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By EpicFantasy 2015-05-02 22:38:53
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There are plently of cities "ruled" by republicans that have bad politicians and cops. Plenty of cities abusing the bill of rights, civil rights, etc.

That are rioting in the streets and literally turning into ghost towns as a direct result of democratic rule?

Please name some.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2015-05-02 22:45:04
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EpicFantasy said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
There are plently of cities "ruled" by republicans that have bad politicians and cops. Plenty of cities abusing the bill of rights, civil rights, etc.

That are rioting in the streets and literally turning into ghost towns as a direct result of democratic rule?

Please name some.
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By EpicFantasy 2015-05-02 22:47:13
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EpicFantasy said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
There are plently of cities "ruled" by republicans that have bad politicians and cops. Plenty of cities abusing the bill of rights, civil rights, etc.

That are rioting in the streets and literally turning into ghost towns as a direct result of democratic rule?

Please name some.
bureaucratic*

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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-05-02 23:08:47
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EpicFantasy said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
There are plently of cities "ruled" by republicans that have bad politicians and cops. Plenty of cities abusing the bill of rights, civil rights, etc.

That are rioting in the streets and literally turning into ghost towns as a direct result of democratic rule?

Please name some.
Goalpost moved. Somehow you know that one political party directly caused all of these issues.

Riots and ghost towns are the only factors in deciding good leadership?

Cities that are using stingrays without warrants and lying to Judges get a pass?

Cities using civil forfiture as a way to increase their budget get a pass?

Cities where cops have been charged and found guilty of misdeeds (from homicides, theft, to kiddie porn, etc) get a pass?

DA's taking political donations and harrassing those donators opponents get a pass?

Only in fiction is there one reason for large scale events occuring and one bad guy. Especially when something occurs over the course of decades.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-05-02 23:09:26
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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I'm sure states/cities that are "ruled" by Republicans have perfect law abiding politicians and police.
Nobody is arguing about the correlation between the police and the leadership.

Ravael and I were arguing about the political environment of a specific city and how well they did for that city economicwise. Detroit has been run by liberals/democrats for well over 50 years, and see how well that went for the city?
Please see Nausi's last paragraph

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]No one in Baltimore is justified in rioting period. The authority of the Baltimore government does not absolve it's citizens of their own actions to riot. If they are unhappy living in squalor and allegedly getting beat up by their own cops they should, you know, elect better politicians who will implement different policy, and enforce the law. But they won't do that, because they monolithicly vote democrat.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-02 23:11:18
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
EpicFantasy said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
There are plently of cities "ruled" by republicans that have bad politicians and cops. Plenty of cities abusing the bill of rights, civil rights, etc.

That are rioting in the streets and literally turning into ghost towns as a direct result of democratic rule?

Please name some.
Goalpost moved. Somehow you know that one political party directly caused all of these issues.

Riots and ghost towns are the only factors in deciding good leadership?

Cities that are using stingrays without warrants and lying to Judges get a pass?

Cities using civil forfiture as a way to increase their budget get a pass?

Cities where cops have been charged and found guilty of misdeeds (from homicides, theft, to kiddie porn, etc) get a pass?

DA's taking political donations and harrassing those donators opponents get a pass?

Only in fiction is there one reason for large scale events occuring and one bad guy. Especially when something occurs over the course of decades.
I seriously don't see the correlation between one political party and corruption in the police force (or corruption period), as corruption knows no politics, just primal human emotions, mainly greed.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-05-02 23:12:09
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I seriously don't see the correlation between one political party and corruption in the police force (or corruption period), as corruption knows no politics, just primal human emotions, mainly greed.
I agree
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-02 23:12:52
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
I'm sure states/cities that are "ruled" by Republicans have perfect law abiding politicians and police.
Nobody is arguing about the correlation between the police and the leadership.

Ravael and I were arguing about the political environment of a specific city and how well they did for that city economicwise. Detroit has been run by liberals/democrats for well over 50 years, and see how well that went for the city?
Please see Nausi's last paragraph

Nausi said:
]No one in Baltimore is justified in rioting period. The authority of the Baltimore government does not absolve it's citizens of their own actions to riot. If they are unhappy living in squalor and allegedly getting beat up by their own cops they should, you know, elect better politicians who will implement different policy, and enforce the law. But they won't do that, because they monolithicly vote democrat.
I take that back then, nobody serious enough to actually debate police corruption without partisan rhetoric is arguing about the correlation between the police and the leadership.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2015-05-02 23:16:53
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
EpicFantasy said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
There are plently of cities "ruled" by republicans that have bad politicians and cops. Plenty of cities abusing the bill of rights, civil rights, etc.

