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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-27 03:34:08
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In Italy it's actually being discussed a law to create the car homicide. If you run someone over with your car you get charged for murder, which is not the case now. This cause there are so many stupid accidents due to imbeciles driving while drunk or on drugs that cause a lot of deaths.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-10-27 09:16:46
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 11:03:07
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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I guess deaths only matter when you they can be used as a political wedge.

Liberal compassion is only for those who can be exploited.
I never said or even implied they didn't matter. Conflating a rare, isolated incident with a practically monthly, cyclical one is plain dumb and an obvious detraction.

Why does it only trigger outrage for you when there is a mass shooting prompted by a "gun free zone" I mean way more people are murdered than those only involved in mass shootings. Car fatalities are quite comparable in terms of total numbers, and those aren't even recognized as an inalienable right. Why is it that you only pipe up against guns?
 
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-10-27 12:33:11
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you anti-gun people will never win. guns always beat no guns in a fight.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-10-27 12:34:17
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
I'm all for more severe laws and sentences

You would!... stoopid canajian....

you sir, can go straight to hell....

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By Siren.Mosin 2015-10-27 12:39:16
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Try that against a Jedi!

I blame the blaster manufacturers for their wild inaccuracy.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-27 12:41:25
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Something tells me that a fully automatic gun would be able to hit a Jedi far easier than a blaster would.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 12:43:35
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Why does it only trigger outrage for you when there is a mass shooting prompted by a "gun free zone" I mean way more people are murdered than those only involved in mass shootings. Car fatalities are quite comparable in terms of total numbers, and those aren't even recognized as an inalienable right. Why is it that you only pipe up against guns?

Guns are meant to kill, while cars are meant for transport. There's quite a huge difference between the two. I'm all for more severe laws and sentences about cars, like drunk driving .... you should go straight to jail and lose your licence for a long time on the first offense.

A gun's purpose is more often realized without it ever killing anything than it is after shots are fired.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-10-27 12:50:56
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
A gun's purpose is more often realized without it ever killing anything than it is after shots are fired.

I just lost 10,000 brain cells trying to decipher that enigma.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 13:00:24
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Siren.Mosin said: »
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A gun's purpose is more often realized without it ever killing anything than it is after shots are fired.

I just lost 10,000 brain cells trying to decipher that enigma.

I wrote Bilbo Baggins' speech for his eleventyith birthday.
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By Jassik 2015-10-27 13:11:53
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Why does it only trigger outrage for you when there is a mass shooting prompted by a "gun free zone" I mean way more people are murdered than those only involved in mass shootings. Car fatalities are quite comparable in terms of total numbers, and those aren't even recognized as an inalienable right. Why is it that you only pipe up against guns?

Guns are meant to kill, while cars are meant for transport. There's quite a huge difference between the two. I'm all for more severe laws and sentences about cars, like drunk driving .... you should go straight to jail and lose your licence for a long time on the first offense.

A gun's purpose is more often realized without it ever killing anything than it is after shots are fired.

Trying to use the nuclear armament argument for small arms is like comparing running errands to supplying the international space station. Small arms are not a deterrent when they're used constantly and for exactly their intended purpose.
 
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 13:25:17
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WHO says Meat will give you cancer.

Meat industry responds "no it won't."

Does anyone here really believe eating bacon is going to give them cancer?

Does anyone here think there is a political benefit to shitting over the meat industry?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-27 13:26:08
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Build all the weapons you want, I got the power of the crystals, and summons!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 13:27:04
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Jassik said: »
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Why does it only trigger outrage for you when there is a mass shooting prompted by a "gun free zone" I mean way more people are murdered than those only involved in mass shootings. Car fatalities are quite comparable in terms of total numbers, and those aren't even recognized as an inalienable right. Why is it that you only pipe up against guns?

Guns are meant to kill, while cars are meant for transport. There's quite a huge difference between the two. I'm all for more severe laws and sentences about cars, like drunk driving .... you should go straight to jail and lose your licence for a long time on the first offense.

A gun's purpose is more often realized without it ever killing anything than it is after shots are fired.

Trying to use the nuclear armament argument for small arms is like comparing running errands to supplying the international space station. Small arms are not a deterrent when they're used constantly and for exactly their intended purpose.

How many crimes are thwarted without ever pulling the trigger? I'm not really sure why you simply refuse to even acknowledge this point?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-27 13:29:17
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
WHO says Meat will give you cancer.

Meat industry responds "no it won't."

Does anyone here really believe eating bacon is going to give them cancer?

Does anyone here think there is a political benefit to shitting over the meat industry?
Of course meat industry says no, duh.

The danger is specifically directed anyway at mainly things worked in a certain way like hotdogs. Normal meat, so to speak, is only dangerous if eaten in too high quantities. I can see this being particularly problematic for the typical american diet, but it's been known since forever that a high meat diet considerably lowers the lifespan. You need a varied diet, with a lot of (seasonal)veggies and fruit, legumes and eat in small quantities but many times a day. If you don't you'll die sooner.

edit: oh and ofc "junk food" is a no no
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By Jassik 2015-10-27 13:31:40
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Why does it only trigger outrage for you when there is a mass shooting prompted by a "gun free zone" I mean way more people are murdered than those only involved in mass shootings. Car fatalities are quite comparable in terms of total numbers, and those aren't even recognized as an inalienable right. Why is it that you only pipe up against guns?

