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Random Politics & Religion #00
Altimaomega said: » New term! Quote: Rutgers students are displaying clear-cut signs of the crybully phenomenon, whereby the regressive left feels victimized, traumatized and attacked even while they are viciously attacking others. https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/02/19/rutger-students-meltdown-after-listening-to-a-conservative-speaker-on-campus/
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Terraka said: » It's not even just the idea of tuition free. Universal healthcare would be amazing, have you ever seen someone struggle with hospital bills, after insurance, who just survived cancer? Those hospital bills are close to 6 digits. Why should people who didn't ask to get this illness, who have fought to survive this illness for years, be strapped with bills they never even wanted? In practice it works great on specific models. However, when you attempt to superimpose it on a model like the US which has a bigger population, larger number of infections/diseases, larger number of travelers, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. These models(countries) where his single-payer system works are smaller than California and have no where near as a complex health system as the state let alone the US. You're essentially trying to oversimply a very complex health system and hoping it works EXACTLY the same way. We have a major gap in wealth, those "models" have a more even distribution of wealth, that's what makes their benefits of free tuition and universal health care work. America is the greediest of all countries, many Americans can care less about the welfare of their neighbors, hell, sometimes even their family and friends. My parents get $50 each taken out of their checks each week for health insurance. $11.50 a week would leave a hell of a lot more extra money in their pocket under that tax proposal by Bernie. Shiva.Viciousss said: » Hopefully states can learn that caucuses are dumb. 80% reporting in Nevada and about 10,000 votes combined. It is such an ineffective way to measure opinions, and an even worse way to assign delegates. People had 8-11 hours to get to the polls and vote in NH/SC. I would have though the whole "super delegates" thing is a far worse facet of the whole public opinion thing, but thats just me... I mean nothing says feel the Bern like Hillary Clinton backroom dealing him out. Terraka said: » His plans are to take away tax breaks from those who make $150,000+ a year and increase their taxes substantially, while slightly increasing middle and lower class taxes (we're talking like 2.2% increase, $46 dollars a month, which breaks down to about $11.50 a week) The taxes of the ones making over $150,000 a year will increase the most. Increasing middle and lower class taxes by another 600 bucks a year.. Terraka said: » Let me ask you this. Public elementary, middle and high school are all free. Terraka said: » the ownership and control of the means of production, capitol, land, property, etc., by the community as a whole - combined with a democratic government. Terraka said: » What I really don't understand is the same people who complains about their tax dollars towards policies and ideas that could help make America better as a whole, don't complain about their tax money being used to help give shelter, food and medical care to murderers, rapests and robbers. Terraka said: » tuition free future. Terraka said: » Those hospital bills are close to 6 digits. Terraka said: » public libraries Terraka said: » public zoos Terraka said: » the police and fire departments Terraka said: » postal service Terraka said: » garbage collection, landfills Terraka said: » social security Terraka said: » VA Health Care ,Military. Socialism fails.. Always.. Hell, most people I know pay $50/week out of their check for health insurance. Under Bernie's plan, it would drop down to about $11.50/week and you wouldn't even have to work about paying for medicaid under his plan.
Terraka said: » We have a major gap in wealth, those "models" have a more even distribution of wealth, that's what makes their benefits of free tuition and universal health care work. America is the greediest of all countries, many Americans can care less about the welfare of their neighbors, hell, sometimes even their family and friends. My parents get $50 each taken out of their checks each week for health insurance. $11.50 a week would leave a hell of a lot more extra money in their pocket under that tax proposal by Bernie. You're assuming the percentages of current infection and rate of new infection is the same. More importantly your assuming pharmaceutical manufacturers wont drive up medication cost due to demand. Just lookup Sweden and compare the rate of new infections/disease and current infection/diseases of conditions like Hep C, HIV, diabetes, and cancer to the US. If I gave a small country the size of Sweden the rates of new infection of a country like the US its public health system would likely collapse. Also different countries have different prescription rights. Sweden gives their RNs more prescription power. It's cheaper to see an RN than a MD. So unless you plan on overhauling the prescription system of the US his plan wont work. Don't get me wrong I support expanding prescription rights to other medical practitioners, but it likely wont happen. Psychologists, pharmacists, RNs have been fighting for prescription authority for some time.
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Riiight, Socialism.... it's just like the good ol public library, but better!
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Riiight, Socialism.... it's just like the good ol public library, but better! "I'm sorry the newer med is too expensive so we're giving you older, cheaper meds with harsher side effects."
