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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 13:56:46
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I have a 2013 Mercedes Benz S-Class I use for special events

Complete sidetrack, but you made me wonder how much I could pickup a special use luxury vehicle. There are some amazing deals on low-mileage lease turn-ins available.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 13:59:05
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Maybe. But we create our situation and our environment and promote or demote different ideas through marketing and popular culture. A lot of those ideas promoted are based on profit motive. Which means, we're assigning profit motive to a lot of our decision making. And lets face it profit motive has made some terrible decisions in the past, if left alone. I don't feel it's much different when it comes to job resources allocation either. It's not that we need all the useless stuff or crap that breaks down 15 years early as much as we could use advancements in science and technology, it's that that's what individual groups decide the profit motive decides is best for them so that's where the jobs are. Surplus creates other jobs, and nothing else. Specifically a surplus in food supply. After that you can make pretty much any structure for economies and valuation of other jobs you want. We use this because we stumbled blindly in the dark for thousands of years and this is the best that worked so far. Don't get me wrong it's been amazing but we have to fix blind consumption sooner or later.

I think there's a middle ground to be reached between "Greed is good" and "save the planet, hand-holding hippie hug everyone".

I just don't think we're there yet.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-14 14:02:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Verda said: »
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How else can they sell you a phone if they don't make new ones every year ? They have to make it "better" than last years model.

A better example is tv sets for example. Now there is smart ones so you could make such an argument, but it used to be a TV was a TV as long as it was color it was as good as any other TV. They started making them unreliable intentionally, A tv used to last 20 years then they only last 2 before you have to buy a new one. They do this with other things too and it's still a relevant thing imo.
So, don't buy shitty TVs then.

There is a difference between a $50 TV and a $500 TV. Quality does enhance the life of the product....
A higher price isn't necessarily indicative of a better quality product.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:03:13
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Yes, if correspondence is available. It can also be conjecture, but sustainable conjecture if inappropriate time period elapses between discovery/confirmation/reporting/recall.
Manufacturers are required to disclose safety-related faults or failures to the NHTSA when the information is available.
Which is the rub. If the ignition issues were caused by consumer inattentiveness, should there be a recall issued because of stupid people?
That's a bit of a stretch for this particular instance; the device used did not meet the required performance.
In general, recalls are not issued due to the stupidity of users, but due to the product not meeting the required behavior.
Mistakes are made. ***happens. The absolute wrong thing to do is attempt to hide the issue and hope it goes away/doesn't have much impact.
Did they hide or attempt to hide it then?
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 14:03:25
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
A higher price isn't necessarily indicative of a better quality product.

No, but in this particular instance -- and when it comes to consumer electronics in general -- I tend to feel you get what you pay for, though when you play your cards right you can get some good deals on quality items.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:04:29
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Oh, there are certainly tangible metrics for quality of products.
There is, which is why I'm asking him what his methods are.

Quality is still an intangible though, so it is hard to quantify it.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-14 14:06:22
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Yes, if correspondence is available. It can also be conjecture, but sustainable conjecture if inappropriate time period elapses between discovery/confirmation/reporting/recall.
Manufacturers are required to disclose safety-related faults or failures to the NHTSA when the information is available.
Which is the rub. If the ignition issues were caused by consumer inattentiveness, should there be a recall issued because of stupid people?
That's a bit of a stretch for this particular instance; the device used did not meet the required performance.
In general, recalls are not issued due to the stupidity of users, but due to the product not meeting the required behavior.
Mistakes are made. ***happens. The absolute wrong thing to do is attempt to hide the issue and hope it goes away/doesn't have much impact.
Did they hide or attempt to hide it then?
Yes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:06:47
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I have a 2013 Mercedes Benz S-Class I use for special events

Complete sidetrack, but you made me wonder how much I could pickup a special use luxury vehicle. There are some amazing deals on low-mileage lease turn-ins available.
Got me, I don't know the running values of luxury vehicles in Pennsylvania. Probably have to shop around for it.

Ramyrez said: »
I think there's a middle ground to be reached between "Greed is good" and "save the planet, hand-holding hippie hug everyone".

I just don't think we're there yet.
I don't think we can ever get there to be honest.

Bahamut.Milamber said: »
A higher price isn't necessarily indicative of a better quality product.
Not always, and I don't think we were making that point. However, business models have been made to make a cheaper product that sells mass with smaller margins vs. more quality products that doesn't sell often but with a lot larger margin.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-14 14:09:05
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Ramyrez said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
A higher price isn't necessarily indicative of a better quality product.

