Random Politics & Religion #00

Points have already been answered I'm not going over it again. Your more than capable to go back and read.

A neighbor of the couple wanted to say something to the authorities but feared the backlash of being labeled an "islamophobe".

Good job lefties! Keep stroking that PC ***, it's making a difference.

What I saw was that the "suspicious" behavior was based on 3 things. One, the guy was working in his garage. Two, he was receiving packages from FedEx. Three, he wasn't white. I guess any male homeowner who works in his garage and receives packages during the holiday season is a potential terrorist then.

... The Jews condemned Jesus for religious crimes, but they wouldn't be able to get the Romans to execute him for blasphemy because the Romans didn't give a crap. The Jews made it political by changing the accusation to treason, on the basis of Jesus being seen as the "King of the Jews" and therefore challenging the authorizty of the Romans.

Waitafrickingminute. The Romans ruled many states that had a king.

Also: THERE IS NO TRACE OF JESUS IN THE HISTORICAL RECORD.

Mind you as a Jew and someone educated in history I believe in Jesus as one of the greatest rabbis who ever lived. But the messiah and divine son of god bits? No fricking way.

A man stabbed three people at an east London tube station Saturday before police subdued him with a stun gun and made an arrest, London's Metropolitan Police said.

Police said they were treating the stabbing at Leytonstone station as a terrorist incident.

One man sustained serious but non-life-threatening injuries, police said. Two others suffered minor injuries.

This statement actually has Biblical basis. The Jews condemned Jesus for religious crimes, but they wouldn't be able to get the Romans to execute him for blasphemy because the Romans didn't give a crap. The Jews made it political by changing the accusation to treason, on the basis of Jesus being seen as the "King of the Jews" and therefore challenging the authority of the Romans.

Did you, like, completely miss the point of what I said?

Wait, there's no evidence outside the Christian story that the dude even existed and you're describing the intricacies of judicial tampering...

Waitafrickingminute. The Romans ruled many states that had a king.

Biblical basis. BIBLICAL. As in, I got this from the Bible. I know most people don't have a clue what's actually in there, but sheesh.

I assumed you were talking about my statement. Not really sure why it being in the bible matters, but at least that makes sense.

Ah, okay. For clarification, I was actually just backing you up here. Since your argument was mostly against Charlo, I figured that clarifying that the Bible agrees with you would pad your argument.

President Barack Obama will make a rare primetime address to the nation Sunday laying out how he will keep Americans safe and defeat the Islamic State group, days after 14 people were shot dead in California.

On Saturday, Obama declared that the United States "will not be terrorized," as the IS extremist group praised the couple behind Wednesday's mass shooting in San Bernardino as "soldiers" of its self-proclaimed caliphate.

"We are Americans. We will uphold our values -- a free and open society," Obama said in his weekly radio address.

On Sunday at 8:00 pm (0100 GMT Monday) from the Oval Office, he will again look to reassure the American people in the wake of the attack, which the FBI is investigating as a possible act of terrorism.

The massacre, if proven to be terror-related, would be the deadliest such assault on American soil since the September 11, 2001 attacks.

The last time Obama made an address to the nation from the Oval Office was in August 2010 to mark the end of US combat operations in Iraq.

Obama will give the latest in the investigation into the California shootings and "the president will also discuss the broader threat of terrorism, including the nature of the threat, how it has evolved, and how we will defeat it," a White House statement said.

"He will reiterate his firm conviction that ISIL (IS) will be destroyed and that the United States must draw upon our values -– our unwavering commitment to justice, equality and freedom -– to prevail over terrorist groups that use violence to advance a destructive ideology."

Obama declared that the United States "will not be terrorized,"

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Quote:
Sura 9:29-33 “Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled.”

And if they incline toward peace, then you [too] incline toward it, and put your trust in Allah. Indeed He is the All-hearing, the All-knowing.

Allah does not forbid you in regard to those who did not make war against you on account of religion and did not expel you from your homes, that you deal with them with kindness and justice. Indeed Allah loves the just.

Allah forbids you only in regard to those who made war against you on account of religion and expelled you from your homes and supported [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them —it is they who are the wrongdoers.

