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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-14 00:15:41
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The scotus BS? Yep, no idea what you are talking about, certainly don't remember saying anything wrong and definitely don't remember you proving anything since there is next to nothing that can be proven in that situation. Obama is going to appoint someone and the Senate is going to embarrass itself.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-03-14 00:17:44
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Altimaomega said: »
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Bernie is hardly bought. Also, his record against trade deals like NAFTA and TPP is worth acknowledging. Here's some of his history against those deals, which is ripe for analysis whether you're for, against, or on the fence.
He has been in politics for practically all his adult life and accomplished nothing. Not one of his bills has ever been passed, that in itself is an achievement though, I guess.

Not even remotely true. The majority of his works have been amendments to existing bills, or have been amended under someone else's name. I managed to dig up a list of bills and amendments (disregarding stuff like renaming post offices) that he sponsored:
Note that this does not include bills he co-sponsored and other achievements. If you really want, I can dig up those kinds of things.

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While I agree with his assessments of all the problems our country faces I disagree with every single one of his solutions.
That's fair.

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I seriously worry for you if you can't comprehend why it's bad.
Tell me why it is a bad thing being pro-american and wanting a secure border? Especially in the times we live in.
It depends how you define "pro-American" and "secure" border. The way Trump defines them are what's instigating the hostility, whether from his supporters or opponents.
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-14 00:23:24
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Not even remotely true. The majority of his works have been amendments to existing bills, or have been amended under someone else's name. I managed to dig up a list of bills and amendments (disregarding stuff like renaming post offices) that he sponsored:

Are any of those an actual bill that he himself wrote and it passed? If so then I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

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It depends how you define "pro-American" and "secure" border.
That's the problem, everyone defines it differently. Normally to suit their agenda.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-14 00:26:30
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
It depends how you define "pro-American" and "secure" border. The way Trump defines them are what's instigating the hostility, whether from his supporters or opponents.

Wouldn't expect much, if Trump can't even define his foreign policy don't expect his supporters to be able to. The funniest thing is, Clinton could actually be attacked on foreign policy, but not by Trump, the guy is clueless and she will eat him alive.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-03-14 00:35:03
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Altimaomega said: »
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Not even remotely true. The majority of his works have been amendments to existing bills, or have been amended under someone else's name. I managed to dig up a list of bills and amendments (disregarding stuff like renaming post offices) that he sponsored:

Are any of those an actual bill that he himself wrote and it passed? If so then I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
All but one of his original notable bills have since been amended over the years. The one that hasn't been amended is rather new:
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  • Directs the Secretary of the VA to increase, as of December 1, 2013, the rates of veterans' disability compensation, additional compensation for dependents, the clothing allowance for certain disabled veterans, and dependency and indemnity compensation for surviving spouses and children. Requires each such increase to be the same percentage as the increase in benefits provided under title II (Old Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance) of the Social Security Act, on the same effective date. S.893 (Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013)

Back on point, your claim that he "accomplished nothing" is irrefutably wrong.

edit: You should look over some of those bills, at least the descriptions. Veteran benefits and more effective use of tax dollars are regular themes. Factor in his position against trade deals and how they are the largely responsible for outsourcing of jobs. You've got a guy who is 1) extremely skilled and experienced at the political process, 2) fighting for things that many conservatives hold in high regard, and 3) can't be bought. I can understand if you don't want him for president, but I'm having a hard time imagining why anyone would not approve of him as a senator.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-14 07:43:28
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Bernie is hardly bought. Also, his record against trade deals like NAFTA and TPP is worth acknowledging. Here's some of his history against those deals, which is ripe for analysis whether you're for, against, or on the fence.
You know, for a group of people to call Trump a xenophobe, you just provided a perfect example of one. Sanders would stop all trade with every other country if given the chance. That's a classic case of a xenophobe in today's global society....

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I stand by my choice though, since I'm confident his policies would be a net gain
Care to give examples as to why you think that?

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I also believe he's the most likely to hold himself accountable for possible failures and actually address them.
His whole ideology is a probable (not possible, it will happen) failure. And yet, he keeps trucking through it.

France is a perfect example of the closest thing to socialism this world has seen. How are they doing again? Oh right, economic growth is negative, overall wealth is negative, overall social welfare is stagnate. Seems like it's working to me!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-14 07:52:06
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
We are currently slaughtering ISIS after having nearly wiped out Al-Qaeda
ISIS did more damage to Al-Qaeda than the US did under Obama's leadership. Unless you want to call creating ISIS a good thing....

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Obama's sanctions sent Russia into a deep recession
The sanctions on Russia is only against Russia's elite, not to the country at whole. We do not have an embargo of any goods to the general population....

