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Should There be a Library Named After Obama?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-28 16:28:11
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Why is Andrew Jackson still on the 20. Guy was an *** and should be replaced alongside Ben Franklin. Dude wasn't even a president. They did it to Jackson to mock him. Franklin, because...
I vaguely remember that but it still makes no sense for a monster like Andrew Jackson to be on arguably the most popularly used currency in the country for the sake of a running joke. Thomas Jefferson being on the defunct 2 dollar bill is more entertaining than that.
Jackson doesn't deserve the honor. It's like JFK being on the half-dollar but who actually uses half dollars. Most people in power do things just for the lulz.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-04-28 16:28:15
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »"Doctor, he's losing blood fast."
"Get him to the Barack Obama Medical Pavilion stat!"
"ughhhhh...the Obama....ahhh....pavilion?"
"Yes, you'll be fine soon. We just need to transfer you there immediately. Everything will be OK."
"..noooo....not the Obama pavilion....I'm a card carrying....birth certificate....terrible pres....."
"Dammit nurse, why isn't sedated yet!?"
"He's trying to tell me something! We won't provide him medical service due to Obamacare"
FTFY a bit
Minus emergency rooms, many medical centers and clinics turn patients away without health insurance now. From a public health standpoint it's incredibly stupid. Yay for Obamacare!
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2014-04-28 16:32:02
Most people in power do things just for the lulz. When I come to power, I am renaming things! And updating the written English language!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-28 16:36:40
Rename all the things to the same name!
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-28 16:40:42
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Minus emergency rooms, many medical centers and clinics turn patients away without health insurance now.
Do you have a ballpark for that figure?
10s? 100s? 1000s? 10,000s? More?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-04-28 16:41:35
We're talking made-up numbers here so you're gonna have to go higher. At least a bajillion.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-28 16:41:46
The real question is, would an Obama medical center accept Obamacare after he's done with the White House?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-04-28 16:45:02
I hope there's an exhibit dedicated to his birth certificates.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2014-04-28 16:47:21
LMAO Pleebs, Ima save that XD
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-04-28 16:48:00
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Minus emergency rooms, many medical centers and clinics turn patients away without health insurance now.
Do you have a ballpark for that figure?
10s? 100s? 1000s? 10,000s? More?
They just won't provide you service.
Ok so right now Los Angeles county is experiencing a meningitis outbreak. Before Obamacare the vaccines would have been free for the general public at all clinics, including those not directly operated by county.
Since Obamacare went into full effect only county clinics are giving the vaccine away free. All other clinics now require some type of insurance or they turn you away.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-28 16:55:43
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »They just won't provide you service.
Ok so right now Los Angeles county is experiencing a meningitis outbreak. Before Obamacare the vaccines would have been free for the general public at all clinics, including those not directly operated by county.
Since Obamacare went into full effect only county clinics are giving the vaccine away free. All other clinics now require some type of insurance or they turn you away.
So in other words: no.
The issue I have with your post is your use of the word 'many'. In these types of discussions, the word is inherently deceptive. Anyone with any particular view can go out, find 4-5 examples of something that proves their point and report back claiming they've found 'many' occurrences, and that can be misinterpreted as meaning much more than just a few.
That's why I asked you if you had a better approximation than just saying 'many'. You named one.
Good job.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-04-28 17:02:51
Here's to put the issue into perspective. The blue dots represent county operated clinics providing the vaccine for free. The red dots represent county facilities that are offering it, but charging.
The green dots represent all non-county operated clinics, which are charging. The green and red dots would have previously offered the vaccine for free prior to Obamacare. Changes in state funding due to Obamacare have changed how health services work in the county.
The fact that the infection spread more than 30 miles across the county could probably have been prevented had more clinics been offering the vaccine this year like in previous years.
Simply look at meningitis cases last year to this year. Last year was a total of 8 cases. This year have been 9 cases in 4 months.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-04-28 17:12:28
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »"Doctor, he's losing blood fast."
"Get him to the Barack Obama Medical Pavilion stat!"
"ughhhhh...the Obama....ahhh....pavilion?"
"Yes, you'll be fine soon. We just need to transfer you there immediately. Everything will be OK."
"..noooo....not the Obama pavilion....I'm a card carrying....birth certificate....terrible pres....."
"Dammit nurse, why isn't sedated yet!?"
"He's trying to tell me something! We won't provide him medical service due to Obamacare"
FTFY a bit
Minus emergency rooms, many medical centers and clinics turn patients away without health insurance now. From a public health standpoint it's incredibly stupid. Yay for Obamacare!