To abrogate means to abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.

This is a key term in studying the Quran. There are some peaceful, tolerant verses in the Quran. But the violent, intolerant ones have abrogated them. The Quran itself explains what to do with conflicting verses. If two passages conflict, it says, the one written later is better than the one written earlier. The earlier passage has been abrogated by the later one.

The bad news for non-Muslims is that almost all the peaceful passages were written earlier, and the intolerant, hateful, and violent ones were written later (read more about this).

The two key abrogation passages in the Quran are these:

2:106 "Whatever of Our revelations We repeal or cause to be forgotten, We will replace them with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides Him you have no protector or helper? Would you question your messenger as Moses was questioned in his time? Those who exchange their faith for disbelief have gone astray from the right path."

16:101 "When We exchange one verse for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say, 'You are making this up.' Most of them do not understand."

Bill Warner writes, "There are as many as 225 verses of the Koran that are altered by later verses. This is called abrogation."

Is prescribed upon you [the] fighting while it (is) hateful to you. But perhaps [that] you dislike a thing and it (is) good for you; and perhaps [that] you love a thing and it (is) bad for you. And Allah knows while you (do) not know.

Wait, there's no evidence outside the Christian story that the dude even existed and you're describing the intricacies of judicial tampering...

Mark 12:13-17New English Translation (NET Bible)

Paying Taxes to Caesar
13 Then they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to trap him with his own words. 14 When they came they said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are truthful and do not court anyone’s favor, because you show no partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay or shouldn’t we?” 15 But he saw through their hypocrisy and said to them, “Why are you testing me? Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 So they brought one, and he said to them, “Whose image is this, and whose inscription?” They replied, “Caesar’s.” 17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were utterly amazed at him.

Romans 13:1-7New English Translation (NET Bible)

Submission to Civil Government
13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 2 So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment 3 (for rulers cause no fear for good conduct but for bad). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation, 4 for it is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be in fear, for it does not bear the sword in vain. It is God’s servant to administer retribution on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath of the authorities but also because of your conscience. 6 For this reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants devoted to governing. 7 Pay everyone what is owed: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

Rare Sunday address.

Obama to make primetime address after California attack

I think the point is getting lost in this diatribe about J.

Islam is not political in itself, the division between sects is. Just like they were the divisions within the catholic church.
Unfortunately religion always had a strong grip on power and has been historically used as a mean for control of nations. And while christianity's political power has been fading these last years, islam still has a very strong hold on the middle-east, and that is why it is a political problem too.

Some said they were sympathetic to suicide bombings targeting civilian centers.


Weren't you ok with bombing schools a few pages back in certain circumstances?

A few pages ago I mentioned that Islam hasn't yet gone through the reformation that Christianity did, specifically the Roman Catholic Church. It took an opportunistic English king, backed by an angry resentful population to finally break the back of the catholic church, and it was still a very long time until their power was completely broken. The same thing needs to happen in Islam, it will come and when it does it's going to be extremely bloody.

The majority of Muslims are Sunni, being over 75–90% of all Muslims.

Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (Arabic: صحيح البخاري‎), is one of the Kutub al-Sittah (six major hadith collections) of Sunni Islam. These prophetic traditions, or hadith, were collected by the Persian Muslim scholar Muhammad al-Bukhari, after being transmitted orally for generations. Sunni Muslims view this as one of the three most trusted collections of hadith along with Sahih Muslim and Muwatta Imam Malik.[1] It is also used as an authentic hadith collection by Zaidi Shia Muslims.[2] In some circles, it is considered the most authentic book after the Quran.

Word is Obamas going to kick of the gun control party tonight with some executive orders.

Time and time again Islam has sharia law, how is that not political

Tomorrow, december 6, is the parlamentary elections in Venezuela.
The second battle against the latin america phony democracy or dictatorship crossdressed as populism. The first battle was against Kirchner, and the good won. Lets see what latin america decides for them: the misery of Maduro or to get back to the world track.

I can see a faint light in the end of the bolivarianist road.