Guns are meant to kill, while cars are meant for transport. There's quite a huge difference between the two. I'm all for more severe laws and sentences about cars, like drunk driving .... you should go straight to jail and lose your licence for a long time on the first offense.

A gun's purpose is more often realized without it ever killing anything than it is after shots are fired.

Trying to use the nuclear armament argument for small arms is like comparing running errands to supplying the international space station. Small arms are not a deterrent when they're used constantly and for exactly their intended purpose.

How many crimes are thwarted without ever pulling the trigger? I'm not really sure why you simply refuse to even acknowledge this point?

And how many crimes are the result of the escalation inherent to being armed? How many crimes are exactly the result of pulling the trigger?

Sorry, but if texting and driving prevented half a dozen accidents, it will never outweigh the number it causes.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-10-27 13:38:58
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Does anyone here really believe eating bacon is going to give them cancer?

the real question is, does anyone care that bacon will give you cancer?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 13:42:01
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Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Why does it only trigger outrage for you when there is a mass shooting prompted by a "gun free zone" I mean way more people are murdered than those only involved in mass shootings. Car fatalities are quite comparable in terms of total numbers, and those aren't even recognized as an inalienable right. Why is it that you only pipe up against guns?

Guns are meant to kill, while cars are meant for transport. There's quite a huge difference between the two. I'm all for more severe laws and sentences about cars, like drunk driving .... you should go straight to jail and lose your licence for a long time on the first offense.

A gun's purpose is more often realized without it ever killing anything than it is after shots are fired.

Trying to use the nuclear armament argument for small arms is like comparing running errands to supplying the international space station. Small arms are not a deterrent when they're used constantly and for exactly their intended purpose.

How many crimes are thwarted without ever pulling the trigger? I'm not really sure why you simply refuse to even acknowledge this point?

And how many crimes are the result of the escalation inherent to being armed? How many crimes are exactly the result of pulling the trigger?

Sorry, but if texting and driving prevented half a dozen accidents, it will never outweigh the number it causes.

Lmao, you're really reaching on that one Jassik.

The proper comparison is:

Because some people do bad things with X (cell phones), such as Y (texting while driving) we should ban all cell phones.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-27 13:43:35
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Because some people do bad things with X (cell phones), such as Y (texting while driving) we should ban all cell phones.
But it's not the same. Cause phones are needed to, well phone, and text, and record and browse internet and getting spied on by governments. Guns don't have any additional purpose unless you're a hunter(and as a hunter the purpose is still going to be killing).
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 13:44:42
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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WHO says Meat will give you cancer.

Meat industry responds "no it won't."

Does anyone here really believe eating bacon is going to give them cancer?

Does anyone here think there is a political benefit to shitting over the meat industry?
Of course meat industry says no, duh.

The danger is specifically directed anyway at mainly things worked in a certain way like hotdogs. Normal meat, so to speak, is only dangerous if eaten in too high quantities. I can see this being particularly problematic for the typical american diet, but it's been known since forever that a high meat diet considerably lowers the lifespan. You need a varied diet, with a lot of (seasonal)veggies and fruit, legumes and eat in small quantities but many times a day. If you don't you'll die sooner.

edit: oh and ofc "junk food" is a no no

There it is, outright credit to the governing authority, and full suspicion of the element of capitalism. What has the meat industry ever done to deserve that from you?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-27 13:45:43
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Uh what? Government actually has a very strong interest in diffusing the alarmism since they make money off meat. That's actually, you know, research.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 13:45:46
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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Because some people do bad things with X (cell phones), such as Y (texting while driving) we should ban all cell phones.
But it's not the same. Cause phones are needed to, well phone, and text, and record and browse internet and getting spied on by governments. Guns don't have any additional purpose unless you're a hunter(and as a hunter the purpose is still going to be killing).

You're just refusing to acknowledge that a gun doesn't have to kill anyone to still serve a purpose.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-27 13:46:50
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You're just refusing to acknowledge that a gun doesn't have to kill anyone to still serve a purpose.
Its only purpose is to impair, maim or kill. What other use have you found? Posturing?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-10-27 13:47:47
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like the sign on the statue of liberty says

give us your tired, your poor, your unwashed dregs of humanity, your criminals, rapists, murderers, thieves, religious nutjobs etc.

everyone that stayed in europe are a bunch of pansies without the energy to even argue much less fight....

look at those woosies in france...they barely have the will to complain
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-27 13:48:42
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Uh what? Government actually has a very strong interest in diffusing the alarmism since they make money off meat. That's actually, you know, research.

Do you not recognize any political benefit to smearing the meat industry?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-27 13:49:56
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Uh what? Government actually has a very strong interest in diffusing the alarmism since they make money off meat. That's actually, you know, research.

Do you not recognize any political benefit to smearing the meat industry?
Until a synthetic meat is invented, I already stated that in what you quoted.
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