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Random Politics & Religion #00
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-02-28 12:12:12
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.
When people rail against the healthcare system, they're railing against the experience as a user within the states not power projection on the part of the US.
For a typical healthcare user in the states, the system is a nightmare of complexity, lopsided service and prices so exorbitant most people are one major surgery from bankruptcy. Might as well have that car crash kill you since it'll probably wipe out your nonexistent savings.
But we all know this already.
I've been unemployed before and medi-cal was fantastic. I experienced BETTER service. Never did I receive a bill, my meds for were always covered. i didn't have to go to a county hospital I got to go to Kaiser.
Even now with insurance my experience is fantastic. My specialists and lab tests are pricey. They're always covered. I pay 20 copay for my specialist. And I pay 50 bucks for my 3000 monthly meds. I can't complain.
Wonderful. If only every American had such a glowing review of the healthcare system. I once got a $50,000 bill for a light procedure. Now if I didn't have insurance I just might have walked into traffic that day.
The cost of procedures is due to how the US approaches medicine. MDs are expensive. Get their salaries cut. No reason a research scientist should make less than half of physician.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:14:24
Lmao. Yeah ok, go back to grow cucumbers or whatever you do in your freetime.
Actually America grows and produces everything it could ever need and more. Why exactly does it need the rest of the world?
Sure the rest of the world has been proven to need America! But not the other way around!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 12:14:26
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Waaah. I demand everyone else pay for me!
Says the guy that apparently has never seen an itemized hospital bill.
Or has been denied service due to a preexisting condition. Hospital bills are in large part so ridiculous because we have to pay for everyone who doesn't.
why should your pre-existing condition be someone else's problem?
But.. But.. The ACA was suppose to fix this!
It did. It's one of the only parts of the provision most pols want to keep. That and the staying on parents plans to 26.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:16:11
Silly me, I should have bolded the important part.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Says the guy that apparently has never seen an itemized hospital bill.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-02-28 12:16:16
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them. Pretty selective memory there Bacon.
Reagan ignored Aids. Bush I admitted its existence. Reagan's attitude was "There's a disease that only kills ***? And we're supposed to do something about it?"
Epidemics are handled by government agencies, like the NIH, surgeon general's office, and the public health service. These are not the insurance companies that run our health care at enormous profit.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-02-28 12:18:30
I could argue both ways for Reagan. He had a machine with a very poor accuracy at detecting the virus. Was he supposed to throw the nation into more wide spread panic?
Epidemics are handled by government agencies, like the NIH, surgeon general's office, and the public health service. These are not the insurance companies that run our health care at enormous profit. It's the insurance company that pays for the treatments. The US government only intervenes if you require assistance or there's a significant public health concern.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:19:30
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I could argue both ways for Reagan. He had a machine with a very poor accuracy at detecting the virus. Was he supposed to throw the nation into more wide spread panic?
Why not? It works for democrats.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-02-28 12:26:51
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I could argue both ways for Reagan. He had a machine with a very poor accuracy at detecting the virus. Was he supposed to throw the nation into more wide spread panic?
Why not? It works for democrats.
I think Reagan saw the commercials, the news, and refused to allow more chaos.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:28:37
Obama and the Democrats hope and change. Too bad Bernie is going down. Democratic Socialism could have fixed this!
Quote: The last recession ended in June 2009, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. In the six full calendar years since then (2010-2015), real annual GDP growth has never exceeded the 2.5 percent it hit in 2010.
“The average growth rate for economic recoveries since the 1960s is 3.9 percent ranking the Obama recovery, with an average GDP growth rate of just 2.1 percent, among the slowest in history,” said Sen. Dan Coats (R.-Ind,), who chairs the Joint Economic Committee of the U.S. Congress.
Before this period, the longest stretch of years when real GDP did not grow by at least 3.0 percent, as calculatd by the BEA, was the four-year stretch from 1930 to 1933—during the Great Depression.
The Old GOP has failed to unite, Obama has failed period. Why are you guys so against Trump and Cruz?
Rubio and Clinton would just be more of the same and I think we can all agree we do no need more of the same.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:29:57
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I could argue both ways for Reagan. He had a machine with a very poor accuracy at detecting the virus. Was he supposed to throw the nation into more wide spread panic?
Why not? It works for democrats.
I think Reagan saw the commercials, the news, and refused to allow more chaos.
Ahh, Yes. Back when a President was Presidential.
By Jetackuu 2016-02-28 13:16:57
Why are you guys so against Trump and Cruz? Because we're not idiots?
