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By Jassik 2015-10-29 14:23:29
What Trump does and what those moderators did are not the same thing... usually. He has definitely crossed that line at times, but those generally aren't the moments that people love him for.
You must have missed the crowds screaming with delight when he gave out Graham's personal cell phone number at a campaign rally.
Hence the "generally".
Generally or not, Trump's whole appeal is to the crowd of people who cheer those moments when he's been WAY over the line.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-10-29 14:25:23
>>Touts economic mastery.
>>Suggests plans that would either result in the country going bankrupt or massive deficits for years.
"Fiscal conservatives."
BUT ITS SO EASY. THIS THREE STEP, 999 SIM CITY TAX PLAN, AND ITS FLAT. LIKE I WISH MY CHEST WAS.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-10-29 14:26:37
I'll vote for Deez Nuts if you guys vote yes on Ohio prop 3!
yeson3ohio.
we need to keep dangerous drug dealers off the streets and put them into run down strip malls where it's warm and dry...
a warm and cozy drug dealer makes for a happier ohio...
/makes the heart symbol with his hands
or whatever... ok look. I'll level with you. Making weed legal is idiotic as hell. as clearly demonstrated by voting up the recent casino law.
not one job will be created, no drug dealers will leave the streets, and nobody will ever see any benefits whatsoever... a couple of jackoffs will get filthy rich and never pay a dime in taxes
it will start bad, get worse and probably end up somewhere in the neighborhood of Armageddon and/or Detroit....
but I'll be allowed to smoke weed without going all the way to colorado!
yes on 3! make it easier for nik to get high!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-29 14:28:03
What Trump does and what those moderators did are not the same thing... usually. He has definitely crossed that line at times, but those generally aren't the moments that people love him for.
You must have missed the crowds screaming with delight when he gave out Graham's personal cell phone number at a campaign rally.
Hence the "generally".
Generally or not, Trump's whole appeal is to the crowd of people who cheer those moments when he's been WAY over the line.
Whole appeal? No. I'm not going to deny that there are probably too many people who vote based on who gives the best show rather than anything substantial, though.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-10-29 14:29:39
Please do a full copypasta of stuff from sites with paywalls.
Was it? Sorry about that.
Quote: Not Enough Women in China? Let Men Share a Wife, an Economist Suggests
One wife, many husbands.
That’s the solution to China’s huge surplus of single men, says Xie Zuoshi, an economics professor at the Zhejiang University of Finance and Economics, whose recent proposal to allow polyandry has gone viral.
Legalizing marriage between two men would also be a good idea, Mr. Xie wrote in a post that has since been removed from his blogs. (He has at least three blogs, and his Sina blog alone has more than 2.6 million followers.)
By 2020, China will have an estimated 30 million bachelors — called guanggun, or “bare branches.” Birth control policies that since 1979 have limited many families to one child, a cultural preference for boys and the widespread, if illegal, practice of sex-selective abortion have contributed to a gender imbalance that hovers around 117 boys born for every 100 girls.
Though some could perhaps detect a touch of Jonathan Swift in the proposal, Mr. Xie wrote that he was approaching the problem from a purely economic point of view.
Many men, especially poor ones, he noted, are unable to find a wife and have children, and are condemned to living and dying without offspring to support them in old age, as children are required to do by law in China. But he believes there is a solution.
A shortage raises the price of goods — in this case, women, he explained. Rich men can afford them, but poor men are priced out. This can be solved by having two men share the same woman.
“With so many guanggun, women are in short supply and their value increases,” he wrote. “But that doesn’t mean the market can’t be adjusted. The guanggun problem is actually a problem of income. High-income men can find a woman because they can pay a higher price. What about low-income men? One solution is to have several take a wife together.”
He added: “That’s not just my weird idea. In some remote, poor places, brothers already marry the same woman, and they have a full and happy life.”
Polyandry has been practiced before in China, particularly in impoverished areas, as a way to pool resources and avoid the breakup of property.
Yet much of the online response to Mr. Xie’s proposal has been outrage.
“Is this a human being speaking?” a user with the handle dihuihui wrote on Weibo.
“Trash-talking professor, many single guys want to ask, ‘Where’s your wife?’ ” a user who identified as Shanyu jinxiang1887003537 wrote.
Attempts to contact Mr. Xie on Monday were unsuccessful.
On Sunday, he published an indignant rebuttal on one of his blogs, accusing his critics of being driven by empty notions of traditional morality that are impractical and selfish — even hypocritical.
“Because I promoted the idea that we should allow poor men to marry the same woman to solve the problem of 30 million guanggun, I’ve been endlessly abused,” he wrote. “People have even telephoned my university to harass me. These people have groundlessly accused me of promoting immoral and unethical ideas.
