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 Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-27 13:08:51
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ladies, do the world a favor and take that loner at the bar back home with you.

Nausi, maybe you should offer up your services. If we don't hear from you within the week, we'll be sure to contact local police and have them search dumpsters and creeks.
I think we'd have to dress him up in drag first.
That's assuming he doesn't do that himself already...

Oh the old days of high school Rocky Horror shows....
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By Lye 2014-05-27 13:29:07
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »

Not only did he never ask, but he was quick to reject any attempt to help him when it was offered, (with the exception of the first social counselor). You're talking about asking for help in general though for anything? He "ran away" a lot. I don't know if that was a learned behavior or not.

Are you talking about the one he played WoW with most consistently?

Yeah. The one he calls his best friend for the first half of his life.

I agree. No one seemed to teach or show him what "hard work" was.
He'll, he doesn't even talk about his parents working hard. He makes mention of his father always being gone for work but never even broaches the topic of anything but his success.

Ultimately, I found it repulsive that he would whine to his mother for new stuff but laments her moving into a lower income area because of what his friends will think.....
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-05-27 13:46:22
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
If you're that interested, at the very least, read his epilogue. Seven pages won't kill you.


I started from the first page and I ended up to skip pages after page 3 or something. By the time I made it to Epilogue I skipped majority of them, I did finished Epilogue at least. Basically it's full of "I failed, but it's not my fault that I failed, this world sucked".

I see some ppl made analyze about female/woman/relationship, IMO this is missing the point. He wanted something, he had a goal, in fact he had tons of goals in his life. But he can't accomplish his goal, so he blamed everyone else for failing to accomplish the goal. Even if he can get a gf, he probably gonna have same thought after he graduate/start a job again. Because he had zero positive thought after he failed at something so he must blame someone else for failing. Getting a gf is just one goal he had and continued to fail.

One example is, when he failed at doing skateboarding, he gave up quickly without trying to learn why other kids do skateboard better than him. Maybe other kids just worked harder on practicing. Then when he see other male gets gf, he instantly blamed the female for not giving him a chance, without trying to learn why other ppl can get gf....again, maybe they worked harder on getting a gf but Elliot Rodger can't see that. Getting a relationship working properly requires effort anyways.

I think everyone more or less failed at something in their life before. But some ppl can get through it by having positive attitude.
I used to be the same, if I failed at something I'd be occupied by negative attitude, but I was lucky enough to meet ppl with positive attitude and I learned from them. Now if I fail at something, instead of trying to find excuses I just tell myself "I'm gonna try again, I'm gonna do better next time". Such thought usually ended up keeping me busy, and I no longer have time to think about anything negative.
Most of the time, I still fail anyways, but that's life. And once I spend more time trying to get closer to my goal, I noticed I got more respect than I used to be, even if I'm not successful. Ppl tend to respect passionate, hard working individual even if they're not THAT successful.

If Elliot Rodger can continue to love the girls around him, one day he WILL get someone to love him, but I guess he is unlucky that no one tell him that.

Shiva.Onorgul said: »

He was clearly a narcissist, though. That's a word I am cautious about throwing around, but I can't imagine a more textbook example of the disorder. Unlike a more balanced person, he seems to have only wanted the 10s to talk to him and, let's be honest, even other 10s have difficulty pulling those people. And he'd have found a way to complain even if an exceptional woman was interested in him. He should've committed suicide, but the world is never so lucky.

I wouldn't call him a real narcissist, he acted like a narcissist because he needed an excuse to blame others for failing.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-27 13:52:34
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Every time I get closer to what feminism is they change the definition !

What if the shooter in CA was a woman and did the rampage because men wouldn't date her ?

A lot of feminist don't have a sense of humor though...which is sad.

This popped up on my FB feed today. Oddly I felt inclined to share.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2014-05-27 14:08:32
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
If Elliot Rodger can continue to love the girls around him, one day he WILL get someone to love him, but I guess he is unlucky that no one tell him that.

Thankfully people will no longer have to
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2014-05-27 14:15:00
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
fonewear said: »
Every time I get closer to what feminism is they change the definition !

What if the shooter in CA was a woman and did the rampage because men wouldn't date her ?

A lot of feminist don't have a sense of humor though...which is sad.

