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By fonewear 2014-06-04 16:27:38
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If you sell drugs you will make more than min. wage. Go ahead do it I dare ya.

It isn't your fault people are drug addicts right. You are just providing a service.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-04 16:33:12
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If those are anything like the supermarket self-checkout machines, they won't be replacing pe

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She's one of a cadre of Bank of America employees in Florida and Delaware call centers, where they remotely control ATMs across the country. I ask for $26.

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By fonewear 2014-06-04 16:43:26
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Wal Mart is already getting rid of most cashiers. It will no longer be a job in the near future.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-04 16:45:49
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I always use self checkout whenever I go to Walmart. The cashier lines are far too long and the people working them... yeah.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-04 16:53:58
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I always use self checkout whenever I go to Walmart. The cashier lines are far too long and the people working them... yeah.

Oh I snapped at the CVS cashier once for taking her sweet *** time.

"This is horrible customer service. Why is this taking so long? I can't believe you guys haven't placed self-checkouts in your stores. Where is your manager?!"
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-06-04 17:05:18
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The theory is that paying them more will make them good employees.

Yeah, I lol'ed too.
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By fonewear 2014-06-04 17:06:44
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Wal Mart the only place on Earth where the world could literally be coming to an end. And you would still be waiting in line at the check out.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-04 17:08:22
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
The theory is that paying them more will make them good employees.

Yeah, I lol'ed too.
That's a real good theory.


Who came up with it?
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-04 17:10:21
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
The theory is that paying them more will make them good employees.

Yeah, I lol'ed too.

I have a better idea RATHER than paying unskilled labor more, how about we pay our fresh-out-of-college youth MORE.

Nausi pointed this out earlier, but the gap between minimum wage and entry-level college graduate wage is getting very thin. It puts unnecessary strain in the workplace, because employers have to layoff people and designate additional duties to their employees.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-04 17:17:05
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
The theory is that paying them more will make them good employees.

Yeah, I lol'ed too.

I have a better idea RATHER than paying unskilled labor more, how about we pay our fresh-out-of-college youth MORE.

Nausi pointed this out earlier, but the gap between minimum wage and entry-level college graduate wage is getting very thin. It puts unnecessary strain in the workplace, because employers have to layoff people and designate additional duties to their employees.
That's the dream.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-06-04 17:17:59
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I hate people, so I avoid going anywhere near a cashier if there's any conceivable way I can. I bought some pajama pants on clearance from Target last year that have a very Hot Topic-y pattern of skulls on them and the cashier felt it necessary to comment. I was compelled to point out that I didn't give a car since I just needed comfortable pants to wear when being naked is socially or fiscally (in terms of my heating bill) unfeasible.

That said, even though people are still completely perplexed by self-checkout at my local Kroger (why? we've had self-checkout for more than 5 years, you dolts), the line to check out still moves faster than enduring a live cashier. Somehow. The only real criticisms I can offer are that when I actually do need someone (to scan coupons or because the system has screwed up once again), it's a nuisance to flag the brainless idiot down who is supposed to be manning them. And there's not enough room for bags if you've filled a full cart (and you can't take bags off because it throws the scale off).

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For example, I could easily hire a student to do some light office work for me, could spend probably 45 minutes out of every hour reading or studying, and the value to me would be about $5/hr.
First off, what you said is not making sense. Secondly, why the hell would you hire someone to work for 8 hours if you're only going to give them enough work to fill 2 hours? The problem is that you're a *** moron in this instance, not that the work is too low-skill to be worth paying a virtually non-existent amount of money (after 8 hours, a minimum wage earner is lucky to have just under $50).

Indeed, that seems to be a theme: under-utilizing people. Unless someone is genuinely handicapped and incapable of doing much more than push a mop or pick out the picture of a hamburger on the screen, you're wasting your money and their time. Why do you think teenagers *** around at ***jobs so much? They're completely disengaged unless it's the dinner rush or something.

