Random Politics & Religion #00

the hype of fallout the severely over exaggerated due to cold war fears and Hollywood, just an fyi.

Nuclear fallout - as witnessed with the first of the atomic bombs, is not even remotely exaggerated by the cold war, or Hollywood.

Perhaps most reassuring of this is the view of the cityscapes themselves. Among some there is the unfounded fear that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are still radioactive; in reality, this is not true. Following a nuclear explosion, there are two forms of residual radioactivity. The first is the fallout of the nuclear material and fission products. Most of this was dispersed in the atmosphere or blown away by the wind. Though some did fall onto the city as black rain, the level of radioactivity today is so low it can be barely distinguished from the trace amounts presents throughout the world as a result of atmospheric tests in the 1950s and 1960s. The other form of radiation is neutron activation. Neutrons can cause non-radioactive materials to become radioactive when caught by atomic nuclei. However, since the bombs were detonated so far above the ground, there was very little contamination—especially in contrast to nuclear test sites such as those in Nevada. In fact, nearly all the induced radioactivity decayed within a few days of the explosions.

Nuclear fallout - as witnessed with the first of the atomic bombs, is not even remotely exaggerated by the cold war, or Hollywood.

Short term:

The dose that would be lethal to 50% of a population is a common parameter used to compare the effects of various fallout types or circumstances. Usually, the term is defined for a specific time, and limited to studies of acute lethality. The common time periods used are 30 days or less for most small laboratory animals and to 60 days for large animals and humans. The LD50 figure assumes that the individuals did not receive other injuries or medical treatment.

In the 1950s, the LD50 for gamma rays was set at 3.5 Gy, while under more dire conditions of war (a bad diet, little medical care, poor nursing) the LD50 was 2.5 Gy (250 rad). There have been few documented cases of survival beyond 6 Gy. One person at Chernobyl survived a dose of more than 10 Gy, but many of the persons exposed there were not uniformly exposed over their entire body. If a person is exposed in a non-homogeneous manner then a given dose (averaged over the entire body) is less likely to be lethal. For instance, if a person gets a hand/low arm dose of 100 Gy, which gives them an overall dose of 4 Gy, they are more likely to survive than a person who gets a 4 Gy dose over their entire body. A hand dose of 10 Gy or more would likely result in loss of the hand. A British industrial radiographer who got a lifetime hand dose of 100 Gy lost his hand because of radiation dermatitis[citation needed]. Most people become ill after an exposure to 1 Gy or more. The fetuses of pregnant women are often more vulnerable to radiation and may miscarry, especially in the first trimester.

One hour after a surface burst, the radiation from fallout in the crater region is 30 grays per hour (Gy/h)[clarification needed]. Civilian dose rates in peacetime range from 30 to 100 µGy per year.

Fallout radiation decays exponentially relatively quickly with time. Most areas become fairly safe for travel and decontamination after three to five weeks.[citation needed]

For yields of up to 10 kt, prompt radiation is the dominant producer of casualties on the battlefield. Humans receiving an acute incapacitating dose (30 Gy) have their performance degraded almost immediately and become ineffective within several hours. However, they do not die until five to six days after exposure, assuming they do not receive any other injuries. Individuals receiving less than a total of 1.5 Gy are not incapacitated. People receiving doses greater than 1.5 Gy become disabled, and some eventually die.

A dose of 5.3 Gy to 8.3 Gy is considered lethal but not immediately incapacitating. Personnel exposed to this amount of radiation have their performance degraded in two to three hours, depending on how physically demanding the tasks they must perform are, and remain in this disabled state at least two days. However, at that point they experience a recovery period and can perform non-demanding tasks for about six days, after which they relapse for about four weeks. At this time they begin exhibiting symptoms of radiation poisoning of sufficient severity to render them totally ineffective. Death follows at approximately six weeks after exposure, although outcomes may vary.