Why do you ask stupid questions?
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By Jetackuu 2016-02-28 13:21:03
What are other countries doing better than us? Just about everything.
Granted there's countries that do things worse than us too, but holy crap how can somebody be this dense?
By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 13:26:01
Don't elaborate or anything.. /sigh 2 pages later we have gone full circle. Only personal insults are now Involved. Can't wait til page 1294!
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-28 13:41:23
Why are you guys so against Trump and Cruz? One is a fascist, the other is a fundamentalist.
Great products.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 13:44:36
Anyone else notice how she neglects to mention which is which? Not only are you wrong but the attempt to guide the debate away from its original path is really bad. At the very least elaborate on your wrongness.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-28 13:47:45
In the order they're listed o_ò
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 13:53:02
So my choices this election are socialist, fascist and fundamentalist..
Thanks for setting that straight.
In some ways being a businessman is a good inoculation against fascism. To businessmen compromising and deal making are ways of life, to fascists those ideas are anathema.
As for Cruz being a fundamentalist. Would you care to show a reason or do you just like using words that have little or no bearing on the people you label ?
If I was to put a ist or ism on either of these two it would be.
American nationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_nationalism
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2016-02-28 15:07:23
Actually I'd love to see America cut off aid to the rest of the world and watch it burn. I'd have to look up the specifics, but foreign aid isn't about the U.S. giving away money to help other countries' population. It's one method of exporting inflation and helps other countries to purchase weapons from the U.S. or other countries so that whatever country or countries they are fighting have to purchase even more weapons or purchase weapons from the U.S. Foreign aid helps 'stimulate' the global economy (military part) and exports USD inflation.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-02-28 15:09:01
Actually I'd love to see America cut off aid to the rest of the world and watch it burn. I'd have to look up the specifics, but foreign aid isn't about the U.S. giving away money to help other countries' population. It's one method of exporting inflation and helps other countries to purchase weapons from the U.S. or other countries so that whatever country or countries they are fighting have to purchase even more weapons or purchase weapons from the U.S. Foreign aid helps 'stimulate' the global economy (military part) and exports USD inflation. Still, burn this ***! Burn it all!!
By Artemicion 2016-02-28 15:13:23
What bothers me about Trump the most outside his flammatory and ludicrous plans in policy, is his heavy handed emphasis on nationalization in a world that is inevitably leaning to globalization. For better or worse, I feel it is the future of humanity, and to go against the grain and building an "us vs. them" mentality across your populace is ill advised IMO.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-28 16:12:31
What bothers me about Trump the most outside his flammatory and ludicrous plans in policy, is his heavy handed emphasis on nationalization in a world that is inevitably leaning to globalization. For better or worse, I feel it is the future of humanity, and to go against the grain and building an "us vs. them" mentality across your populace is ill advised IMO. Not a problem that US is facing alone atm. We had an entire thread dedicated to these idiots in EU where they are on the rise as well.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 16:37:45
Everyone needs to fix their own damn country before we can all get together as one big happy family and hug it out.
People cannot even agree what is best for their country and you want people to agree on whats best for the world..
By fonewear 2016-02-28 17:04:35
What bothers me about Trump the most outside his flammatory and ludicrous plans in policy, is his heavy handed emphasis on nationalization in a world that is inevitably leaning to globalization. For better or worse, I feel it is the future of humanity, and to go against the grain and building an "us vs. them" mentality across your populace is ill advised IMO.
It is us vs them. Equality is a myth !
The USA has survived civil wars great depressions etc. You really think one President is going to end it ?
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 17:06:17
No but a couple horrible ones in secession could do the trick.
By fonewear 2016-02-28 17:07:34
Politics is precisely us vs them though. If it wasn't we would all vote for the same person and it wouldn't be interesting.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 17:22:27
And we would be posting anime in RT..
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By fonewear 2016-02-28 17:31:10
What is shocking to me is that Hillary is the same as Obama... yet everyone thinks she is new and fresh...I assure you she is not fresh !
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By fonewear 2016-02-28 17:58:34
Speaking of racism the Oscars have a bunch of white people time to boycott the Oscars !
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By Asura.Carrotchan 2016-02-28 19:32:02
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-02-28 19:43:38
What bothers me about Trump the most outside his flammatory and ludicrous plans in policy, is his heavy handed emphasis on nationalization in a world that is inevitably leaning to globalization. For better or worse, I feel it is the future of humanity, and to go against the grain and building an "us vs. them" mentality across your populace is ill advised IMO.
The World is only leaning towards globalization because that means they all get money from America.
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