“If you can’t find a solution that doesn’t violate traditional morality,” he continued, “then why do you criticize me for violating traditional morality? You are in favor of a couple made up of one man, one woman. But your morality will lead to 30 million guanggun with no hope of finding a wife. Is that your so-called morality?”
In addition to provoking guardians of traditional morality, the proposal has been pilloried by feminists and gay rights advocates.
“Men are publicly debating how to allocate women, as though women were commodities like houses or cars, in order to realize some grand political ideal originating from either the patriarchal left or the patriarchal right,” Zheng Churan, one of five women’s rights activists detained in March, wrote in an essay for a WeChat group called Groundbreaking.
“Behind the imbalanced sex ratio of 30 million bachelors lie 30 million baby girls who died due to sex discrimination. But somehow everyone’s still crying that some men can’t find wives.”
Mr. Xie also has supporters. On his Sina blog, he posted a comment from a student at Nanchang Hangkong University. “You are standing alongside the poorest working-class people,” the student wrote. “When there’s no better way, why don’t we get rid of so-called morality and solve society’s problems?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-10-29 14:34:30
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-10-29 14:34:41
Please do a full copypasta of stuff from sites with paywalls.
Was it? Sorry about that.
Quote: Not Enough Women in China? Let Men Share a Wife, an Economist Suggests
One wife, many husbands.
That’s the solution to China’s huge surplus of single men, says Xie Zuoshi, an economics professor at the Zhejiang University of Finance and Economics, whose recent proposal to allow polyandry has gone viral.
Legalizing marriage between two men would also be a good idea, Mr. Xie wrote in a post that has since been removed from his blogs. (He has at least three blogs, and his Sina blog alone has more than 2.6 million followers.)
By 2020, China will have an estimated 30 million bachelors — called guanggun, or “bare branches.” Birth control policies that since 1979 have limited many families to one child, a cultural preference for boys and the widespread, if illegal, practice of sex-selective abortion have contributed to a gender imbalance that hovers around 117 boys born for every 100 girls.
Though some could perhaps detect a touch of Jonathan Swift in the proposal, Mr. Xie wrote that he was approaching the problem from a purely economic point of view.
Many men, especially poor ones, he noted, are unable to find a wife and have children, and are condemned to living and dying without offspring to support them in old age, as children are required to do by law in China. But he believes there is a solution.
A shortage raises the price of goods — in this case, women, he explained. Rich men can afford them, but poor men are priced out. This can be solved by having two men share the same woman.
“With so many guanggun, women are in short supply and their value increases,” he wrote. “But that doesn’t mean the market can’t be adjusted. The guanggun problem is actually a problem of income. High-income men can find a woman because they can pay a higher price. What about low-income men? One solution is to have several take a wife together.”
He added: “That’s not just my weird idea. In some remote, poor places, brothers already marry the same woman, and they have a full and happy life.”
Polyandry has been practiced before in China, particularly in impoverished areas, as a way to pool resources and avoid the breakup of property.
Yet much of the online response to Mr. Xie’s proposal has been outrage.
“Is this a human being speaking?” a user with the handle dihuihui wrote on Weibo.
“Trash-talking professor, many single guys want to ask, ‘Where’s your wife?’ ” a user who identified as Shanyu jinxiang1887003537 wrote.
Attempts to contact Mr. Xie on Monday were unsuccessful.
On Sunday, he published an indignant rebuttal on one of his blogs, accusing his critics of being driven by empty notions of traditional morality that are impractical and selfish — even hypocritical.
“Because I promoted the idea that we should allow poor men to marry the same woman to solve the problem of 30 million guanggun, I’ve been endlessly abused,” he wrote. “People have even telephoned my university to harass me. These people have groundlessly accused me of promoting immoral and unethical ideas.
“If you can’t find a solution that doesn’t violate traditional morality,” he continued, “then why do you criticize me for violating traditional morality? You are in favor of a couple made up of one man, one woman. But your morality will lead to 30 million guanggun with no hope of finding a wife. Is that your so-called morality?”
In addition to provoking guardians of traditional morality, the proposal has been pilloried by feminists and gay rights advocates.
“Men are publicly debating how to allocate women, as though women were commodities like houses or cars, in order to realize some grand political ideal originating from either the patriarchal left or the patriarchal right,” Zheng Churan, one of five women’s rights activists detained in March, wrote in an essay for a WeChat group called Groundbreaking.
“Behind the imbalanced sex ratio of 30 million bachelors lie 30 million baby girls who died due to sex discrimination. But somehow everyone’s still crying that some men can’t find wives.”
