Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Doesn't fit your agenda?
Altimaomega said: »
Most likely because you know you are 100% wrong and need to change the subject.
We've had some fun tonight, so let's not devolve.
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I'm just waiting to find out that all the voting machines have been hacked by people on 4chan to vote for trump.
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Altimaomega said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
You are free to use whatever poll you want, use Fox News, but to try to say that Clinton doesn't have support is delusion.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
the huge support Clinton has
All the polls go by the past few elections voter turnout. Everyone know this.. DOesn't matter if its fox,nbc,abcdefg...
Nowhere did I say Clinton doesn't have support, just not as much as you are claiming.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Why don't you ask Aman what poll he is using to say Clinton has zero chance of winning? Doesn't fit your agenda?
Last I checked, I wasn't addressing Aman. Nor was he addressing me.. Why do you need to bring him into this? Most likely because you know you are 100% wrong and need to change the subject.
Didn't back pedal at all. Polls are taken every week. All of them show Clinton is either leading, tied, or close to Trump. Which leads to the easy conclusion that she has as much or more support than Trump. I am not even 1% wrong, and I am not changing the subject. Dismissing polls because they are biased doesn't work, it is your go-to strategy but it doesn't de-legitimatize them. What do you have to counter this again? Saevel just posted numbers that support this basic conclusion. What are you actually going on?
Drama Torama said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Interesting how that works out isn't it? Even though it is easily found to be Democrats that lead that town (state) to ruin, they managed to pin it on the first Republican Governor in a generation.
There's actually more than enough blame to go around, there, but Snyder was the one appointing people to handle the situation/manage the transition in the first place. And honestly, if they'd acted on the new information from the onset, this is a much smaller deal and he probably comes out looking better (by watching out for his people and acting on new data).
So while he can't bear all the blame, he actually does deserve to take some licks on this one. The coverup was reprehensible.
Far as I can tell once the EPA came clean he acted asap. Yes Snyder was the one appointing people to manage the situation the damage was already done.
It's like putting out a grease fire with water...puns. Democrat literally stole millions and bankrupted that city which lead directly to the current water crisis. Could it have been handle better in the end? Sure, everything can be handled better in hindsight.
Oh and the residents just voted in some more democrats to run the place.. smh.. I'm sure sooner or later some Republicans will get voted in so some blame can get placed.
Altimaomega said: »
Far as I can tell once the EPA came clean he acted asap. Yes Snyder was the one appointing people to manage the situation the damage was already done.
There's pretty substantial evidence that they knew pretty early on, and either ignored it or outright covered it up. Neither is particularly acceptable.
But, as I said: lots and lots of blame to go around here. Part of being the Governor though, is that the buck stops there.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
You are free to use whatever poll you want, use Fox News, but to try to say that Clinton doesn't have support is delusion.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
the huge support Clinton has
All the polls go by the past few elections voter turnout. Everyone know this.. DOesn't matter if its fox,nbc,abcdefg...
Nowhere did I say Clinton doesn't have support, just not as much as you are claiming.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Why don't you ask Aman what poll he is using to say Clinton has zero chance of winning? Doesn't fit your agenda?
Last I checked, I wasn't addressing Aman. Nor was he addressing me.. Why do you need to bring him into this? Most likely because you know you are 100% wrong and need to change the subject.
Didn't back pedal at all. Polls are taken every week. All of them show Clinton is either leading, tied, or close to Trump. Which leads to the easy conclusion that she has as much or more support than Trump. I am not even 1% wrong, and I am not changing the subject. Dismissing polls because they are biased doesn't work, it is your go-to strategy but it doesn't de-legitimatize them. What do you have to counter this again? Saevel just posted numbers that support this basic conclusion. What are you actually going on?
I've been waiting for you to actually post some numbers from this massive Clinton following you claim is happening.
So far you have just been deflecting with polls that do not reflect the voter base this election and think you are onto something.
Seriously post me a poll that shows that it isn't polling more democrats than republicans. I'll wait. Probably forever because one does not exists.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Saevel just posted numbers that support this basic conclusion.
Drama Torama said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Far as I can tell once the EPA came clean he acted asap. Yes Snyder was the one appointing people to manage the situation the damage was already done.
There's pretty substantial evidence that they knew pretty early on, and either ignored it or outright covered it up. Neither is particularly acceptable.
But, as I said: lots and lots of blame to go around here. Part of being the Governor though, is that the buck stops there.
