New Augment Results

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/78641-watchful-pixie-fight-10.html

go down the forum n look @ the pup augment... just full of epic win 4 pup lmao. Best augment ive seen so far

I came.

Hades Sainti with slightly more acc and 10 attack but no eva, subtle blow, or enmity. It's very good, but not the best so far.

EDIT: Hades has 2 more D, it's actually pretty close as damage goes.

We did 3 weskits and I did a fang earring for my thf in the high level FoVs. Results:

1st Weskit = +3 DEX
2nd Weskit = +21 thunder resist
3rd Weskit = +32(I think) mp
Fang earring for my thf... = -1AGI, -1DEX, +1MND ... hurray! /toss lol

All were done in Valley of Sorrows and all within 30 mins of each other.

that's pretty sweet for a ... whm?...na ur right toss it lol

Actually I did make the joke about it being great for a Whinja. lol :\

But yeah, I NPC'd it for 2.5k. Then bought another one to try again.

i only say its the best cuz its +skill which is down right sexy no matter who u look @ it.
lol XD

H2H skill dude.

Holy *** SE did something right :O

ok, sorry for jumping into the game late on this but if i did my math right for Sam 5hit

GK +18
Grip +4
Earring +1
Hachi Hands +8
Rajas +5
Ecph Ring +1
Hachi Feet +4

all this needs to be full timed, WS and TPing to keep 5hit. i didn't count Askar and Chiv Chain in this to try to make up for some lost Str with a KO and since most Sams at least WS in Gorgets. so from what i see you're losing 6% haste for TP and 12Str+5Atk for WS just in sTP gear you need to full time. you could swap out Echp Ring for Chiv Chain but i think most agree what Gorgets are better.

i haven't been able to get anyone explain to me if this 5hit build is really better then a Hasted 6hit. all people seem to say is "omg 5hit > hagun! sell hagun while its still worth something!"

so is this worth it?

edit: may have miscounted my sTP, can cut out Echp Ring since Hachi Feet would put you over.

Not a Sam, but did you include full storetp merits?

Yeah, he has the full +75 needed including Store TP merits and the 25 from traits.

yea sorry, thought merits would be a given, lol

Needs Store TP +74 to hit 5 Hit build on a 450 Delay GKT.

A standard 6 hit build out is:

Base Store TP (w/merits): 35
Askar : 5
Brutal: 1
Raja: 5

So thats +46. Where do you make up the remaining 28?

GKT +11~??
Hachi Kote +8
Usu Feet +7
White Tathlum +2

You lose 3% haste. You lose Hands, which can potentially be a huge minus (No Alky, Kote, etc). You lose Ranged (-2/-3 STR, -2/-4 Attack, or -3 Dex depending). You lose feet (-3/-4 STR). Doing weaponskills every 5 hits would be great if hate weren't an issue at all.

No ***? Read my post again, I broke the skill down into 9 ACC and 10 attack.

Hades NQ is 18D 51 delay 7ACC 7EVA 7 Subtle Blow 7 Enmity. 2D 7EVA 7 Subtle Blow 7 Enmity vs 2 ACC 10 ATK. As DD stats go it's pretty close; since my PUP is mostly for solo play Hades are still better for me.

moment I read askar body I lost interest

Aye, I thought SAM used Hachiman Kote and Hauby o.o Askar Korazin on a non-DRG wut?

This is not an end all be all. Just an example.

If you'd rather use Hauby/+1 (or something else in that slot for that matter) fill your your leg slot with Enkidu Subligar to make up the remaining Store TP +5.

Yeah... DRG really is the only melee class I can think of that can get away with not needing an accuracy piece on it's body. But you can compare and weigh to determine if it's worth the cost of achieving that goal.

Hauberk
Str +1 Dex - 1 Agi -1

Thalassocrat
Str - 1 Dex +1 Vit +1 Agi -1

Thalassocrat # 2
Chr +1

>.>

My new Erlking's Blades:

1. DMG+3, Acc+4, Add: Paralyze +8
2. DMG+4, Acc+5, MAB +4

Nothing spectacular, but better than I already had. The other BLU, however, got DMG+5, Acc+6, M.Acc+3 -.-

My bad, totally bed time for me.


Domaaaaarruuuuuuu for your Rindomaaaaruuuuuu? Seriously though. It's opening up the possibility of a 5 hit build, I honestly don't see why askar body gets so much hate, but you should be open to a lot of different combinations in order to activate 5 hit. It's quite possible that because of all the haste and STR loss that it will be ***. But it's also possible that there's a good way of activating it that makes it legitimately better than hagun.

kind trying to do a "poor mans Sam". i dont play a ton to do Salvage and my LS doesn't do Sandworm. i personally dont like Askar for Sam since it lacks Acc. even i if i do use Askar i can lose Hachi Feet and get Fumas back. i'd rather make contact and hit the mob then wiff 3% faster. call me a noob, tell me to sell my account and cut myself like an emo kid, i dont care. but in order for me to get a 5hit the setup i have to run is

5hit
GK +18
Rose Grip
Wally Turban/Wyvern Helm
Chiv Chain/Gorgets
Bushi/Brutal Earring
Nuevo (Acc/DA)
Hachi Hands
Rajas/Ulth Ring/Flame
Byakko/Fourth Div
Amemet +1
Swift Belt/Warwolf
Hachi Feet

vs

Hasted 6hit
Hagun
Rose Grip
Wally Turban/Wyvern Helm
Chiv Chain/Gorgets
Bushi/Brutal Earring
Nuevo (Acc/DA)
Dusk/Pallas
Rajas/Ecph Ring
Byakko/Fourth Div
Amemet +1
Swift Belt/Warwolf
Fuma/Rutter

just trying to get a straight answer on this

Askar body:

Str +5
attk +12
eva + 12
DA +2%
sTP +5

Hauby +1

Str +6
Dex +6
acc +12
attk +12

its the acc loss that I shun
hauby is the true TP body, cuz wiffing = 0tp

it brings you closer to the acc cap.

#1 is meh, unless para is good, #2 is situationally handy (I'd use it on imps for magic hammer)

Your friend just got a free Fragarach +1 though O_O

This is closest I've seen to that, I think I'd prefer the one you just mentioned though:

If I recall correctly the +number is % based. People usually get around +13-14 in additional effect augments and report that the proc rate is downright horrendous.

What works for you, works for you.

Np, I'm looking for awesome augmented weapons for basically all my jobs but BLM (scythe WTF) and PLD so I'm following this pretty close. I'd be really enthused about that H2H if it wasn't for how I use my PUP, seeing as Hades are 700k.


Because he mentioned it as part of a 6-hit build. 5-hit's one thing, but Askar for a 6-hit's pushing your luck. On the topic of Rindo 5-hit vs Hagun 6-hit, BG's bouncing back and forth but it looks like with the right augments Rindomaru wins out.

Yeah, but don't forget the Rindomaru can also come with a fairly nice chunk of ws accuracy as well, can't remember how much, but that would make up for the loss of acc on body, while adding up to +20 STP (15 on GK, 5 on Askar). So it's really all about how you go about achieving the 5-hit, which goes above and beyond the pieces you equip solely for store TP. Might also mean that the new moogle hat has a very nice spot in a sam's ws build with some previously un-considered augments, such as extra acc, or STP+4.