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Terraka said: » Hell, most people I know pay $50/week out of their check for health insurance. Under Bernie's plan, it would drop down to about $11.50/week and you wouldn't even have to work about paying for medicaid under his plan. I wish mine were even as cheap as $50 a paycheck. A certain set of legislation with the word "affordable" in it helped the price go through the roof, though.
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » what's the difference I know about politics but Im not exactly sure what differentiates a caucus from a primary? A primary is the same as the regular election, go to the polling station anytime between open and close (usually 8am-5pm or later) and cast your ballot, go home. It takes minutes. A caucus is a ridiculous fanfare that will happen at a set time, say 7pm at a local gym or church or something like that. You have to be there at 7 or you don't get to vote at all. Some speakers representing each candidate will get up there and make a final pitch and then everyone present will cast a vote. Sometimes its as simple as writing on a piece of paper, other times you have to stand in a certain part of the room that corresponds to your candidate. It always takes a long time, sometimes hours. Because of the restrictive time frame of a caucus, along with the hoopla, it will always have a way lower turnout than a primary. Bahamut.Ravael said: » Terraka said: » Hell, most people I know pay $50/week out of their check for health insurance. Under Bernie's plan, it would drop down to about $11.50/week and you wouldn't even have to work about paying for medicaid under his plan. I wish mine were even as cheap as $50 a paycheck. A certain set of legislation with the word "affordable" in it helped the price go through the roof, though.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Terraka said: » Hell, most people I know pay $50/week out of their check for health insurance. Under Bernie's plan, it would drop down to about $11.50/week and you wouldn't even have to work about paying for medicaid under his plan. I wish mine were even as cheap as $50 a paycheck. A certain set of legislation with the word "affordable" in it helped the price go through the roof, though. Don't worry! Bernie is going to make it even more Affordable!
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Shiva.Viciousss said: » Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » what's the difference I know about politics but Im not exactly sure what differentiates a caucus from a primary? A primary is the same as the regular election, go to the polling station anytime between open and close (usually 8am-5pm or later) and cast your ballot, go home. It takes minutes. A caucus is a ridiculous fanfare that will happen at a set time, say 7pm at a local gym or church or something like that. You have to be there at 7 or you don't get to vote at all. Some speakers representing each candidate will get up there and make a final pitch and then everyone present will cast a vote. Sometimes its as simple as writing on a piece of paper, other times you have to stand in a certain part of the room that corresponds to your candidate. It always takes a long time, sometimes hours. Because of the restrictive time frame of a caucus, along with the hoopla, it will always have a way lower turnout than a primary. I really hope the people that go by this set of election rules can run the country for another 8 years. They are obviously extremely smart people! Shiva.Viciousss said: » Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » what's the difference I know about politics but Im not exactly sure what differentiates a caucus from a primary? A primary is the same as the regular election, go to the polling station anytime between open and close (usually 8am-5pm or later) and cast your ballot, go home. It takes minutes. A caucus is a ridiculous fanfare that will happen at a set time, say 7pm at a local gym or church or something like that. You have to be there at 7 or you don't get to vote at all. Some speakers representing each candidate will get up there and make a final pitch and then everyone present will cast a vote. Sometimes its as simple as writing on a piece of paper, other times you have to stand in a certain part of the room that corresponds to your candidate. It always takes a long time, sometimes hours. Because of the restrictive time frame of a caucus, along with the hoopla, it will always have a way lower turnout than a primary.
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Democracy! Only if it's convenient!
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Um, ok. The rules exclude a lot of people. It's silly.
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Um, ok. The rules exclude a lot of people. It's silly. Lol you're trying too hard to make this into something.
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Lol you're trying too hard to make this into something. Good news, Bush is out, done, finished! So glad the chance of a Bush/Clinton election no matter how small it was is gone now.