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the citizens are starving
You seem so happy for the suffering of people. And liberals are considered the "tolerate" group of people (except towards everyone else, it seems)....

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we didn't even have to do anything and Russia has been set back by a decade
And you are claiming victory for that? Russia's problems were created by Russian policy, not American. Stop claiming victory over nothing done....

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China is in a huge recession
Their bubble burst. It happens, nothing America has done to burst it. Sure, we may have helped create their economic bubble with trade, but we certainly didn't burst it. China did.

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the dollar is as strong as its ever been
And I'm sure in your eyes, Obama had everything to do with it.

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there are no viable threats to the US, at all.
Except for ISIS, Al Qaeda, North Korea, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders. No threats at all!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-14 09:37:40
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Are you copying altima's response style now? Pretty sure ISIS hasn't killed nearly as many Al-Qaeda operatives as the US has in the last 7 years, while ISIS has killed how many US soldiers? ..Less than 10? ..Less than 5? Its as one-sided a war as you can get, probably the most primitive military group we have ever fought.

The Western sanctions had a devastating affect on the Russian currency, right now its 70:1, its been as low as 85:1. Before Putin's idiocy is was around 25:1. Obama's restraint of military use, which the GOP was clamoring for, has worked just fine. Russia is in a recession that is going to last at least 3 years. Yes, its a victory for Obama, one that the next couple of Presidents will appreciate.

Nothing about whats going on in China has to do with an anti-American foreign policy. We helped facilitate their recession but for the most part they did do it to themselves, as you say.

How is North Korea a threat to us again? Really? What, are you afraid of their "missile program?" The same one that we can detect as soon as the missile is in the air, plot its trajectory, and determine whether or not its a threat to us, in less than a minute? They are no more a threat to us than ISIS or whats left of Al-Qaeda. And these are just simple talking points that I am reciting, you guys can't even counter them.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-03-14 09:40:20
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All of your points are invalid.

Trump is going to make america great again!
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By Ramyrez 2016-03-14 09:43:57
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
All of your points are invalid.

Trump is going to make america great again!

I was on an elevator once with someone who farted the worst fart in the history of fart.

I maintained a straight face and dealt with it because what else was I going to do?

I told you that story so I could tell you this one:

I still can't keep a straight face any time Trump says he's making anything great.
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-03-14 09:47:12
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We don't make good deals anymore ramy, Trump's gonna negotiate. HE'LL GET US GOOD DEALS.
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By Ramyrez 2016-03-14 09:48:21
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We don't make good deals anymore ramy, Trump's gonna negotiate. HE'LL GET US GOOD DEALS.

I like saving money as much as the next schlub, but I can live without buy-one-get-one meal tickets at the Chinese buffet table.
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-03-14 09:49:33
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It'll be more better!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-03-14 09:52:58
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It'll be more better!

it'll be the bestest!!
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-03-14 10:02:46
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I heard he's got a big *** too!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-03-14 10:03:16
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Ramyrez said: »
I still can't keep a straight face any time Trump says he's making anything great.

nobody cares about your stupid face!

sooth the bern with butthurt creme and the embrace the inevitable!

President Trump

america.. it's gunna be YUGE!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-03-14 10:22:31
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Artemicion said: »

2) ... Trump is not a nazi, nor is he literally Hitler. However, the things he says and proposes do lean to what one could describe as fascist, totalitarian or draconian....
You are insulting dragons.

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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Bernie is hardly bought. Also, his record against trade deals like NAFTA and TPP is worth acknowledging. Here's some of his history against those deals, which is ripe for analysis whether you're for, against, or on the fence.

He has been in politics for practically all his adult life and accomplished nothing....
The people of Burlington VT would disagree with you and that's just for starters.
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By Drama Torama 2016-03-14 10:30:35
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Artemicion said: »
2) ... Trump is not a nazi, nor is he literally Hitler
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-03-14 10:44:56
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Not to be a ***, but if you look at the people at the Trump rallies, they look like those people in movies and TV shows that play hateful, racist, bigoted characters. It seems he has the everyday-looking people sit behind him in camera view, the rest look like hillbillies.

Aside from that, I read an article or blog post or some such by a Bernie supporter who went to a Trump rally, not to protest, but to see what it was all about and apparently Trump simply makes blaket statements ("we're going to make America great again") but gives no explanation as to how and appears to simply repeat the stuff that he knows gets a cheer and his supporters aren't smart enough to pick up on that.

