Guns, Girls, And WoW

I read most of his manifesto and here I see a topic on it (title wasn't clear to me until after I finished reading). This young man was failed by his family, friends, and his psychiatrist. That doesn't mean that he is not responsible for his ultimate choices, but it still should be mentioned.

Adolescence, going through puberty, becoming an adult, dealing with the opposite sex, these are not easy things. Teenagers suck, they torment and bully weaker classmates, they are extraordinarily superficial, and they make each other miserable. It's tough when you're in that period to understand that it's only temporary, and you still have most of your life to look forward to. Cases like this one, or Sandy Hook, or even ones where someone commits suicide over bullying make me so sad. It's a great waste.

There are some true realizations in his words. When women are young they often choose partners poorly (so do men but that's not really relevant here). Still, there is someone for everyone out there. This guy had unrealistic standards and a warped sense of entitlement. You're short, half Asian, and not particularly attractive, yet you think you should have a tall, gorgeous California blonde? That's a recipe for disaster. My freshman roommate was kind of like this. He wasn't handsome, was socially-awkward, and always crushed on these perfect-10 girls. After the inevitable rejection, he would become very depressed. Meanwhile I was having a blast and he just didn't understand how, he'd get jealous and once when he walked in on me with a girl in the act, almost violent. This Elliot Rodger dude was like that in the extreme. This is where a good father would have hit him with some truth about women and about life, but his father was distracted and not very close with him. Here is a case where a child was given material comfort, too much, in fact, never forced to be accountable, but was denied (or couldn't feel) love and family bonds that might have sustained him.

Sorry for rambling a little. This manifesto was delusional, self-absorbed and selfish, but still, pretty compelling reading. It's always interesting to me, the minds of people who commit terrible acts, and the justifications they set up for themselves.

Think I'm going to create an e-harmony account with his pics see what happens.

Do it. For the greatest justice of all is that which brings humor into the horror.


Ample profile quotes form manifesto mandatory.

Should I wear my 300 sunglasses or leave them in the car ?

On the basis that 100% of adults have managed it, I'm going to have to disagree with this assessment.

That awkward feeling that everyone that goes through high school feels. But manages not to kill anyone...

I was going to do that but it has more questions than the SAT just to sign up...

That's a pretty shotty basis.

Should have put this pic in this thread instead.

Yeah... I have to disagree with you too. Those few years where literally everything about your world view changes, if you have this happen to you at any time after adolescence they call it a "Mid Life Crisis", does that sound easy?

Hey girls don't like me because I sit in my BMW at the beach and stare at them...hmm I'm starting to see a trend.

The secret to getting girls is:

I was going to say 300 dollar Armani sunglasses but apparently those aren't in style.

Technically nothing is really ever in style unless you are the trend setter.

That is true.

Really? Because adolescence is when the human body goes through the most changes. Both boys and girls get saturated with hormones, you grow rapidly, take on adult characteristics, etc. I remember that being a pretty damn hard time for me personally. I can't imagine how difficult that would be as a male who is smaller and weaker than average, with a mental illness that causes one to struggle socially.

I'm pretty sure that nearly all small, weakass males who went through puberty and didn't kill themselves also didn't kill everyone around them either.

Life happens, but if you are going to cry about it, you will never grow up.

This might be the single most dumbest thing I've seen come from you.

Since there is no statistic to prove your point. Although, it's assumed that only about 50-60% of people manage to get past traumatizing experiences from their high school careers. Even though I personally believe that number is closer to 70-80%.

They go through the motions quite well, because anything other than that is considered weak and pathetic, regardless of how well you manage the problems, or end up in a spiraling out of control hell. Which happens more than people care to talk about, and ends up as a huge part of mental illnesses such as severe exposure to depression that doesn't get treated.

I think you missed my point. My point is not that Rodgers bears no responsibility for his choices. Despite whatever disadvantages he had, whatever bullying he was victimized by, when he chose to take guns and knives and kill other people, that was wrong. What I'm saying is akin to that awesome LGBT campaign, "It gets better." That's applicable not just to LGBT teens but to many or most teens, IMO. A lot of teens don't fit in perfectly, and some of them go on to harm themselves or others, not truly understanding that eventually your hormones subsidize, your peers mature, and most people aren't out to make your life miserable on a personal level.

I didn't go through the kind of bullying that this killer did. In fact, I was involved in bullying more than being bullied, which I regret as an adult. But I still sympathize with him a bit, even though he was a weak and warped person. His parents, his peers, and his mental health professionals failed him.

Anyone remember that thread where we were celebrating that kid that knifed his bullies to death?

a.) I share the same neurotype. I don't share the same lousy upbringing and rampant materialism.

b.) You missed the point entirely: being a teenager sucks for everyone and well over 99% of teenagers make it to adulthood. That means it must be fairly easy because if it was remotely difficult to reach adulthood, we'd have at least a 50% suicide rate by the second semester of 7th grade.

Did you notice a roaring, whooshing noise while reading what I wrote?

I do the guy was in the hospital for like two or three weeks.

Almost had his spine severed... pretty terrible injury.

It's nice to know when you have no argument, the only thing you can do is insult others. It really was the single dumbest *** thing I've read, since it's not always easy, but your assertion that 100% of those who survived it, somehow makes it easy.

I'm one of the ones who never did get past that. And I'm 70 now.

Didn't kill anyone but I still have fantasies.

In other words, you didn't read what was written.

I use language in a very precise manner. The statement was that making it to adulthood is not an easy thing. I rebutted that every adult thus far has managed it. A 100% success rate means that it can't logically be assessed as "difficult." A driver's test isn't difficult and that has well below a 100% success rate among those who do pass it.

Don't read the words you want to read and then accuse me of something that is untrue. That's the definition of a straw man argument.

Precise language does not mean easily understood language. Your language in this context is ambiguous to great effect. One could say you precisely chose your words with the purpose of being ambiguous. Starting from the quote below:


There is a semantic dissagreement dealing with the term "becoming and adult" is where the problem starts.

"becoming an adult" as Safiyyah meant it: Becoming an emotionally stable, productive, socially capable member of society who can interact with others.

"becoming an adult" as Onorgul meant it: Physically surviving 18 years or more without dying.

You guys aren't even talking about the same thing. I can only see 3 possibilities.

1) Orongul specifically toyed with the semantics to create a defensible position that can't be argued against (and is therefore pointless. All people over 18 are over 18. k.)
2) Orongul whooshed the focus of the conversation and actually thought everyone was talking about survival rate.
3) Orongul really thinks everyone over 18 eventually has an easy time dealing with the opposite sex, participating in society, dealing with their emotions, treating their kids well and every other aspect of being an adult in a modern 1st world society. If this is what you originally meant, the figure of 99~100% rate of success are vastly inflated and we might need some links to your data.

Even if they mean the same thing, the "success rate" of becoming an adult isn't even 100% lol. Saying "On the basis that 100% of adults have managed it" is like saying "the driver's license test must be easy, because 100% of the licence owners have managed it"


But teenager do kill themselves, you know. If someone suicide before 18 he/she will never become an adult. You can't claim something's success rate is 100% if you only count the successful individual.

Classic "Begging the Question" Fallacy. The condition is self-proving. (100% of women have XX Chromosomes)

Onorgul just likes to snap at people, swear, and call them names because in his mind that's what being an adult is. Nothing new here.