Don't, just don't.
They already shown that there's a double standard, so there's no point in continuing further.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-19 13:11:05
Eh, I really do want in on this discussion. Don't, just don't.
They already shown that there's a double standard, so there's no point in continuing further.
Yes but the double standard doesn't just deserve to be exposed, it deserves to be fully ridiculed just like that one time in junior high when *ahem* my friend loudly farted in the middle of school assembly and never lived it down.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-19 13:12:45
If I call my white friends "n*gga" Why are you calling anyone "n*gga"?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:14:00
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-19 13:14:07
If this double standard is the biggest one you've got to overcome in life, I'd say your doing pretty well.
That doesn't mean it's okay.
I'm just saying if this outrages you...the idea that you have to think about offending someone before you speak in case someone takes what you're saying the wrong way...I hope you realize how others dealing with more pressing issues may struggle.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-19 13:14:53
Because we cannot deny our true overlords. Plus, dogs drool.
I find your strong Texism juxtaposed to your preference for cats over dogs.
Edit: But maybe it's deeper than dogs just being traditionally viewed as more manly, loyal, or whatever.
I mean, cats are possessive, standoffish, like killing things, and only associate with their household insofar as they want something...
We may be onto something.
By Nyruul 2015-05-19 13:15:10
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:16:02
Because we cannot deny our true overlords. Plus, dogs drool.
I find your strong Texism juxtaposed to your preference for cats over dogs. Real Texans love cats!
.....ok, maybe not....but still, cats > dogs.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:20:53
Edit: But maybe it's deeper than dogs just being traditionally viewed as more manly, loyal, or whatever.
I mean, cats are possessive, standoffish, like killing things, and only associate with their household insofar as they want something...
We may be onto something. We may be, who knows!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:23:31
I saw a play in Texas. It was hilarious by no intention of it's own. It was this play about the old west. And through the entire thing there was this huge drought. The poor actors were on an outdoor stage and it was raining hard the entire time. If that irony wasn't enough, there was a scene where it finally rains and one of the main characters shouts out and hugs this girl saying "It's raining it's finally raining!" and the entire crowd and even the actors bust out laughing. Was one of the funniest things I ever saw. Sounds like something I watched too.
Was this in New Braunfels?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-19 13:25:06
If I call my white friends "n*gga" Why are you calling anyone "n*gga"?
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I judge anyone who uses it. Call it my personal quirk, I'm totally red flagging you if you're throwing that around in a non-ironic manner. It's even more awkward if you follow it up with a disclaimer. #facepalm
Because we cannot deny our true overlords. Plus, dogs drool.
I find your strong Texism juxtaposed to your preference for cats over dogs.
Edit: But maybe it's deeper than dogs just being traditionally viewed as more manly, loyal, or whatever.
I mean, cats are possessive, standoffish, like killing things, and only associate with their household insofar as they want something...
We may be onto something.
Dogs are more exciting. You can take them out, they swim, they catch stuff, they hunt with you, generally good with children, generally more engaged in activities. Act like they give a *** about you.
Cats are more passive. Good cuddle buddies, can be fun around the home, less in your face, more suited to apartment life. Equally as loving but less clingy.
I like both as pets but if I had a house and outdoor space it's a dog easily over a cat. Outside those cats raised around dogs, you don't see cats wanting to go on a jog or bring back your game fowl.....
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-05-19 13:25:40
Eh, I really do want in on this discussion.
all right. so monkey is a derogatory term for blacks, it's used mostly by sicilians in their... organizations of...family run...small businesses... whose legal... standing... is sometimes questioned... /rubs side of nose
so if you drew anyone as a monkey it would probably be considered racist.
monkey also indicates a the person is a rung down the evolutionary ladder from humans or "sub human" if you will which can also be considered racist against humans.... or monkeys if you are a member of some unknown monkey superiority movement....
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:32:02
or monkeys if you are a member of some unknown monkey superiority movement.... what, PETA?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-19 13:32:26
It's almost like doing certain things among certain groups of people MIGHT be construed as highly offensive!
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-19 13:33:35
If I call my white friends "n*gga", don't I have to call my black friends "n*gga" or else doesn't THAT make me racist? Dunno about that making you racist, but it certainly indicates other five letter words.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:36:02
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »It's almost like doing certain things among certain groups of people MIGHT be construed as highly offensive! Why does it have to be certain things among certain groups of people, why can't it be certain things among all groups of people?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-19 13:37:24
I'm not all about that regulating any type of insult/hyper-sensitivity regarding points of discussion but it's damn well known calling anyone dark a monkey is about as subtle as getting a *** from a wolverine.
And you damn well know when you're drawing Obama or his wife as chimpanzees what tree you're climbing. Might as well dust off the SS regalia and walk into a synagogue. Free speech! Free expression!
A free trip to a hospital.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-05-19 13:37:30
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »It's almost like doing certain things among certain groups of people MIGHT be construed as highly offensive!
let's do all those things and then act surprised when they punch us in the face.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-19 13:40:10
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'm not all about that regulating any type of insult/hyper-sensitivity regarding points of discussion but it's damn well known calling anyone dark a monkey is about as subtle as getting a *** from a wolverine. The Pratchett is strong in this one.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-19 13:41:33
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »but it's damn well known calling anyone dark a monkey is about as subtle as getting a *** from a wolverine. But it's perfectly ok, according to you, to call anyone who's not dark a monkey.
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