That are rioting in the streets and literally turning into ghost towns as a direct result of democratic rule?

Please name some.
Goalpost moved. Somehow you know that one political party directly caused all of these issues.

Riots and ghost towns are the only factors in deciding good leadership?

Cities that are using stingrays without warrants and lying to Judges get a pass?

Cities using civil forfiture as a way to increase their budget get a pass?

Cities where cops have been charged and found guilty of misdeeds (from homicides, theft, to kiddie porn, etc) get a pass?

DA's taking political donations and harrassing those donators opponents get a pass?

Only in fiction is there one reason for large scale events occuring and one bad guy. Especially when something occurs over the course of decades.

when you say "stingray" I can only think of one thing.

anyhoo.

you just littered a ton of rhetorical questions so I'll let those go.

to respond to Nausi's paragraph.
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I personally don't think we really could ascertain whether or not political influences negatively affected the economic status of a city without the ability to "access other universes" and see how a democratically inclined version of the city turned out. Too many variables are at play that would influence the city economically to be sure. Since that's impossible it's pretty much a needless pondering that is mostly going nowhere. Sorry for the wet blanket.
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By EpicFantasy 2015-05-02 23:17:32
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Goalpost moved.

I accept your surrender.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2015-05-02 23:19:18
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EpicFantasy said: »
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Goalpost moved.

I accept your surrender.
I win.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-03 04:33:30
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By fonewear 2015-05-03 07:45:59
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In non riot news:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-shot-wounded-queens-village-report-article-1.2208183

Cop gets shot in the face shockingly the cops don't riot in the street and burn down the nearest CVS !


A plainclothes city cop was shot in the face in Queens Saturday when the ex-con cousin of a former New York Giant opened fire into his unmarked patrol car, authorities said.

Officer Brian Moore and his partner were driving through Queens Village when they spotted the suspect “adjusting an object in his waistband” near the corner of 212th St. and 104th Road about 6:15 p.m, Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said.

The officers pulled up behind the suspicious man — identified as Demetrius Blackwell, the younger cousin of former Giants cornerback Kory Blackwell — and tried to question him.

Without warning, Blackwell whipped out a gun and squeezed off at least two rounds into Moore’s car, Bratton said.

“He immediately opened fire on them before they had time to get out of the vehicle,” Bratton said at a solemn Saturday night press conference.

Put more succinctly, “They were gonna stop him and he just opened up on them,” added a police source.

Moore, 25, was struck once in the cheek. His partner, Erik Jansen, 30, was uninjured and immediately radioed for assistance.

The Long Island-based Moore — who hails from a family of cops and joined the force in 2010 — was rushed to Jamaica Hospital in a patrol car.

He was listed in critical but stable condition — and underwent surgery late Saturday night. “He was shot in the cheek and it came out the other,” a source said.

Moore was placed into a medically induced coma, a source said.

A surgeon said the full extent of Moore’s injuries would not be known for at least 24 hours.

Mayor de Blasio praised the wounded cop’s bravery. “Our hearts are with his family,” de Blasio said.
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By fonewear 2015-05-03 07:52:42
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EpicFantasy said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
There are plently of cities "ruled" by republicans that have bad politicians and cops. Plenty of cities abusing the bill of rights, civil rights, etc.

That are rioting in the streets and literally turning into ghost towns as a direct result of democratic rule?

Please name some.

If Al Sharpton was in Baltimore this would have never happened !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-05-03 09:23:08
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Baltimore....

Historical perspective.

Back in the neolithic age when I was young and cops still walked beats, the Baltimore County sheriff's department was widely known to be the most corrupt police force on the eastern seaboard.

The city's cops were only cleaner by comparison.

Baltimore gave us Spiro Agnew. A politician so dirty that Nixon could easily throw him to the wolves in an attempted distraction from his own crimes.

I cannot tell you which political party had control of the city or county back then, but I will say that both parties today are almost unrecognizable from what they were then.

To blame Baltimore's problems, or those of any city, solely on one political party is simplistic to the point of deliberate ignorance.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-03 09:44:17
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
To blame Baltimore's problems, or those of any city, solely on one political party is simplistic to the point of deliberate ignorance.
To the extent that the city's problems aren't anything but economical (since that's the only power a city has in terms of overall issues at hand), then you are right.

If a city's problems are economical, then you can blame the management, and by extent the political structure of the city in question, on them.
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By EpicFantasy 2015-05-03 09:52:17
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I cannot tell you which political party had control of the city or county back then, but I will say that both parties today are almost unrecognizable from what they were then.