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Altimaomega said: » Good news, Bush is out, done, finished! So glad the chance of a Bush/Clinton election no matter how small it was is gone now. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Altimaomega said: » Good news, Bush is out, done, finished! So glad the chance of a Bush/Clinton election no matter how small it was is gone now. Doesn't matter. Bernie and Clinton have no hope of winning this election. The massive swing right is being felt already. I'm interested to see who is next to drop out. Cruz or Rubio. Everyone that drops means more votes for them coming up, maybe the one left standing can take down Trump. Terraka said: » Hell, most people I know pay $50/week out of their check for health insurance. Under Bernie's plan, it would drop down to about $11.50/week and you wouldn't even have to work about paying for medicaid under his plan. So.. Bernie has a plan to give everyone health insurance or something like it for less than the cost of the Medicaid tax already coming out of everyone's check? And they don't have to pay the 50$ for health insurance!?! I think Bernie and his supporters are doing Meth.. not Math.. Altimaomega said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Lol you're trying too hard to make this into something. Like I said its not ideological, the GOP does the exact same thing next week. Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Terraka said: » It's not even just the idea of tuition free. Universal healthcare would be amazing, have you ever seen someone struggle with hospital bills, after insurance, who just survived cancer? Those hospital bills are close to 6 digits. Why should people who didn't ask to get this illness, who have fought to survive this illness for years, be strapped with bills they never even wanted? In practice it works great on specific models. However, when you attempt to superimpose it on a model like the US which has a bigger population, larger number of infections/diseases, larger number of travelers, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. These models(countries) where his single-payer system works are smaller than California and have no where near as a complex health system as the state let alone the US. You're essentially trying to oversimply a very complex health system and hoping it works EXACTLY the same way. I've heard this reasoning put forth without any justification or rationale repeatedly and it just keeps getting repeated ad nauseum. Since nobody else who's used it can articulate a single reason why population has any impact, maybe you can? Shiva.Viciousss said: » Altimaomega said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Lol you're trying too hard to make this into something. Like I said its not ideological, the GOP does the exact same thing next week. Ahh yes. And you're sticking by your word that they are going to have a comparable turnout to the democrats 11k right? Bahamut.Ravael said: » Terraka said: » Hell, most people I know pay $50/week out of their check for health insurance. Under Bernie's plan, it would drop down to about $11.50/week and you wouldn't even have to work about paying for medicaid under his plan. I wish mine were even as cheap as $50 a paycheck. A certain set of legislation with the word "affordable" in it helped the price go through the roof, though. What part of it? Jassik said: » Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Terraka said: » It's not even just the idea of tuition free. Universal healthcare would be amazing, have you ever seen someone struggle with hospital bills, after insurance, who just survived cancer? Those hospital bills are close to 6 digits. Why should people who didn't ask to get this illness, who have fought to survive this illness for years, be strapped with bills they never even wanted? In practice it works great on specific models. However, when you attempt to superimpose it on a model like the US which has a bigger population, larger number of infections/diseases, larger number of travelers, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. These models(countries) where his single-payer system works are smaller than California and have no where near as a complex health system as the state let alone the US. You're essentially trying to oversimply a very complex health system and hoping it works EXACTLY the same way. I've heard this reasoning put forth without any justification or rationale repeatedly and it just keeps getting repeated ad nauseum. Since nobody else who's used it can articulate a single reason why population has any impact, maybe you can? Less doctors taking government insurances, making longer lines and bad treatment. It is already happening thanks to the ACA. You now that thing that was suppose to make thing Affordable yet the price has only gone up higher and is costing tax payers more money than ever before.. Keep your head firmly implanted in the sand though. Seems to be working for you. Altimaomega said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Altimaomega said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Lol you're trying too hard to make this into something. Like I said its not ideological, the GOP does the exact same thing next week. Ahh yes. And you're sticking by your word that they are going to have a comparable turnout to the democrats 11k right? Yep, the numbers will be switched next week. Altimaomega said: » Jassik said: » Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Terraka said: » It's not even just the idea of tuition free. Universal healthcare would be amazing, have you ever seen someone struggle with hospital bills, after insurance, who just survived cancer? Those hospital bills are close to 6 digits. Why should people who didn't ask to get this illness, who have fought to survive this illness for years, be strapped with bills they never even wanted? In practice it works great on specific models. However, when you attempt to superimpose it on a model like the US which has a bigger population, larger number of infections/diseases, larger number of travelers, etc. the money has to come from somewhere. These models(countries) where his single-payer system works are smaller than California and have no where near as a complex health system as the state let alone the US. You're essentially trying to oversimply a very complex health system and hoping it works EXACTLY the same way. I've heard this reasoning put forth without any justification or rationale repeatedly and it just keeps getting repeated ad nauseum. Since nobody else who's used it can articulate a single reason why population has any impact, maybe you can? Less doctors taking government insurances, making longer lines and bad treatment. It is already happening thanks to the ACA. You now that thing that was suppose to make thing Affordable yet the price has only gone up higher and is costing tax payers more money than ever before.. Keep your head firmly implanted in the sand though. Seems to be working for you. |
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