On the subject of office work, though, that was my first job as a barely-16-year-old. I was building employer databases and handling a variety of other tasks. It simultaneously boggles my mind that employers demand a degree or years of experience for jobs of this variety (especially when the requirements are something like 25 WPM -- I'm pretty sure I can type faster than that with my ***) AND that they still have trouble finding someone able to do the job. I will never fathom how someone can have zero work ethic, but I'm lower-middle class and therefore cursed with pride and dignity and self-respect.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-06-04 17:18:56
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It depends on the value of the new grad to the marketplace, tbh.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-04 17:22:02
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
It depends on the value of the new grad to the marketplace, tbh.

Ok lets take science majors for one, specifically non-medical. They are heavily under paid.

I'm sorry but the guy who got his B.S. in Biochemistry working at a pharmaceutical company is contributing a lot more than the guy flipping burgers.

The girl who has a B.S. in Public Health working at Planned Parenthood is contributing more than the sales associate at Abercrombie.

The guy who has his B.S. in Psychology counseling high-school teens is contributing more than the cashier at Wal-mart.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-06-04 17:22:38
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Incidentally, you guys know that Wal-Mart will gleefully hire temporary per-diem labor at a cost of $16+ per hour (not that the labor is getting that -- they typical take home minimum wage or maybe as much as a dollar more) instead of hiring real people. So, first off, the drooling mongoloid *** up your glorious Wal-Mart experience may be either an illegal immigrant or not an actual employee of Wal-Mart AND it still apparently costs them less to have a completely untrained jackass show up for more than double the cost of minimum wage than to employ someone AT minimum wage and know that they know how to do the work to standards.

On a related note, I go to Wal-Mart under extreme protest and do everything in my power to avoid letting so much as a single cent of my money wind up in their hands. Unlike most people, I actually do protest economically, even if it costs me a little more to go to literally any other place.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-06-04 17:23:12
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
For example, I could easily hire a student to do some light office work for me, could spend probably 45 minutes out of every hour reading or studying, and the value to me would be about $5/hr.
First off, what you said is not making sense. Secondly, why the hell would you hire someone to work for 8 hours if you're only going to give them enough work to fill 2 hours? The problem is that you're a *** moron in this instance, not that the work is too low-skill to be worth paying a virtually non-existent amount of money (after 8 hours, a minimum wage earner is lucky to have just under $50).

Indeed, that seems to be a theme: under-utilizing people. Unless someone is genuinely handicapped and incapable of doing much more than push a mop or pick out the picture of a hamburger on the screen, you're wasting your money and their time. Why do you think teenagers *** around at ***jobs so much? They're completely disengaged unless it's the dinner rush or something.

It makes perfect sense. What part is throwing you off? I don't have 2 hours' worth of work, I have 8 hours' worth. 8 hours of minding the phone and handling small tasks that may present themselves cannot be condensed into 2 hours.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-06-04 17:32:49
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
It makes perfect sense. What part is throwing you off? I don't have 2 hours' worth of work, I have 8 hours' worth. 8 hours of minding the phone and handling small tasks that may present themselves cannot be condensed into 2 hours.
You're still the problem, then. Find them more work or do it yourself.

I'd quit that job before the third day. I can't sit around twiddling my thumbs -- I'm not a third-generation union member.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-06-04 17:48:16
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fonewear said: »
Wal Mart the only place on Earth where the world could literally be coming to an end. And you would still be waiting in line at the check out.
I thought WalMart was the end of the world.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2014-06-04 17:56:30
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I always use self checkout whenever I go to Walmart. The cashier lines are far too long and the people working them... yeah.

Oh I snapped at the CVS cashier once for taking her sweet *** time.

"This is horrible customer service. Why is this taking so long? I can't believe you guys haven't placed self-checkouts in your stores. Where is your manager?!"

Seriously? You act like its that person fault lol.... You think a regular cashier can magically force people to show up who called out or work a schedule so they have more help? That is managements job, not a cashier. Cmon man, can't always blame the cashier. Never understand why some people come into stores thinking the cashier is some idiot who can't get a better job.