The blog post went on to say that they expected a few laughs but it turned out to be really scary. These supporters seem to believe Trump will make illegal immigrants 'disappear' as one woman in the crowd shouted.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-14 10:48:24
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Not to be a ***, but if you look at the people at the Trump rallies, they look like those people in movies and TV shows that play hateful, racist, bigoted characters. It seems he has the everyday-looking people sit behind him in camera view, the rest look like hillbillies.

Aside from that, I read an article or blog post or some such by a Bernie supporter who went to a Trump rally, not to protest, but to see what it was all about and apparently Trump simply makes blaket statements ("we're going to make America great again") but gives no explanation as to how and appears to simply repeat the stuff that he knows gets a cheer and his supporters aren't smart enough to pick up on that.

The blog post went on to say that they expected a few laughs but it turned out to be really scary. These supporters seem to believe Trump will make illegal immigrants 'disappear' as one woman in the crowd shouted.

We are going to make America great again, BELIEVE ME. At least once every 5 sentences, whether its a rally or a debate.
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-03-14 10:52:36
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These supporters seem to believe Trump will make illegal immigrants 'disappear' as one woman in the crowd shouted.

it's pretty easy when they're not coming here anymore.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-03-14 10:57:38
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Not to be a ***, but if you look at the people at the Trump rallies, they look like those people in movies and TV shows that play hateful, racist, bigoted characters. It seems he has the everyday-looking people sit behind him in camera view, the rest look like hillbillies.

Aside from that, I read an article or blog post or some such by a Bernie supporter who went to a Trump rally, not to protest, but to see what it was all about and apparently Trump simply makes blaket statements ("we're going to make America great again") but gives no explanation as to how and appears to simply repeat the stuff that he knows gets a cheer and his supporters aren't smart enough to pick up on that.

The blog post went on to say that they expected a few laughs but it turned out to be really scary. These supporters seem to believe Trump will make illegal immigrants 'disappear' as one woman in the crowd shouted.

We are going to make America great again, BELIEVE ME. At least once every 5 sentences, whether its a rally or a debate.
We're going to build a wall, it's going to be a great wall, and we're gonna make Mexico pay for it as if it's a *** pizza delivery.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-03-14 11:09:15
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Trump really is going to make America great again

see, that wasn't so difficult...

/puts trump sign in vic's yard


NEXT!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-03-14 11:11:19
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Not to be a ***, but if you look at the people at the Trump rallies, they look like those people in movies and TV shows that play hateful, racist, bigoted characters. It seems he has the everyday-looking people sit behind him in camera view, the rest look like hillbillies.

Aside from that, I read an article or blog post or some such by a Bernie supporter who went to a Trump rally, not to protest, but to see what it was all about and apparently Trump simply makes blaket statements ("we're going to make America great again") but gives no explanation as to how and appears to simply repeat the stuff that he knows gets a cheer and his supporters aren't smart enough to pick up on that.

The blog post went on to say that they expected a few laughs but it turned out to be really scary. These supporters seem to believe Trump will make illegal immigrants 'disappear' as one woman in the crowd shouted.

We are going to make America great again, BELIEVE ME. At least once every 5 sentences, whether its a rally or a debate.
We're going to build a wall, it's going to be a great wall, and we're gonna make Mexico pay for it as if it's a *** pizza delivery.

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By Jetackuu 2016-03-14 11:12:43
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Make America flat again?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-14 11:16:35
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Say NO to thin crust!
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By Ramyrez 2016-03-14 11:29:45
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Say NO to thin crust!

Crunchy thin crust can go away.

But a thinnish crust with a bit of a crustiness to the bottom, but that's still bendable and has a little chew to it?

Marvelous.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2016-03-14 11:35:32
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I'll shove some UK politics in here again.

It is expected in the new budget statement on Wednesday that the Tories will be going ahead with cuts to Disability Living Allowance and at the same time will be raising the threshold people will start paying the 40% tax rate (currently £31,786), therefore paying for tax cuts to higher earners through cuts to benefits for the disabled.

Gotta love the Conservatives.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-03-14 11:40:47
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Cerberus.Tidis said: »
I'll shove some UK politics in here again.

It is expected in the new budget statement on Wednesday that the Tories will be going ahead with cuts to Disability Living Allowance and at the same time will be raising the threshold people will start paying the 40% tax rate (currently £31,786), therefore paying for tax cuts to higher earners through cuts to benefits for the disabled.

Gotta love the Conservatives.

seriously dude!?

we're about to experience the friggin worldwide calamity that is the trumpocalypse and you're worried about cripple cuts?

just keep calm and keep voting for the monster raving looney party to move your island someplace warmer you limey ***
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-03-14 11:41:21
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Cerberus.Tidis said: »
I'll shove some UK politics in here again.

what's going on with the EU exit thing?
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