That was always the case. I've been turned away a few times from different clinics well before Obama left Al Qaeda to ruin America from the inside.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-04-28 17:16:50
The real question is, would an Obama medical center accept Obamacare after he's done with the White House?
No, because there is no such thing as singular health care plan called Obamacare.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-04-28 17:20:28
As far as I understand it, the blanket term "Obamacare" is really just a subsidized mandate to help insure those who can't afford $280/mo. Which isn't even that much a change when you consider all insurance is a subsidy program.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-28 17:20:33
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Simply look at meningitis cases last year to this year. Last year was a total of 8 cases. This year have been 9 cases in 4 months.
Scary
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-04-28 17:25:35
As far as I understand it, the blanket term "Obamacare" is really just a subsidized mandate to help insure those who can't afford $280/mo. Which isn't even that much a change when you consider all insurance is a subsidy program.
It's not that either. It's literally thousands of health care plans, from multiple private providers streamlined and tailored to the needs of individuals, families and companies in specific counties and states. What you're thinking of is known as Medicare and COBRA.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-04-28 17:31:25
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »"Doctor, he's losing blood fast."
"Get him to the Barack Obama Medical Pavilion stat!"
"ughhhhh...the Obama....ahhh....pavilion?"
"Yes, you'll be fine soon. We just need to transfer you there immediately. Everything will be OK."
"..noooo....not the Obama pavilion....I'm a card carrying....birth certificate....terrible pres....."
"Dammit nurse, why isn't sedated yet!?"
"He's trying to tell me something! We won't provide him medical service due to Obamacare"
FTFY a bit
Minus emergency rooms, many medical centers and clinics turn patients away without health insurance now. From a public health standpoint it's incredibly stupid. Yay for Obamacare!
That was always the case. I've been turned away a few times from different clinics well before Obama left Al Qaeda to ruin America from the inside.
You are correct in that clinics and hospitals, not operated by county, have always had the option to turn patients away based on insurance for non-emergency services.
Every county operates differently and receives funding differently so creating this blanket statement that X applies to all counties throughout the United States simply isn't accurate- even I acknowledge that.
However, one cannot fail to acknowledge that the changes from Obamacare have also reduced the funding for non-insured patients outside of county facilities as is in the case of Los Angeles County.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-04-28 17:33:27
As far as I understand it, the blanket term "Obamacare" is really just a subsidized mandate to help insure those who can't afford $280/mo. Which isn't even that much a change when you consider all insurance is a subsidy program.
It's not that either. It's literally thousands of health care plans, from multiple private providers streamlined and tailored to the needs of individuals, families and companies in specific counties and states. What you're thinking of is known as Medicare and COBRA.
Lesson on proofreading, I must have deleted my lines about the marketplace aspects of it. But I won't be a *** and edit the post and pretend I was right all along.
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »"Doctor, he's losing blood fast."
"Get him to the Barack Obama Medical Pavilion stat!"
"ughhhhh...the Obama....ahhh....pavilion?"
"Yes, you'll be fine soon. We just need to transfer you there immediately. Everything will be OK."
"..noooo....not the Obama pavilion....I'm a card carrying....birth certificate....terrible pres....."
"Dammit nurse, why isn't sedated yet!?"
"He's trying to tell me something! We won't provide him medical service due to Obamacare"
FTFY a bit
Minus emergency rooms, many medical centers and clinics turn patients away without health insurance now. From a public health standpoint it's incredibly stupid. Yay for Obamacare!
That was always the case. I've been turned away a few times from different clinics well before Obama left Al Qaeda to ruin America from the inside.
However, one cannot fail to acknowledge that the changes from Obamacare have also reduced the funding for non-insured patients outside of county programs as is in the case of Los Angeles County.
I have a close relation that works at a county clinic, and s/he is swearing to the story that conservative business interests are twisting the arms here. Big Pharama and all that tinfoil hat stuff.
That said, this relation also believes that Jesus is the Lord And Savior, so I can't take anything seriously that comes from his/her mouth.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-28 17:34:59
Insurance is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. If you want people to afford healthcare, charge less. Problem solved.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-28 17:37:08
Insurance is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. If you want people to afford healthcare, charge less. Problem solved.
I don't know why you hate the free market, but take your socialism elsewhere.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-04-28 17:38:45
Insurance is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. If you want people to afford healthcare, charge less. Problem solved.