Pretty sad to see some people in this thread think of the min. wage workers as beneath them. These are people trying to work their way up too, they can't all be six figure armchair executives like all of you.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-06-04 18:01:43
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fonewear said: »
Wal Mart the only place on Earth where the world could literally be coming to an end. And you would still be waiting in line at the check out.
I thought WalMart was the end of the world.
Nah, the End of the World is where a Starbucks is built across the street from a Starbucks. It's like a turd looking in the mirror at itself, but infinitely stupider and more mind-boggling.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-06-04 18:07:19
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
It makes perfect sense. What part is throwing you off? I don't have 2 hours' worth of work, I have 8 hours' worth. 8 hours of minding the phone and handling small tasks that may present themselves cannot be condensed into 2 hours.
You're still the problem, then. Find them more work or do it yourself.
Which is exactly why I don't hire anyone for this position. Maybe you should focus less on getting in some criticism and more on grasping the point?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-06-04 18:13:20
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
fonewear said: »
Wal Mart the only place on Earth where the world could literally be coming to an end. And you would still be waiting in line at the check out.
I thought WalMart was the end of the world.
Nah, the End of the World is where a Starbucks is built across the street from a Starbucks. It's like a turd looking in the mirror at itself, but infinitely stupider and more mind-boggling.
Lewis Black did this bit. Was damn hilarious.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-06-04 18:15:37
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lewis Black did this bit.
My favorite comedian... of course I'm going to crib from his playbook.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-06-04 18:17:25
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lewis Black did this bit.
My favorite comedian... of course I'm going to crib from his playbook.
Greg Geraldo, Lewis Black, George Carlin, top favorite comedians.

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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-06-04 18:18:00
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
It makes perfect sense. What part is throwing you off? I don't have 2 hours' worth of work, I have 8 hours' worth. 8 hours of minding the phone and handling small tasks that may present themselves cannot be condensed into 2 hours.
You're still the problem, then. Find them more work or do it yourself.
Which is exactly why I don't hire anyone for this position. Maybe you should focus less on getting in some criticism and more on grasping the point?
Your point evaporates, then. You said "There are jobs that I don't want to pay someone minimum wage for" and then proceeded to describe a job that isn't worth employing someone for. That's a self-defeating point.

I followed you quite clearly. You just don't appear to know what you were arguing.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-04 19:27:29
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lewis Black did this bit.
My favorite comedian... of course I'm going to crib from his playbook.
You should know where I got the 'Are the girl scouts a radical organization' story from then, lol.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-06-04 19:28:48
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
I was already all too familiar with the "Do 15 minutes of work, jack off for 7 hours, get 8 hours' worth of pay" routine.
That's my main problem I have with people in unions that I've met.

It's all they *** brag about.
That's odd.

My union friends are longshoremen ILWU, seamen SUP, marine engineers MEBA, and stagehands ITASE. They all work, or worked, for a living, not loaf.

P. S. I STILL haven't seen the Seattle minimum wage ordnance posted anywhere.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-04 19:32:26
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
I was already all too familiar with the "Do 15 minutes of work, jack off for 7 hours, get 8 hours' worth of pay" routine.
That's my main problem I have with people in unions that I've met.

It's all they *** brag about.
That's odd.

My union friends are longshoremen ILWU, seamen SUP, marine engineers MEBA, and stagehands ITASE. They all work, or worked, for a living, not loaf.

P. S. I STILL haven't seen the Seattle minimum wage ordnance posted anywhere.
It's a different conversation when it's just the guys.

Also these are all union people from NY (upstate) and NJ (the woods) who work doing carpentry, electricians, and stage hands.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-04 19:33:01
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
they can't all be six figure armchair executives like all of you.
I lol'd.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-06-04 19:33:56
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
The theory is that paying them more will make them good employees.

Yeah, I lol'ed too.
That's a real good theory.


Who came up with it?
It works for CEOs, amIright?

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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lewis Black did this bit.
My favorite comedian... of course I'm going to crib from his playbook.
Lewis Black said:
The Democrats are dumb and the Republicans are stupid. The difference between dumb and stupid is dumb isn't funny, stupid is seriously funny.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-04 19:35:21
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"Yeah all I had to do was go into the city this morning a run a cable. Took me 1 hour, got paid for 8 hours plus those 8 hours put me in over time for tomorrow. All I gotta do is run some CAT 5's and I'm done for the day with overtime pay."
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