This popped up on my FB feed today. Oddly I felt inclined to share.

That's very interesting to see the stark contrast on public reactions to both scenarios.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-27 14:17:27
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Epilogue reads like the delusional fantasy I expected. Oh divine ruler how I wished you'd have finished yourself off in the bathroom sink.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-27 14:19:38
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What level was his paladin is the real question?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-27 14:28:20
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You can learn so much about a person from the job they roll in an MMO.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-05-27 14:29:41
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
You can learn so much about a person from the job they roll in an MMO.


Let me guess, DPS players seek attention and healers are nice and lovely.....amirite? :D
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-27 14:36:43
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I was gonna say tanks attract gloryhounds but stereotyping is frowned upon!
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-05-27 14:41:11
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
I was gonna say tanks attract gloryhounds but stereotyping is frowned upon!


Really? I'm an attention ***, but I'm never into any tanking classes in MMO. It's DPS or bust for me.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-27 14:52:34
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DPS is all faux glory with none of the responsibility. Tanks are almost always seen as 'leaders' in an MMO as the success/failure often falls upon your tanks and their trusted advisors, the healers. Generally, if you want to be a leader (or at least fake one), roll out a tank class.

Healers are often relegated to people who enjoy the support aspect or stray away from the flashy theatrics of tank/DPS because as far as traditional male gender roles are concerned healing is for the women.

It's why the job is almost always understaffed and frowned upon when compared to the ideal leading man of a tank.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-27 14:56:16
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
I see some ppl made analyze about female/woman/relationship, IMO this is missing the point.

I think everyone gets the point. Most of us are sharing tid-bits that we found interesting, since I'm willing to bet, most of us are unqualified to give an effective psychological analysis.

Lye said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »

Not only did he never ask, but he was quick to reject any attempt to help him when it was offered, (with the exception of the first social counselor). You're talking about asking for help in general though for anything? He "ran away" a lot. I don't know if that was a learned behavior or not.

Are you talking about the one he played WoW with most consistently?

Yeah. The one he calls his best friend for the first half of his life.

I agree. No one seemed to teach or show him what "hard work" was.
He'll, he doesn't even talk about his parents working hard. He makes mention of his father always being gone for work but never even broaches the topic of anything but his success.

Ultimately, I found it repulsive that he would whine to his mother for new stuff but laments her moving into a lower income area because of what his friends will think.....

Now that you mention it, it would make sense. He seemed comfortable.

If I remember correctly, there was a blurb about a job that his father's buddy extended to him. I have to agree with you in that there was a definite aversion to work. (Dropping class after class.)

That incident got to me too. As if his father could have known that he would have a rough go in some of his investments in film. As if his mother could have anticipated that child-support would be cut off. Wasn't he sixteen or seventeen? How can you not comprehend the ripple effect of familial financial loss at that age?

His placing more value on the material over people, and his inability to understand that others wouldn't value his material worth and/or items, was a grating read.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-27 15:13:19
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
You can learn so much about a person from the job they roll in an MMO.
I was concerned more the with gear he had, what kind it was, and how he obtained it kind of thing.

Did he at least put some work into getting his gear?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-27 15:16:19
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
I think everyone gets the point. Most of us are sharing tid-bits that we found interesting, since I'm willing to bet, most of us are unqualified to give an effective psychological analysis.
I have a minor in Psychology if that helps.

B.S. Computer Science, minor Psychology.
B.A. Mathematics, minor Philosophy
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-05-27 15:18:26
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DPS is all faux glory with none of the responsibility. Tanks are almost always seen as 'leaders' in an MMO as the success/failure often falls upon your tanks and their trusted advisors, the healers. Generally, if you want to be a leader (or at least fake one), roll out a tank class.

Healers are often relegated to people who enjoy the support aspect or stray away from the flashy theatrics of tank/DPS because as far as traditional male gender roles are concerned healing is for the women.

It's why the job is almost always understaffed and frowned upon when compared to the ideal leading man of a tank.