Well Nixon was elected in 1969 and the Democrats have actually held Baltimore sense 1967 - 2015 longer.
Hows that for..
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Historical perspective.

Garuda.Chanti said: »
To blame Baltimore's problems, or those of any city, solely on one political party is simplistic to the point of deliberate ignorance.

Do we not see a reoccurring overall theme? Perhaps if you took your head out of the sand it would help.
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By fonewear 2015-05-03 10:11:03
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EpicFantasy said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
I cannot tell you which political party had control of the city or county back then, but I will say that both parties today are almost unrecognizable from what they were then.

Well Nixon was elected in 1969 and the Democrats have actually held Baltimore sense 1967 - 2015 longer.
Hows that for..
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Historical perspective.

Garuda.Chanti said: »
To blame Baltimore's problems, or those of any city, solely on one political party is simplistic to the point of deliberate ignorance.

Do we not see a reoccurring overall theme? Perhaps if you took your head out of the sand it would help.

The point is I feel racism is destroying America and all that matters are feelings !

I don't know how to solve racism...except for bitching about racism ! If I learned anything from feminism/race baiters it is that bitching is equal to action. Don't solve problems just ***.


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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-03 10:21:30
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Meanwhile in Texas:

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Since General Sam Houston executed his famous retreat to glory to defeat the superior forces of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, Texas has been ground zero for military training. We have so many military bases in the Lone Star State we could practically attack Russia.

So when rookie Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced he was ordering the Texas National Guard to monitor a Navy SEAL/Green Beret joint training exercise, which was taking place in Texas and several other states, everybody here looked up from their iPhones. What?

It seems there is concern among some folks that this so-called training maneuver is just a cover story. What's really going on? President Obama is about to use Special Forces to put Texas under martial law.

Let's walk over by the fence where nobody can hear us, and I'll tell you the story.

You see, there are these Wal-Marts in West Texas that supposedly closed for six months for "renovation." That's what they want you to believe. The truth is these Wal-Marts are going to be military guerrilla-warfare staging areas and FEMA processing camps for political prisoners. The prisoners are going to be transported by train cars that have already been equipped with shackles.

Don't take my word for it. That comes directly from a Texas Ranger, who seems pretty plugged in, if you ask me. You and I both know President Obama has been waiting a long time for this, and now it's happening. It's a classic false flag operation. Don't pay any attention the mainstream media; all they're going to do is lie and attack everyone who's trying to tell you the truth.

Did I mention the ISIS terrorists? They've come across the border and are going to hit soft targets all across the Southwest. They've set up camp a few miles outside of El Paso.

That includes a Mexican army officer and Mexican federal police inspector. Not sure what they're doing there, but probably nothing good. That's why the Special Forces guys are here, get it? To wipe out ISIS and impose martial law. So now you know, whaddya say we get back to the party and grab another beer?

It's true that the paranoid world-view of right-wing militia types has remarkable stamina. But that's not news.

What is news is that there seem to be enough of them in Texas to influence the governor of the state to react — some might use the word pander — to them.

That started Monday when a public briefing by the Army in Bastrop County, which is just east of Austin, got raucous. The poor U.S. Army colonel probably just thought he was going to give a regular briefing, but instead 200 patriots shouted him down, told him he was a liar and grilled him about the imminent federal takeover of Texas and subsequent imposition of martial law.

"We just want to make sure our guys are trained. We want to hone our skills," Lt. Col. Mark Listoria tried to explain in vain.

One wonders what Listoria was thinking to himself as he walked to his car after two hours of his life he'll never get back. God bless Texas? Maybe not.

The next day Gov. Abbott decided he had to take action. He announced that he was going to ask the Texas State Guard to monitor Operation Jade Helm from start to finish.

"It is important that Texans know their safety, constitutional rights, private property rights and civil liberties will not be infringed upon," Abbott said.

The idea that the Yankee military can't be trusted down here has a long and rich history in Texas. But that was a while back. Abbott's proclamation that he was going to keep his eye on these Navy SEAL and Green Beret boys did rub some of our leaders the wrong way.