No, but in this particular instance -- and when it comes to consumer electronics in general -- I tend to feel you get what you pay for, though when you play your cards right you can get some good deals on quality items.
If you want to see something amusing/depressing, go look around for pressure washers / air compressors. You'll find quite a few brands which are the exact same design, but with different paint colors/badges, with insane variance in prices.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:09:40
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Yes, if correspondence is available. It can also be conjecture, but sustainable conjecture if inappropriate time period elapses between discovery/confirmation/reporting/recall.
Manufacturers are required to disclose safety-related faults or failures to the NHTSA when the information is available.
Which is the rub. If the ignition issues were caused by consumer inattentiveness, should there be a recall issued because of stupid people?
That's a bit of a stretch for this particular instance; the device used did not meet the required performance.
In general, recalls are not issued due to the stupidity of users, but due to the product not meeting the required behavior.
Mistakes are made. ***happens. The absolute wrong thing to do is attempt to hide the issue and hope it goes away/doesn't have much impact.
Did they hide or attempt to hide it then?
Yes.
Are the investigations finalized? Not defending GM's actions though, just curious.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 14:10:37
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Got me, I don't know the running values of luxury vehicles in Pennsylvania. Probably have to shop around for it.

Oh, no, I'm saying that I looked and that there are good deals to be had if you're in the market. Vehicles with under 20,000 miles at good prices.

Not really shopping atm, as I've other things in mind currently, but it's a fun thought.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 14:11:15
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I don't think we can ever get there to be honest.

And I suppose that's one of the big differences between us.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 14:12:31
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
A higher price isn't necessarily indicative of a better quality product.

No, but in this particular instance -- and when it comes to consumer electronics in general -- I tend to feel you get what you pay for, though when you play your cards right you can get some good deals on quality items.
If you want to see something amusing/depressing, go look around for pressure washers / air compressors. You'll find quite a few brands which are the exact same design, but with different paint colors/badges, with insane variance in prices.

Construction/home improvement equipment/materials and automotive items are certainly an area where you have to shop carefully.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:13:23
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Ramyrez said: »
Vehicles with under 20,000 miles at good prices.
That's why.

When I bought mine, I bought it with 3 miles on the odometer. Cost me a little over $100k after taxes/licenses/other ***.

I think it has a total of 1,500 miles on it now, I really don't use it as much as I should lol...
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-14 14:15:12
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Yes, if correspondence is available. It can also be conjecture, but sustainable conjecture if inappropriate time period elapses between discovery/confirmation/reporting/recall.
Manufacturers are required to disclose safety-related faults or failures to the NHTSA when the information is available.
Which is the rub. If the ignition issues were caused by consumer inattentiveness, should there be a recall issued because of stupid people?
That's a bit of a stretch for this particular instance; the device used did not meet the required performance.
In general, recalls are not issued due to the stupidity of users, but due to the product not meeting the required behavior.
Mistakes are made. ***happens. The absolute wrong thing to do is attempt to hide the issue and hope it goes away/doesn't have much impact.
Did they hide or attempt to hide it then?
Yes.
Are the investigations finalized? Not defending GM's actions though, just curious.
Not as far as I know. I believe GM has admitted that the information was buried in a public statement, if I recall.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:17:03
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Yes, if correspondence is available. It can also be conjecture, but sustainable conjecture if inappropriate time period elapses between discovery/confirmation/reporting/recall.
Manufacturers are required to disclose safety-related faults or failures to the NHTSA when the information is available.
Which is the rub. If the ignition issues were caused by consumer inattentiveness, should there be a recall issued because of stupid people?
That's a bit of a stretch for this particular instance; the device used did not meet the required performance.
In general, recalls are not issued due to the stupidity of users, but due to the product not meeting the required behavior.
Mistakes are made. ***happens. The absolute wrong thing to do is attempt to hide the issue and hope it goes away/doesn't have much impact.
Did they hide or attempt to hide it then?
Yes.
Are the investigations finalized? Not defending GM's actions though, just curious.
Not as far as I know. I believe GM has admitted that the information was buried in a public statement, if I recall.
Still doesn't prove intent though. If there was some sort of document stating to hide this, this ***would be all over the news.

It could have been lost in the paperwork, things like this does happen from time to time, and it's unfortunate that this time it was something as important as a recall. I can guarantee you that somebody got fired by now over this, and his boss and probably his boss too.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 14:17:22
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Vehicles with under 20,000 miles at good prices.
That's why.

When I bought mine, I bought it with 3 miles on the odometer. Cost me a little over $100k after taxes/licenses/other ***.

I think it has a total of 1,500 miles on it now, I really don't use it as much as I should lol...

Well, yeah. New Mercs are spendy. That's the whole point of buying a Merc new. Showing people you have it!

Still, under 20k miles and 2 years old for half that? If you're interested in a luxuray car for regular use, that's a pretty great deal.

Gently-used vehicles that were originally low mileage leases (which, honestly, in your situation, I would have done because you pay less long-term and can trade in for a new flash car in a few years) can net you some great vehicles like new at a fraction of the cost.

Leased vehicles are also required to keep maintenance schedules as well.

Really good stuff sometimes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:20:22
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Vehicles with under 20,000 miles at good prices.
That's why.

When I bought mine, I bought it with 3 miles on the odometer. Cost me a little over $100k after taxes/licenses/other ***.

I think it has a total of 1,500 miles on it now, I really don't use it as much as I should lol...