When I did endgame with my FC in FFXIV the leader was a SCH! :D

Also, according to my experience, playing support classes gives more clear POV to the entire battlefield, but I may be biased because every game is different and I haven't done enough endgame in most MMO.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-27 15:27:05
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I think the healer is often more tending to leadership. The tank has backup, people can takeover or fix his mistakes, but the responsibility of the healer of a group usually has no replacements or room for error.
Generalization anyway, obviously depends on the person.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-05-27 15:36:08
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I think the healer is often more tending to leadership. The tank has backup, people can takeover or fix his mistakes, but the responsibility of the healer of a group usually has no replacements or room for error.
Generalization anyway, obviously depends on the person.


Usually DPS is still No.1 class of choice to epeen or show off though. I've noticed in games with PVP, DPS classes capable of dealing the highest dmg gets MVP vote more often. People tend to look at measurable number/score before anything else.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-27 15:45:20
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I used to love going whm for end game stuff. Although pld was my main job for a long time, but in dynamis I ended up having to do /assist.

I always thought whm was a ton easier than tanking or even war (only had 3 jobs) for endgame. I could sit there and chill and not worry about stuff too much. Never liked DD too much. Probably why I went with thf this go around. NPCs ended up having all the other jobs covered so far, lol.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2014-05-27 15:47:02
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I think the healer is often more tending to leadership. The tank has backup, people can takeover or fix his mistakes, but the responsibility of the healer of a group usually has no replacements or room for error.
Generalization anyway, obviously depends on the person.


Usually DPS is still No.1 class of choice to epeen or show off though. I've noticed in games with PVP, DPS classes capable of dealing the highest dmg gets MVP vote more often. People tend to look at measurable number/score before anything else.

In 14 you only get that if you're a tank or healer, DDs never get commendations lol
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-27 16:40:07
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I think the healer is often more tending to leadership. The tank has backup, people can takeover or fix his mistakes, but the responsibility of the healer of a group usually has no replacements or room for error.
Generalization anyway, obviously depends on the person.


Usually DPS is still No.1 class of choice to epeen or show off though. I've noticed in games with PVP, DPS classes capable of dealing the highest dmg gets MVP vote more often. People tend to look at measurable number/score before anything else.
I was talking about tendencies to take control of situations though. Damage dealers are usually preoccupied only with their own performance.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-27 16:46:21
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I think the healer is often more tending to leadership. The tank has backup, people can takeover or fix his mistakes, but the responsibility of the healer of a group usually has no replacements or room for error.
Generalization anyway, obviously depends on the person.

Healers are not immediately what young men think of as leadership figures, its those pesky knights on horseback with the overly large weapons (compensating much?) and holy magic charging off into battle.

No one cares about the frilly mage with the cure spells and support tactics unless your name is Gandalf and even Gandalf had some wicked DPS and a sword. The only time people notice the mage is when they can't tunnelvision into DPS or wipe repeatedly. Thankless position all around.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-27 16:48:56
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Concept wise maybe, but in practice..
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-27 16:49:42
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Personally, I think Damage Dealers are the best "Leader" role, since their tasks often leave the most mental bandwidth for orchestrating the rest of the encounter or group.

It's more about personality than anything else I suppose, then again I was probably one of the only Dark Knights in FFXI who considered stunning more important than Guillotine. (inb4 newage Resolution DRKS)
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-05-27 16:51:50
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I found my leadership before I found my class. It seems that off-tank, bruiser, or tanky-DPS is my general class that I lean toward. I feel like tanks, in general, have more control over a fight, and get to see most offensive attacks first-hand, allowing for nuanced knowledge. That's not why I play tank, but in my MMO experience, that's the conclusion I've come to.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-05-27 16:59:54
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I'm Tikal's healer. Does that make me the waifu?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-05-27 17:00:42
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Hah!
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-27 17:03:07
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We have the very example of human history right here: men evolved using power to take control, women learned to control things from the backlines instead.

Support role girl represent! /
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-05-27 17:06:53
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fonewear said: »
Notice how no one knows anything about the victims thanks CNN.

(other than they were college students)
There are many who would prefer that their children and family members not be memoralized by being in any way connected with a vicious murderer. It's not out of contempt that we ignore the victims; it's a matter of compassion.

A co-worker once complained that he likes true crime shows (First 48, for instance) but hates that they never show the crime. I pointed out that he wouldn't want to see his daughter's brutal murder re-enacted. Same principle.
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