You're correct, and that is exactly what he is doing. He is actually taking responsibility for it. Isn't that incredible? Quite a bit of evidence exists to show that democrats are heavily too blame but he has manned up and taken charge.
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Awesome things
Its not a deflection, weekly polls are not using old voter turnout as you claim. They are call centers, asking people who they support for this election, and Clinton is competitive in all of them. They don't care about previous elections. I have yet to see one where Trump is running away with it.
As I said, you dismissing a poll because you think its biased does not in any way de-legitimatize them. She has a ton of money, she has millions of votes, and she is competitive in the polls. So again I ask, what are you going on? What source are you using that says Clinton doesn't have as much support as Trump?
As I said, you dismissing a poll because you think its biased does not in any way de-legitimatize them. She has a ton of money, she has millions of votes, and she is competitive in the polls. So again I ask, what are you going on? What source are you using that says Clinton doesn't have as much support as Trump?
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Its not a deflection, weekly polls are not using old voter turnout as you claim. They are call centers, asking people who they support for this election, and Clinton is competitive in all of them. They don't care about previous elections. I have yet to see one where Trump is running away with it.
As I said, you dismissing a poll because you think its biased does not in any way de-legitimatize them. She has a ton of money, she has millions of votes, and she is competitive in the polls. So again I ask, what are you going on? What source are you using that says Clinton doesn't have as much support as Trump?
As I said, you dismissing a poll because you think its biased does not in any way de-legitimatize them. She has a ton of money, she has millions of votes, and she is competitive in the polls. So again I ask, what are you going on? What source are you using that says Clinton doesn't have as much support as Trump?
Oh look. The first post I made on the subject.
Altimaomega said: »
Considering Every state is breaking Republican Voting records by rather large margins? Or considering that the Democrat turnout for primary's is nothing close to 2008 or even 2012?
I just have not seen this "huge support" among any voter group in favor of Clinton.. Bernie on the other hand at least has a following of crazies.
I just have not seen this "huge support" among any voter group in favor of Clinton.. Bernie on the other hand at least has a following of crazies.
Show me Numbers that beat the record breaking turnout for Trump and the other Republicans. Trumps numbers alone are more than Hillary and sanders combined!
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
They are call centers, asking people who they support for this election, and Clinton is competitive in all of them.
Maybe if you could actually link one of these magical polls that shows Democrats are not being favored, I would be more inclined to at least take you seriously.
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Altimaomega said: »
I've been waiting for you to actually post some numbers from this massive Clinton following you claim is happening.
So far you have just been deflecting with polls that do not reflect the voter base this election and think you are onto something.
Seriously post me a poll that shows that it isn't polling more democrats than republicans. I'll wait. Probably forever because one does not exists.
So far you have just been deflecting with polls that do not reflect the voter base this election and think you are onto something.
Seriously post me a poll that shows that it isn't polling more democrats than republicans. I'll wait. Probably forever because one does not exists.
Clinton has massive following among core Democrats with the more extreme fringe preferring Sanders. And since those are the only votes that matter to the Democrats he gets the perception that there is this huge Nation wide Democrat revolution taking place.
Essentially his belief is "Hilary has massive support among Democrats".
Now if we want to start talking about the swing voters that really changes. Hillary is just "Obama v2.0". She is beholden to the same powers that he was forced to heed, and people know this. With Obama's current disfavor rubbing off on her, her only hope is that Cruz wins the GoP nomination with a minority vote and thus cause's Trump to run against the Republicans taking all his supporters with him. That doesn't seem likely to happen as Trump is well on his way to victory and the political situation she'll be facing is virtually unwinnable.
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Altimaomega said: »
Show me Numbers that beat the record breaking turnout for Trump and the other Republicans. Trumps numbers alone are more than Hillary and sanders combined!
Oh really? You sure about that? Common sense would say that is doubtful, since it is just Clinton and Sanders on the Dem side. I am willing to bet that Clinton has the most votes of all the candidates.
Asura.Saevel said: »
She is beholden to the same powers that he was forced to heed, and people know this.
This is exactly what this election is all about. Trump, Cruz, and Bernie. All are out against the way Washington is being ran in one way or the other.
Out of those 3, with Trump being the Nominee and getting the GOP establishment votes. Should really be a shoe in. I'm expecting A rather large majority win in November for Trump if things keep going the way they are.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Show me Numbers that beat the record breaking turnout for Trump and the other Republicans. Trumps numbers alone are more than Hillary and sanders combined!