Former Texas Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst tried to put it in perspective for outsiders when he explained, "Unfortunately, some Texans have projected their legitimate concerns about the competence and trustworthiness of President Barack Obama on these noble warriors. This must stop."
Texas Governor Deploys State Guard To Stave Off Obama Takeover
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-05-03 10:22:44
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EpicFantasy said: »
Do we not see a reoccurring overall theme?
Spiro Agnew, Republican said:
In 1973, Agnew was investigated by the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on charges of extortion, tax fraud, bribery, and conspiracy. He was charged with having accepted bribes totaling more than $100,000 while holding office as Baltimore County Executive, Governor of Maryland, and Vice President. On October 10 that same year, Agnew was allowed to plead no contest to a single charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income received in 1967, with the condition that he resign the office of Vice President. Nixon later replaced Agnew by appointing House Minority Leader Gerald Ford as Vice President. When Nixon resigned from the White House due to the Watergate scandal, Ford assumed to the presidency the following year

Shocking News: Regardless of political party corruption has existed in Baltimore, Maryland under both Democrats and Republicans.
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Here's a fun fact I learned today. Russia owns 20% of uranium production in the U.S.

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Since 2013, the nuclear energy arm of the Russian state has controlled 20 percent of America’s uranium production capacity.

Rosatom’s acquisition of Toronto-based miner Uranium One Inc. made the Russian agency, which also builds nuclear weapons, one the world’s top five producers of the radioactive metal and gave it ownership of a mine in Wyoming.

The deal, approved by a committee that included then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, also followed donations from Uranium One’s Canadian chairman to the Clinton Global Foundation, the New York Times reported on Thursday.

In an interview with Bloomberg News, Ian Telfer, the former Uranium One chairman and current chairman of Goldcorp Inc., said he pledged a donation of $3 million to the Clinton charity in March 2008, “when it was never contemplated that at some point in the future the Russian government would become a major shareholder of Uranium One.”

Why did the Russian government want Uranium One?

Russia is only the world’s sixth-largest uranium miner, but has a huge nuclear fuel industry. Rosatom had built that business partly by processing uranium from Soviet warheads decommissioned under the so-called megatons-to-megawatts agreement signed with the U.S. in 1993.

As that accord neared its end, Russia needed a new source of supply and Uranium One provided a solution. In 2010, a unit of Rosatom bought a majority stake and three years later, Russia paid $1.3 billion for the rest of the company.

The company that became Uranium One was founded in 1997 and merged with two competitors in 2005. In 2007, it bought UrAsia, a company co-founded by Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra that owned uranium mining assets in Kazakhstan.
How Putin’s Russia Gained Control of a U.S. Uranium Mine
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By fonewear 2015-05-03 10:24:18
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First you get the Uranium then you get the power then you get the women !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-03 10:25:59
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And finally for today for those with children: How to Talk to Your Kids About Bernie Sanders
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By fonewear 2015-05-03 10:26:53
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The guy is from Vermont that might as well be Mars for most Americans ! They have more cows than people in Vermont...just think about that for a minute...
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By fonewear 2015-05-03 10:33:19
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They actually debating on CNN now that "thug" is the new N word you can't make this ***up people !

Just a warning for you that are monitored by the PC police you can't use thug ! That is our word damn it !

It's like they took every semantics discussion on P and R and used it in real life to write an article !


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/01/no-the-young-people-of-baltimore-are-not-thugs.html
 
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
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Do we not see a reoccurring overall theme?
Spiro Agnew, Republican said:
In 1973, Agnew was investigated by the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on charges of extortion, tax fraud, bribery, and conspiracy. He was charged with having accepted bribes totaling more than $100,000 while holding office as Baltimore County Executive, Governor of Maryland, and Vice President. On October 10 that same year, Agnew was allowed to plead no contest to a single charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income received in 1967, with the condition that he resign the office of Vice President. Nixon later replaced Agnew by appointing House Minority Leader Gerald Ford as Vice President. When Nixon resigned from the White House due to the Watergate scandal, Ford assumed to the presidency the following year

Shocking News: Regardless of political party corruption has existed in Baltimore, Maryland under both Democrats and Republicans.

So your point is 48 years ago was the last time a republican held office in Baltimore and he was a bad person. Good thing he managed to get elected that term otherwise Baltimore would have been under democrat control for over 80yrs and before that Baltimore was actually a decent place to live. Damn that Republican screwing everything up!!!!!!!!


p.s. You're not gonna find anyone that argues that corruption does not exist. For either party.. Well, I dunno some democrats are pretty dense.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-05-03 11:21:58
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So your point is ..

Obviously too complex since you only can see donkeys or elephants and the need to tick a pin in one or the other.
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By fonewear 2015-05-03 11:24:49
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The nuances of racism make me feel warm and fuzzy inside !
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By EpicFantasy 2015-05-03 11:27:41
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
EpicFantasy said: »

So your point is ..

Obviously too complex since you only can see donkeys or elephants and the need to tick a pin in one or the other.

lol. Dude. All these cities have been under one party for around fifty plus years! It does not get any less complex!
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