Mr. Xie also has supporters. On his Sina blog, he posted a comment from a student at Nanchang Hangkong University. “You are standing alongside the poorest working-class people,” the student wrote. “When there’s no better way, why don’t we get rid of so-called morality and solve society’s problems?
Time to outsource the need for women to China!
Oh...oh dear.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-10-29 14:52:22
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Please do a full copypasta of stuff from sites with paywalls.
Was it? Sorry about that.
Quote: Not Enough Women in China? Let Men Share a Wife, an Economist Suggests
One wife, many husbands.
That’s the solution to China’s huge surplus of single men, says Xie Zuoshi, an economics professor at the Zhejiang University of Finance and Economics, whose recent proposal to allow polyandry has gone viral.
Legalizing marriage between two men would also be a good idea, Mr. Xie wrote in a post that has since been removed from his blogs. (He has at least three blogs, and his Sina blog alone has more than 2.6 million followers.)
By 2020, China will have an estimated 30 million bachelors — called guanggun, or “bare branches.” Birth control policies that since 1979 have limited many families to one child, a cultural preference for boys and the widespread, if illegal, practice of sex-selective abortion have contributed to a gender imbalance that hovers around 117 boys born for every 100 girls.
Though some could perhaps detect a touch of Jonathan Swift in the proposal, Mr. Xie wrote that he was approaching the problem from a purely economic point of view.
Many men, especially poor ones, he noted, are unable to find a wife and have children, and are condemned to living and dying without offspring to support them in old age, as children are required to do by law in China. But he believes there is a solution.
A shortage raises the price of goods — in this case, women, he explained. Rich men can afford them, but poor men are priced out. This can be solved by having two men share the same woman.
“With so many guanggun, women are in short supply and their value increases,” he wrote. “But that doesn’t mean the market can’t be adjusted. The guanggun problem is actually a problem of income. High-income men can find a woman because they can pay a higher price. What about low-income men? One solution is to have several take a wife together.”
He added: “That’s not just my weird idea. In some remote, poor places, brothers already marry the same woman, and they have a full and happy life.”
Polyandry has been practiced before in China, particularly in impoverished areas, as a way to pool resources and avoid the breakup of property.
Yet much of the online response to Mr. Xie’s proposal has been outrage.
“Is this a human being speaking?” a user with the handle dihuihui wrote on Weibo.
“Trash-talking professor, many single guys want to ask, ‘Where’s your wife?’ ” a user who identified as Shanyu jinxiang1887003537 wrote.
Attempts to contact Mr. Xie on Monday were unsuccessful.
On Sunday, he published an indignant rebuttal on one of his blogs, accusing his critics of being driven by empty notions of traditional morality that are impractical and selfish — even hypocritical.
“Because I promoted the idea that we should allow poor men to marry the same woman to solve the problem of 30 million guanggun, I’ve been endlessly abused,” he wrote. “People have even telephoned my university to harass me. These people have groundlessly accused me of promoting immoral and unethical ideas.
“If you can’t find a solution that doesn’t violate traditional morality,” he continued, “then why do you criticize me for violating traditional morality? You are in favor of a couple made up of one man, one woman. But your morality will lead to 30 million guanggun with no hope of finding a wife. Is that your so-called morality?”
In addition to provoking guardians of traditional morality, the proposal has been pilloried by feminists and gay rights advocates.
“Men are publicly debating how to allocate women, as though women were commodities like houses or cars, in order to realize some grand political ideal originating from either the patriarchal left or the patriarchal right,” Zheng Churan, one of five women’s rights activists detained in March, wrote in an essay for a WeChat group called Groundbreaking.
“Behind the imbalanced sex ratio of 30 million bachelors lie 30 million baby girls who died due to sex discrimination. But somehow everyone’s still crying that some men can’t find wives.”
Mr. Xie also has supporters. On his Sina blog, he posted a comment from a student at Nanchang Hangkong University. “You are standing alongside the poorest working-class people,” the student wrote. “When there’s no better way, why don’t we get rid of so-called morality and solve society’s problems?
Time to outsource the need for women to China!
Oh...oh dearmy. Fixed that for you.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-29 14:58:32
What Trump does and what those moderators did are not the same thing... usually. He has definitely crossed that line at times, but those generally aren't the moments that people love him for.
You must have missed the crowds screaming with delight when he gave out Graham's personal cell phone number at a campaign rally.
Hence the "generally".
Generally or not, Trump's whole appeal is to the crowd of people who cheer those moments when he's been WAY over the line.
Whole appeal? No. I'm not going to deny that there are probably too many people who vote based on who gives the best show rather than anything substantial, though.