Oh really? You sure about that? Common sense would say that is doubtful, since it is just Clinton and Sanders on the Dem side. I am willing to bet that Clinton has the most votes of all the candidates.
I actually meant to say in a lot states*
I would like to see how many total votes in all states so far for each candidate, but I am having a hard time finding it.
I have only found the total votes, which shows Clinton is indeed in the lead. But of course, she has less support than Trump overall, because Obama.
Trump closed that little gap quite a bit tonight as well, if not surpassed her.
Not to mention how many of the Cruz voters would have voted Trump if he would have dropped out.
I dunno if the same could be said for Sanders voters.
Not to mention how many of the Cruz voters would have voted Trump if he would have dropped out.
I dunno if the same could be said for Sanders voters.
Lol, things have gotten a bit weird here in Utah. Bernie kicked the crap out of Hillary, and early reporting shows Trump in last place too.
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lol, things have gotten a bit weird here in Utah. Bernie kicked the crap out of Hillary, and early reporting shows Trump in last place too.
That makes sense when you remember that Utah is one of the centers of the super-religious conservatives. Cruz is the "I pray to Jesus for guidance before I chose my breakfast cereal" candidate while Trump couldn't give a ***about religion. Best to see Utah as "Core GOP".
So the current tally is
Trump 738
Cruz 423 (463 with Utah's votes)
Kasich 143
Needed to win : 1,237
Trump still ahead by 275 and at this point even if Kasich pledged all this delegates to Cruz it wouldn't be enough. Trump is 59% of the way to the needed number while Cruz is at 37% and it's looking like his candidacy is picking up even more steam.
Asura.Saevel said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lol, things have gotten a bit weird here in Utah. Bernie kicked the crap out of Hillary, and early reporting shows Trump in last place too.
That makes sense when you remember that Utah is one of the centers of the super-religious conservatives. Cruz is the "I pray to Jesus for guidance before I chose my breakfast cereal" candidate while Trump couldn't give a ***about religion. Best to see Utah as "Core GOP".
True, but Utah doesn't always fall in step with the Bible Belt. At any rate, I hear some chatter from Democrats on the local news about the turnout and how Utah could do a flip this election and become a blue state. Pure delusion at its finest. If Hillary gets indicted and Bernie takes the nod, then maybe we'll talk. I expect to see a lot of people staying home for a Trump/Clinton general election, though.
Altimaomega said: »
Rav lives in Utah! Never would have guessed it!
Heh. I've mentioned it offhand a few times, but yeah.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Heh. I've mentioned it offhand a few times, but yeah.
So are Utah people Utopians, like Michigan people are Michiganders?
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Apparently, we are taking a massive break from the primaries after tonight. Only one state goes in the next 4 weeks.
???
Altimaomega said: »
So are Utah people Utopians
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Utah's pretty. I'm there for a tech conference every year, and I'm always amazed at how gorgeous the place is.
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Have a friend from there who always brags about having the best landscapes of the US(he might be overshooting a little, but I dunno!)
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Have a friend from there who always brags about having the best landscapes of the US(he might be overshooting a little, but I dunno!)
If he is, it's not by much. It's REALLY pretty.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
What source are you using that says Clinton doesn't have as much support as Trump?
It makes me ill, but I can tell you from an eye test of people I know that pretty much anyone who isn't an across-the-board liberal is kinda loving the ***out of Trump.
It's really depressing. I avoid Facebook now because of it.
And make all the jokes about "avoiding Facebook is a good idea anyhow" you want, but it's also the best way I have to stay in touch with a lot of friends and family who live very far away.
Anyhow, while I know anecdotal evidence is questionable, some of these people are people who I consider very close and we have very similar mindsets on most things.
Trump just has a certain appeal to a few very specific things that gets some people very excited. He taps people's anger and makes it okay to be a little bit (a lot) terrible because everyone else is doing it too, and it will make us great!
...yeah, we've never heard that message before.
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
I hope you're the only one who believes that.
Like I said before, Good vs. Evil, Man vs. Beast, Us vs. Them. They all have those same messages....
Those finites are for people who can't process duality.
Late, but.
(I know it's from the dreaded "second half" of the movie that no one else seems to care about, but...)
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Ramyrez said: »
an eye test
Stop eyeballing, that's why we have parsers
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