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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-17 14:09:07
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Even if you did that you'd still need to have updated records. the system can update but you still rely on people to update the system in the first place so that it gets the records right in the first place. That's what your article seemed to address that there was a fundamental problem with record keeping. I would like to trust that records are generally updated, but in reality, there are internal controls in place in the federal/state government that are not being followed....
So there you go. A simple photo ID wouldn't change much.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-17 14:16:16
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Out of this whole Clinton email thing it seems to have become a problem for republican presidential hopefuls now as well. It's now which person was worse about it!
How so? How many GOP hopefuls were employed at a federal level and failed to release federal records back to the government?
That's part of their argument. Mine wasn't on this level and yours was so you're worse. Should it matter if its a state or federal level or does it just show a pattern that they all used personal emails for government work and are up for the same scrutiny that anyone else who has is?

Jeb Bush appearantly had his own private server and domain as well and took his server with him when he left the office. It took him 7 years to comply with state requirements. The rest of them have on some level or another used personal email for government business except for Lindsay Graham.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-03-17 14:17:39
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Also, maybe if people stop automatically dismissing my opinions and thoughts about what would happen if what they wish came true, we all would have a better understand on reality in whole.

But how old is the Earth???
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-17 14:20:01
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Bolded: Specifics? Lower taxes on corporations? Cut aid for those in need? Increase military spending? Sounds an awful lot like standard Republican stuff to me.
You shouldn't be surprised. Remember, it was standard Republican stuff that got us the level of economic growth between 2001 to 2007.
You mean the housing bubble?
Are you basing your entire argument only on one small sector of the economy? Isn't your wife an economist?
No. Yes.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 14:23:29
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Reality is over-rated, Lordgrim for Supreme Overlord 2020.
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By fonewear 2015-03-17 14:24:28
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Bloodrose said: »
Reality is over-rated, Lordgrim for Supreme Overlord 2020.

(I'm sorry that is rude)

I apologize !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 14:26:00
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Even if you did that you'd still need to have updated records. the system can update but you still rely on people to update the system in the first place so that it gets the records right in the first place. That's what your article seemed to address that there was a fundamental problem with record keeping. I would like to trust that records are generally updated, but in reality, there are internal controls in place in the federal/state government that are not being followed....
So there you go. A simple photo ID wouldn't change much.
I'm not for voter ID requirements, I'm against voter fraud.

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But how old is the Earth???
Greater than 6000 years, but less than the start of time.
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By fonewear 2015-03-17 14:29:31
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The Earth that thing is still around ?
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-17 14:32:03
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fonewear said: »
The Earth that thing is still around ?

Well it's not a square.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-17 14:33:12
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Lack of trust creates a need for accountability.
Lack of need to compete creates laziness.
Accountability creates paperwork and bureaucracy.
I'd argue that these premises are not accurate.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-17 14:40:18
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Verda said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Verda said: »
Lack of trust creates a need for accountability.
Lack of need to compete creates laziness.
Accountability creates paperwork and bureaucracy.
I'd argue that these premises are not accurate.

I'd argue they are obviously they're mine. They're generalizations based on observations and opinion so you would have a hard time disproving or proving them without lots of study. But I'd pay to see a study done that would look into it, people complain but do nothing I think that's the root of a lot of problems. Lack of need to compete wasn't factored into the rest of my post, it's just one more thing however that drives inefficiency, it was to show you I don't think there's one cause but I do think all those things are true and a big contribution.

It may be slightly unfair to say that they're inaccurate, but they are certain not universal.
 
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-17 14:43:33
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Asura.Kingnobody said: »Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Even if you did that you'd still need to have updated records. the system can update but you still rely on people to update the system in the first place so that it gets the records right in the first place. That's what your article seemed to address that there was a fundamental problem with record keeping. I would like to trust that records are generally updated, but in reality, there are internal controls in place in the federal/state government that are not being followed.... So there you go. A simple photo ID wouldn't change much.I'm not for voter ID requirements, I'm against voter fraud.
Can you go talk some sense into Nausi for us then?
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-17 14:55:09
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Asura.Kingnobody said: »Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Even if you did that you'd still need to have updated records. the system can update but you still rely on people to update the system in the first place so that it gets the records right in the first place. That's what your article seemed to address that there was a fundamental problem with record keeping. I would like to trust that records are generally updated, but in reality, there are internal controls in place in the federal/state government that are not being followed.... So there you go. A simple photo ID wouldn't change much.I'm not for voter ID requirements, I'm against voter fraud.
Can you go talk some sense into Nausi for us then?
Ain't KingNobody got time for that!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 14:59:21
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Asura.Kingnobody said: »Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Even if you did that you'd still need to have updated records. the system can update but you still rely on people to update the system in the first place so that it gets the records right in the first place. That's what your article seemed to address that there was a fundamental problem with record keeping. I would like to trust that records are generally updated, but in reality, there are internal controls in place in the federal/state government that are not being followed.... So there you go. A simple photo ID wouldn't change much.I'm not for voter ID requirements, I'm against voter fraud.
Can you go talk some sense into Nausi for us then?
I will when you can start quoting correctly.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-17 15:01:18
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Verda said: »
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I'd say accountability creates corporate and governmental transparency more than bureaucracy.

Accountability creates trust.

I believe that is the intent. But I think the effect is not 100% what we intended, sometimes not even close.
Can you explain how accountability creates bureaucracy?

Lack of need to compete also doesn't necessarily drive inefficiency. And what kind of inefficiencies are we talking about?
Organizational? Process? Redundancy?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-17 15:30:23
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His first question made him look dumb. The second one made him look even worse.