I personally support nationalized healthcare (Not Obamamacare). I think the net gain in the nation's health and well-being justifies the sizeable cost.
Whatever the case is, the time was wrong for a change like this reeling from the economic collapse.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-04-28 17:39:44
I have a close relation that works at a county clinic, and s/he is swearing to the story that conservative business interests are twisting the arms here. Big Pharama and all that tinfoil hat stuff.
That said, this relation also believes that Jesus is the Lord And Savior, so I can't take anything seriously that comes from his/her mouth.
Los Angeles County Clinic?
I am not going to point the finger completely at Obamacare(it does A LOT of GOOD), this story has a lot more to it, the actual Department of Health has been really bad about handling this outbreak. E.g. they didn't tell the public of the number of cases, location or that people had actually died until like 3-4 weeks ago.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-28 17:40:04
Insurance is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. If you want people to afford healthcare, charge less. Problem solved.
I don't know why you hate the free market, but take your socialism elsewhere. Insurance is meant to be used in case of emergency, not for a regular doctor's visit. It needs some retooling and a re-branding. How's that for free market?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-28 17:41:09
Insurance is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. If you want people to afford healthcare, charge less. Problem solved.
I personally support nationalized healthcare (Not Obamamacare). I think the net gain in the nation's health and well-being justifies the sizeable cost.
Whatever the case is, the time was wrong for a change like this reeling from the economic collapse. Nationalize the banks and healthcare, yes!
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-28 17:42:58
It needs some retooling and a re-branding.
By big gubbement
The founding fathers are rolling in their graves. All four of them: Washington, Franklin, Jefferson and Lincoln.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-04-28 17:44:45
Insurance is the biggest scam in the history of mankind. If you want people to afford healthcare, charge less. Problem solved.
I personally support nationalized healthcare (Not Obamamacare). I think the net gain in the nation's health and well-being justifies the sizeable cost.
Whatever the case is, the time was wrong for a change like this reeling from the economic collapse. Nationalize the banks and healthcare, yes!
I really don't know enough about economics to even *** my way to a comment on nationalized banks. The only thing I do know is I can't see the government being any less crooked than the banks themselves. At least with National Health, you have some positive incentive: Better health -> More Productive Workforce - Less economically anxious Citizens -> Encourage spending -> increased revenue.
It needs some retooling and a re-branding.
By big gubbement
The founding fathers are rolling in their graves. All four of them: Washington, Franklin, Jefferson and Lincoln.
Above all else, the Founders were masters of compromise. I think they'd fear the threat of Corporate interests more than Government. After all, what are the Elite Corporate leaders of the world if not a new incarnation of the Imperialist Aristocracy the founders held in such ire?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-28 17:48:16
It needs some retooling and a re-branding.
By big gubbement
The founding fathers are rolling in their graves. All four of them: Washington, Franklin, Jefferson and Lincoln. Lincoln wasn't a founding father.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-28 17:49:17
The only thing I do know is I can't see the government being any less crooked than the banks themselves.
Really depends on who's in charge. At the moment, the federal reserve is literally a privately owned corporation and it's literally run by the banks. If you nationalize the banks and put the same people in charge, not much is going to change.
Interesting story, considering he is still in office:
Quote: Illinois Democrats are backing off a plan to give $100 million toward landing President Obama’s presidential library and museum -- following accusations of voting “shenanigans” and nasty Chicago-style politics, not to mention the state’s dire financial situation.
A Democrat-led House committee approved the money last week at an out-of-town hearing in Chicago with no Republicans in attendance. They instead relied on a procedural move that allowed them to use votes from a previous meeting.
If that wasn't bad enough, then take note that previous presidential libraries were funded privately.
Quote: “It’s ironic that Democrats, who have been threatening drastic cuts in education and other state services if the ‘temporary’ income tax is allowed to expire, now want to spend $100 million in public funds on the Obama presidential library. Where is this money going to come from?” Minority Leader Jim Durkin said in a statement. “At this point in time, Democrats should be rounding up private financial support for the project – not promising public funds we can’t afford.”
An editorial in the Chicago Tribune blasted the proposal this week, calling it an exercise in “doubling down on things it can't afford.”
State money for the Obama library would be unprecedented because presidential libraries are always endowed by private fundraising efforts, says Curt Smith, a former speechwriter for President George H.W. Bush and author of “Windows on the White House: The Story of Presidential Libraries.” Besides, Mr. Smith says, Obama likely doesn’t need the help.
Not only does this raise a myriad of question on what really happened, but does there really need to be a library for each president?
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