Well, yeah. New Mercs are spendy. That's the whole point of buying a Merc new. Showing people you have it!

Still, under 20k miles and 2 years old for half that? If you're interested in a luxuray car for regular use, that's a pretty great deal.
I hate cars like that though. Even though this one is a little roomier than the rest, I still feel cramped in it. Then again, I'm 6'6 so there isn't many cars I can feel comfortable in.

I love my Dodge, and I will buy another one when I feel like it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:22:35
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Ramyrez said: »
which, honestly, in your situation, I would have done because you pay less long-term and can trade in for a new flash car in a few years
I'm the type of guy who buys a car every 10 years or so.

This was my first "snobby" car I bought, only because my bosses commented me on driving my Dodge to events with clients in it lol.

I don't like doing the whole "dress to impress" ***, but you got to do what you got to do. It got me this new CFO gig at least.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-14 14:26:59
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This will surely end well...

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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has appointed John McCain, a hawkish US senator who has pressed Washington to send lethal weapons to war-torn Ukraine, as his advisor, his administration said.

Ukraine's pro-Western authorities are putting together an advisory council to help the ex-Soviet country conduct reforms and build global support for Ukraine.

Pending his agreement, McCain, the Republican senator for Arizona, will become a member of the council, along with Carl Bildt, the former prime minister of Sweden known for his vocal criticism of Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to a decree released by Poroshenko's administration on Wednesday.

The Advisory International Council of Reforms is to be headed by Mikheil Saakashvili, the fiercely pro-Western former president of Georgia, and will also include Elmar Brok, a member of the European Parliament, and economist Anders Aslund.

The US senator said he would be honoured to take up the post, adding however that he first had to be cleared by the Senate.
Ukraine appoints US senator McCain presidential aide
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 14:27:29
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
which, honestly, in your situation, I would have done because you pay less long-term and can trade in for a new flash car in a few years
I'm the type of guy who buys a car every 10 years or so.

This was my first "snobby" car I bought, only because my bosses commented me on driving my Dodge to events with clients in it lol.

I don't like doing the whole "dress to impress" ***, but you got to do what you got to do. It got me this new CFO gig at least.

Eh. Personal preference.

I don't know if I consider Mercs snobby; they're borderline. Rolls definitely. Bentleys without question. Astons too.

I've had my truck for five years, I'll probably keep it through the house buying process, use it to move, then replace it. Probably not with another truck though.

I don't need a "flashy" vehicle, but Mercs tend to have comfort and a lot of nice features, so picking one up on the cheap that's only a year or two old could make for some fine driving on nice days.
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 14:29:57
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I'm one of those environmentalist types I drive a hybrid ! I'm a people now people hybrids are for people now !


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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:33:53
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
This will surely end well...

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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has appointed John McCain, a hawkish US senator who has pressed Washington to send lethal weapons to war-torn Ukraine, as his advisor, his administration said.

Ukraine's pro-Western authorities are putting together an advisory council to help the ex-Soviet country conduct reforms and build global support for Ukraine.

Pending his agreement, McCain, the Republican senator for Arizona, will become a member of the council, along with Carl Bildt, the former prime minister of Sweden known for his vocal criticism of Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to a decree released by Poroshenko's administration on Wednesday.

The Advisory International Council of Reforms is to be headed by Mikheil Saakashvili, the fiercely pro-Western former president of Georgia, and will also include Elmar Brok, a member of the European Parliament, and economist Anders Aslund.

The US senator said he would be honoured to take up the post, adding however that he first had to be cleared by the Senate.
Ukraine appoints US senator McCain presidential aide
Isn't that illegal? Or did McCain not accept?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-14 14:35:19
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Idk I thought it was illegal too, but maybe that's why the senate is discussing it.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 14:36:43
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Illegal or not (it probably should be if it isn't) it still sounds incredibly...I don't want to say "shady", but...

Well, that's the word that comes to mind.

Shady.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 14:37:49
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Can't argue with you on that.

Just because he was appointed doesn't mean he accepted though, could all be a political ploy.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-05-14 14:56:15
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Its not illegal for him to be appointed, I mean, North Korea has made all kinds of empty declarations. I've never heard of this happening, not even sure if the Senate can tell him no, I think it would come down to the State Dept. But I really can't say for sure.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-05-14 15:07:27
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Depending on what security clearance and knowledge he has he can be subject to US export controls/ITAR. If he falls under that he can get permission to advise/work with foreign nationals.

https://www.umb.edu/research/policies_procedures/research_compliance/overview_of_export_control_laws
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-05-14 15:09:17
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He is a Senator so he has really high Top Secret clearance.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 15:12:29
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Depending on what security clearance and knowledge he has he can be subject to US export controls/ITAR. If he falls under that he can get permission to advise/work with foreign nationals.

https://www.umb.edu/research/policies_procedures/research_compliance/overview_of_export_control_laws
Not only that, but he can influence legislation too.

I don't really give a ***if he's appointed after he leaves Congress, but while he is in Congress, I think that would be cause for concern.
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