When second grader Aaron Stark went up to ask Republican Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker a question in this newly released video, the Governor had no idea that he was about to be made to look like an absolute fool by the young, but very astute man:

“If you were president, what would you do about climate change?”, the young man asked the Republican governor.

Trying to keep his composure, Scott Walker evaded the simple question, giving the boy an unintelligible answer about being a Boy Scout and keeping campsites clean, but the brave young man pressed on:

“Do you even care about climate change?”

At this point, the governor continued to crash and burn, giving a second unintelligible answer about securing natural resources for everyone, completely evading the boy’s question and exposing himself as the intellectual lightweight and political fraud that he is.

It’s truly sad that when a young Wisconsinite tried to ask his governor about saving his future and that of other young kids, the governor couldn’t even answer his question.

Kudos to the brave 7-year-old for exposing this fossil fuel-obsessed governor.
Watch: 7-Year-Old Makes Scott Walker Crash and Burn With 2 Questions


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Embattled Rep. Aaron Schock announced Tuesday he would resign his seat at the end of the month, in the wake of a congressional ethics investigation into reports that he used taxpayer money to fund lavish trips and events.

In a statement, he said he was stepping down "with a heavy heart," having given his constituents "my all over the last six years."

"But the constant questions over the last six weeks have proven a great distraction that has made it too difficult for me to serve the people of the 18th District with the high standards that they deserve and which I have set for myself," he added.

Politico first reported on Tuesday afternoon that Schock would step down. The news marks the end of an embarrassing chapter for the former GOP rising star known for his Instagram account and a memorable shirtless appearance on the cover of Men's Health magazine.

The four-term Republican was scheduled to attend a St. Patrick's Day event in Peoria on Tuesday, but didn't show — and the news of the congressman's abrupt resignation on Tuesday afternoon took at least some staff members in his Washington office by surprise, according to a person close to the office.

And Rep. Patrick McHenry, the GOP chief deputy whip, indicated Schock had not told his fellow leadership members of his plans to resign. McHenry told reporters he had not talked with Schock about his decision, but praised him and called it "a real loss"

"I think Aaron is a very intelligent person - he has had a great career in public service from his time on the school board, his time in the state House to his time in Congress so I think it's a real loss. I think it's a real loss."

Pressed about the multiple stories about improper travel/campaign spending, McHenry said, "I know none of the details."

But House Speaker John Boehner issued a statement shortly after the news broke praising Schock for deciding to step down.

"With this decision, Rep. Schock has put the best interests of his constituents and the House first," Boehner said. "I appreciate Aaron's years of service, and I wish him well in the future."

Within minutes of Schock's announcement, national Democrats pounced, with Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee spokesman Matt Thornton suggesting it was the latest example of disarray within Boehner's caucus.

"Fewer than 100 days in, Speaker Boehner has already seen his Speakership challenged, his caucus defiantly reject him time and again, some of his closest colleagues retire rather than watch their reputations dragged down by the gridlock and dysfunction, and now the second member of his caucus has resigned amid ethics scandal," Thornton said in a statement, a reference to Long Island Rep. Michael Grimm, who resigned late last year after pleading guilty to felony tax evasion charges.

"Speaker Boehner's Republican caucus is more like Animal House, and the American people deserve better," Thornton added.

The scandal surrounding the Illinois Republican's spending practices has ballooned since a Washington Post profile of his whimsically decorated office published last month raised initial questions about his finances.

Schock ended up paying back the government the $40,000 it cost to redecorate his office in the style of the popular PBS drama "Downton Abbey," but the controversy didn't stop there. The Illinois Republican later came under scrutiny for flights on private jets — including planes owned by key donors — concert tickets and other entertainment expenses. He's also under fire for lapses in reporting some of his expenses.

Most recently, the Associated Press reported on an array of Schock's business dealings that involved his political contributors. A number of Schock's associates had been contacted by investigators with the Office of Congressional Ethics, sources tell CNN, though the OCE did not respond to a request for comment.

With Schock's resignation, the Congressional ethics investigation will go away. The ethics committee has jurisdiction over sitting members of Congress. But any other potential probes, including a criminal case, would continue.

Republicans close to Schock have said the biggest questions about his finances involve mileage reimbursements from a car paid by for by his campaign account. If any federal or state laws were broken, Schock's resignation would not necessarily stop any investigation.
Aaron Schock to resign amid spending scandal
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 15:32:47
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Seriously Chaosx? Only idiots would fall for occupydemocrats.com "news"
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By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:34:42
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No true Scotsman makes a St. Patrick's Day argument !
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By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:36:10
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Yea I get it Scotland Ireland they all have bleak weather and drink !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-17 15:43:33
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Seriously Chaosx? Only idiots would fall for occupydemocrats.com "news"
You don't think exposing this fossil fuel-obsessed governor is news?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-17 15:46:02
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Seriously Chaosx? Only idiots would fall for occupydemocrats.com "news"
You don't think exposing this fossil fuel-obsessed governor is news?
I'm surprised that they expected the governor to answer such a loaded question coming from a 7 year old in a way that is beyond the 7 year old's comprehension.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-17 15:47:14
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Seriously Chaosx? Only idiots would fall for occupydemocrats.com "news"
You don't think exposing this fossil fuel-obsessed governor is news?
I'm surprised that they expected the governor to answer such a loaded question coming from a 7 year old in a way that is beyond the 7 year old's comprehension.
I like how they jumped on him expecting him to abide by their ideology and call him out on it.

That's what I get for checking out what's trending on Facebook.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-17 15:48:00
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The Aaron Schock thing is a real issue and an ethics investigation has been going on for awhile now as well as new allegations popping up.

The governor walker thing is just silly.
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By fonewear 2015-03-17 15:48:47
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I see a lot of 7 year old opinions on Facebook sometimes even by 7 year olds themselves !
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