Mississippi Passes "Right To Discriminate" Bill...

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Thoughts on this?

Yes, bad ones.

Oh boy, more of this.

I suspect the reason it hasn't shown up much on the national stage is because who the *** cares about Mississippi? You know that one drunk uncle whom you suspect is molesting his kids? That's Mississippi.

This nonsense won't last long. And incompetent business-owners will learn the hard way.

Religious grounds as in a place with religious significance like a church or as in "religious reasons"?

And no they are not "Asked to be tolerant of many things" for the same reason we don't ask people to refrain from stealing or killing.

If your religion says you're allowed to be a bigot you can do it in the privacy of your own home.

Love it when people conveniently forget, or decidedly ignore the "love thy neighbor as you would love yourself" when it comes to this kind of religious legislation - seeing as Church and State are supposed to be separate in the US.

The issue I see here is that gay people aren't causing harm or discriminating against straight people. This Baptist dude says he is expected to be tolerant so gay people should be tolerant of his beliefs. He doesn't want to simply believe something, he wants freedom to discriminate. I guarantee gay people could care less about his beliefs and would serve him a cup of coffee, albeit rather flamboyantly, without any issue.

Well, since it would be convenient for them, the separation of church and state is largely interpreted as "Da gub'mint cain't do nuffin' Ah dun' like 'cuz-a Jeezus, but dey bes' be ready t' pertect me 'cuz-a Jeezus."

And since the government is the people, stuff like this basically confirms that, yes, the United States is the dumbest nation of pig-*** in the industrialized world.

My thought: I think its called acting like a petulant child or simply being a whiny little ***.

you guys act like its just a way for people to discriminate against LGBT people, when its just a law passed to protect private businesses from getting sued for refusing service which is their right, something our current gov regime has forgotten.

It isn't their right, proven by numerous court cases, this law won't hold up in court.

The law IS TO discriminate against numerous groups, to say otherwise is to be dishonest or just really freaking gullible.

The right to refuse service hasn't been neutered. You can deny service for any reason so long as the reason isn't one of those pesky ones protected by anti-discrimination laws.

so if someone you didnt like said you had to provide service from your business or face legal action your ok with that? your business you should be able to do what you want with it.

If I didn't like them due to them belonging to a protected class: yes.

No, you still have to obey the laws of the society you live in. You have the ability to refuse to deal with anyone you want if you are dealing as yourself, as soon as you become a company you have to obey the laws for companies, and companies do not have the right to discriminate unless you can prove serving them can negatively affect your business.

By not like do you mean because of race, gender, sexual preference or and/or other forms of unlawful discrimination?

Or do you mean because they've repeatedly disturbed business operations by behaving like a *** waffle?

The first is (in most places) and should be illegal and you have no right to refuse for those reasons. The later IS legal and should be exercised more often.

Just another bill that allows stupid business owners to go out of business faster. And yes, every business owner that turns away potential business is stupid. For the smart business owners in Mississippi, it will as if this law doesn't even exist.

well now its adding protection for business owners based on their religious views. IMO you shouldn't be able to be sued for sticking your social/religious beliefs no matter how dumb seem just because you run a company.

i agree they would be dumb to do such things but you should be able to chose it w/o fear of legal action.

People keep thinking that just because the owner of the company has beliefs that the beliefs transfer to the company: they don't.

The owner has a right to be as much of a *** as he wants to be, but he cannot operate his business in the same manner as the business will suffer the consequences.

The two are very separate things.

Dunno if there are still businesses that do this, but a couple years ago in the UK, some businesses would broadcast a high-frequency sound that is only detectable by children. It sounded somewhat like a bee buzzing or the noise of tinnitus. Most people over the age of 20 or so have lost their upper range and cannot hear it even at very high volumes. It was a deliberate attempt to prevent kids hanging around their shops. (Edit: By the way, I can link to a version of this sound if anyone is interested.)

I'm fairly sure it was deemed illegal discrimination, but it was the UK and they don't have 1:1 laws with the US, so I'm not sure.

However, that kind of thing would be illegal in the US. A local convenience store that is open 24/7 in my neighborhood has opted for a slightly different approach. They play classical music out into the street for most of the night in the theory that people won't want to linger outside the place while Bach is on the speakers. I have seen no proof that it works, but I also never see the place lacking for a squad car in the lot (note: I bike to work around 5 AM and am occasionally out late, so I've been past this place at almost every hour of the night). It skirts a discrimination law because classical music doesn't target kids and teenagers.

That's effectively what the difference here is. People in Mississippi and Arizona either recognize that classical music isn't going to work or are too lazy to try it. Instead, they want to burn out the ears of the people they hate (metaphorically speaking). And, of course, their hate is justified by religion, because the increased religiosity of this country has perpetuated the false idea that the US is a Christian country that will bow to some pseudo-Protestant version of Shari'a law.

If all you want to do is refuse service, any idiot could do that. But if you want to refuse service and cause harm, then you pass this kind of legislation. It's a very simple distinction.

you are correct in most cases. in a small town where you have a business that is doing just fine with the support of your community who are likeminded to you and having someone new come in and you refuse service because of your beliefs they should not be able to sue you just because of that, thats BS.

If you are refusing service because you want to discriminate against a protected class then no it's not ***, popular belief or not.

You're no different than the people who thinks it's OK to refuse service because of a person's skin color.

I think that describes the conservative mindset rather well.

Bigoted and blind to it?

Eightball, read that quote again and think about how small of a human being you and your kind are.

Inorite? Just because I'm the only physician for 75 miles and the only reliable auto mechanic for 40 miles, I should totally be able to tell that inter-racially married black lesbian in a wheelchair to pound salt when she needs a combination brake job and appendectomy.

Dumbass.

So where in religious text, for this case the bible, does it say to discriminate against others? Genuinely don't know and am asking those who may have actually read it.

Legal action is only one weapon that will be used against these stupid owners. The bad publicity will do far more damage, the press will run with it, and so will the American public. Social media will eat them alive, and their competitors will clean them out.

depends on which bible and which parts you want to pay attention to :P

But being denied service based on innate characteristics beyond your control is A-OK, partner!

This thread is so delicious I'll have it for dessert.

Also we have discussed this issue before.