Long term:

Late or delayed effects of radiation occur following a wide range of doses and dose rates. Delayed effects may appear months to years after irradiation and include a wide variety of effects involving almost all tissues or organs. Some of the possible delayed consequences of radiation injury are life shortening, carcinogenesis, cataract formation, chronic radiodermatitis, decreased fertility, and genetic mutations.[3] Presently, the only teratological effect observed in humans following nuclear attacks on highly populated areas is microcephaly which is the only proven malformation, or congenital abnormality, found in the in utero developing human fetuses present during the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. Of all the pregnant women exposed in the two cities, the number of children born with microcephaly was below 50.[4] No statistically demonstrable increase of congenital malformations was found among the later conceived children born to survivors of the nuclear detonations at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[4][5][6] The surviving women of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who could conceive and were exposed to substantial amounts of radiation went on and had children with no higher incidence of abnormalities than the Japanese average.[7][8]

The Baby Tooth Survey helped to determine the effects of nuclear fallout in the human anatomy by examining the levels of radioactive material absorbed into the deciduous teeth of children. Founded by the husband and wife team of physicians Eric Reiss and Louise Reiss, the research focused on detecting the presence of strontium-90, a cancer-causing radioactive isotope created by the more than 400 atomic tests conducted above ground that is absorbed from water and dairy products into the bones and teeth given its chemical similarity to calcium. The team sent collection forms to schools in the St. Louis, Missouri area, hoping to gather 50,000 teeth each year. Ultimately, the project collected over 300,000 teeth from children of various ages before the project was ended in 1970.[9]

Preliminary results of the Baby Tooth Survey were published in the November 24, 1961, edition of the journal Science, and showed that levels of strontium 90 had risen steadily in children born in the 1950s, with those born later showing the most pronounced increases.[10] The results of a more comprehensive study of the elements found in the teeth collected showed that children born after 1963 had levels of strontium 90 in their baby teeth that was 50 times higher than that found in children born before large-scale atomic testing began. The findings helped convince U.S. President John F. Kennedy to sign the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty with the United Kingdom and Soviet Union, which ended the above-ground nuclear weapons testing that created the greatest amounts of atmospheric nuclear fallout.

The fallout from a nuclear bomb is called "peace".

Black Rain, look it up.

edit: Not the movie but what occurs after a nuclear detonation.

Funny enough, Americans have this sick obsession with nuking people. Pretty sad.

I like to think that it's the legislation-via-***-swinging folks are the ones who have an obsession with nuking people.

Seems to be a fraction of the country who believe murder is always the answer, and they forgot the question.

Well there's love, then there's obsess over.

Lets just destroy all our weapons and the world will be a peaceful place, right?

There is still very little opposition to aggression. Even the most radical liberal president ever is firing off hellfire missiles they've got the shelf life of organic milk.

Some measure of sarcasm should be obvious.

??? Could have swore you go out of your way to call him conservative. I'd go looking for the posts, but I'm sure you would say that we just misunderstand what you said.

If just having them was enough, you'd have a point, but it's sure not going to be a peaceful place if we insist on using them on every developing nation that has contrary ideas.

You bolded the wrong part.

Edit: I've also never called him conservative, he's moderate.

When was just having anything "enough"..? It's not so much we insist on using them either.

It's been enough for the Swiss for generations. And, as far as atomic weapons, simply having them has been enough to discourage major conflicts for every nation that has them besides us.

And, as far as atomic weapons

This just in: It's naive to think that not bombing everyone constantly would lead to war...

Not surprising vic likes your post because it makes zero sense.



When exactly did we start dropping nukes on "everyone" Flip flopping from point to point.. The mark of a desperate liberal.. FFS the last at least 2 pages have been about nukes and all the sudden you switch to plain ole bombs.. smh

This just in: It's naive to think that not bombing everyone constantly would lead to war...

Does it matter? It's "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation in regards to the world police (aka the USA) and those who have a chip on their shoulder (this time around, it's ISIS).

We drop a nuke, a war will start. Many people will die, but it will end quicker.

We don't drop a nuke, a war will eventually start. Many people will die, but not all at once.

Either way, it's the same outcome. The players involved in this upcoming war will depend on a nuke being dropped or not. Personally, I don't want to piss of Germany and the UK.

Does it matter? It's "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation in regards to the world police (aka the USA) and those who have a chip on their shoulder (this time around, it's ISIS).

We drop a nuke, a war will start. Many people will die, but it will end quicker.

We don't drop a nuke, a war will eventually start. Many people will die, but not all at once.

Either way, it's the same outcome. The players involved in this upcoming war will depend on a nuke being dropped or not. Personally, I don't want to piss of Germany and the UK.