Trump's appeal is often ascribed as "he tells it like it is" but his immigration platform is also paramount. If the country doesn't drastically reform who we let into this country, we're done. You cannot have a country without a border and you cannot have a sustainable (massive) welfare state if anyone can get here and jump on board. The progressives in Washington have absolutely shat on this society over the past 7 years, and it's gotten so bad that they know the only way they can stay in power is to import a permanent underclass who think being ***on is an improvement and will continue to vote for them.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-10-29 15:15:40
What Trump does and what those moderators did are not the same thing... usually. He has definitely crossed that line at times, but those generally aren't the moments that people love him for.
You must have missed the crowds screaming with delight when he gave out Graham's personal cell phone number at a campaign rally.
Hence the "generally".
Generally or not, Trump's whole appeal is to the crowd of people who cheer those moments when he's been WAY over the line.
Whole appeal? No. I'm not going to deny that there are probably too many people who vote based on who gives the best show rather than anything substantial, though.
Trump's appeal is often ascribed as "he tells it like it is" but his immigration platform is also paramount. If the country doesn't drastically reform who we let into this country, we're done. You cannot have a country without a borderEr, the history of the US would indicate otherwise? Let alone the rather permeable borders for most countries throughout most recorded history?
and you cannot have a sustainable (massive) welfare state if anyone can get here and jump on board. The US isn't anywhere even approaching a welfare state.
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By Jassik 2015-10-29 15:17:18
Don't bother, it's a fruitless labor.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-29 15:23:16
That's it. It's the end of the world. Goodbye America, it's been a pleasure.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-29 15:26:35
Don't bother, it's a fruitless labor.
You're a towel!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-29 15:29:16
Building a wall around America won't help.
Neither does putting a fence around the White House. amirite?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-29 15:34:19
When did mexicans become so tall?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-29 15:34:34
Exactly, it doesn't stop people from trespassing somehow.
So you'd have no problem jumping it and walking strait into the white house?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-29 15:34:43
Phew, I'm glad to know that we can take down those prison fences. What an eyesore.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-10-29 15:39:06
Exactly, it doesn't stop people from trespassing somehow.
So you'd have no problem jumping it and walking strait into the white house? There's a strait at the White House?
Don't mind me, I'm on pain medication right now. Squirrel!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-29 15:39:21
On another note, I do often wonder what the illegal immigration discussion would be like if the illegals tended to vote Republican instead of Democrat. Would liberal compassion be set aside for the "greater good"? Would conservative disdain turn into open arms?
By Jassik 2015-10-29 15:40:01
Phew, I'm glad to know that we can take down those prison fences. What an eyesore.
You bring up an interesting topic. The vast majority of incarcerated Americans are non-violent offenders who pose near zero risk of escape. In reality, we could tear down quite a few prison fences. Even more than that, we could save a lot of money changing those facilities into vocational and rehabilitation facilities and start pushing away from the zero tolerance policies that are counter-productive.
We have more prisoners than Asians in America...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-29 15:40:33
There's a strait at the White House?
I wouldn't mind the White House being relocated to the middle of one.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-29 15:43:35
Phew, I'm glad to know that we can take down those prison fences. What an eyesore.
You bring up an interesting topic. The vast majority of incarcerated Americans are non-violent offenders who pose near zero risk of escape. In reality, we could tear down quite a few prison fences. Even more than that, we could save a lot of money changing those facilities into vocational and rehabilitation facilities and start pushing away from the zero tolerance policies that are counter-productive.
We have more prisoners than Asians in America...
I'm sure if we took down the fences all the inmates would stay inside the walls and not leave. Just like good ol Brookes from "The Shawshank Redemption".
Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? Why do you think there are bars on the cells?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-29 15:44:52
How much do you think it would cost to apply the White House defence to the whole American border?
Probably at least 50% less than the total amount of welfare we spend on all the people who sneak across the border.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2015-10-29 15:46:54
You cannot have a country
Two of the moderators from last night's debate ran than numbers and they told trump with regards to is Great Wall of America
Quote: Youre more likely to flap your arms and fly of stage
How he plans to get the Mexican government to pay for it is beyond me.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-29 15:47:01
I'm going back and forth on Jassik's comment, actually. I don't think it would be quite as effective as he says, but there are some serious problems with the system as it stands. I'd say some new methods are worth testing on small scales.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-10-29 15:48:20
WE build walls?
They dig tunnels.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-29 15:49:51
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »You cannot have a country
Two of the moderators from last night's debate ran than numbers and they told trump with regards to is Great Wall of America
Were these the same ones who likened him to a super villian?
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