No Tips After Dinner For Gays!

The main problem as said if you have the tipped included what incentive do you give the servers to put any effort in being a good waiter/waitress. The entire idea of a tip is going above and beyond what is expected.

Nope.

I think the idea of the tip is to prevent someone from doing something wrong.

Ok, so by the sounds of it, we are in agreement that tipping IS necessary in order to attain a satisfactory level of service. So let's hear from all the nay sayers on what their idea of a counter to the tipping system is.

Not getting fired? I'm pretty sure that's the incentive for every other job that doesn't include a tip.

Oh I dunno.. getting fired maybe. You can only half-*** so long before it's noticed and you're put out to pasture.

Many restaurants already include tip when you pay your bills. The idea of tip making people competitive also leads to petty internal politics that results in splitting pools.

This. It's social pressure and the stigma of 'if you don't tip, they'll spit in your food'. It might be what's currently expected, but it's far from an ideal system.

I don't expect my waiter to do anything besides bring correct food to the table, refill my drink once, and be polite. 'Above and beyond' service just means liking them generally.. the kitchen is the one responsible for the speed. Someone's wage shouldn't be primarily determined by how likable(or attractive..) they are either, for that matter. I'm not going to tip a hot or flirty waitress extra, they didn't do anything extra. Everyone gets the same 20%. Faking interaction isn't something to be commended.

Put a drink machine out there? Not hard to bring food to a table and walk away and not have to worry about it.

I'd rather fill up my own drinks than pay 5-10 bucks for someone to do it for me lol.

Not saying that's what every restaurant should do but just threw that off the top of my head w/o giving it any thought in 5 seconds. I'm not that lazy though. I just eat out because I'm not a chef/good cook. I don't mind the act/time consumed in making a meal, I just like how their food tastes better. I wouldn't mind doing all of the service related ***for myself.



Honestly though, despite hating the system as is, I think there were three occasions where I did not tip in all of 2013

1) My order was horribly messed up (and at her fault, she wrote the wrong ***down; then told me I ordered what I didn't order because what she brought out matched what she wrote down; she just happened to write it down wrong)

Making mistakes is fine but turning around and blaming it on me rather than admitting you *** up is not.


2) Went to a Korean restaurant and the waitress went to three Asian tables who came after we did (me and one other black guy) and took their orders before taking ours (and was pretty slow w/ everything in relation to our table for that meal)

3) Shift change; the lady who was waiting our table left about 20 minutes before we did; and I eat pretty fast. So while I socialized w/ my friends who got the new waiter mid shift change, that person didn't do a single thing concerning me, so I didn't feel the need to give him any money

Consider the following scenario:


You are moving. I am running a crew of guys to pack, box, and prepare all your earthly possessions for moving. We spend 12 hours on day one packing you up.

Day two, we spend 9 hours carrying all of the ***you can't bear to toss into your new home.


Are you going to tip me?



(Trick question! Whether you want to or not, you already did)

DUDE! You're cheap and look for reasons not to tip. That's all it is. Just admit it!

I don't tip ***employees. This has already been established lol

You actually steal from ***employees. That's above and beyond.

how could someone spit in your food because you didn't tip? do you mean you got the leftovers in a to go box and when you didn't tip the server stopped you, took the box, opened the box, and dropped a spit bomb on it?

Yes you tip. Those guys did you a service that you didn't want to do yourself. Not to mention, they probably busted their *** doing it.

I also didn't tip at all back then. I was an *** in high school. Won't try to fight or deny those claims at all lol

Fast forward 8 years and I tip well for good service, double tax for normal service (easy to do the math on etc.); nothing for bad service.

And if you don't, that box labeled "misc. electronics" may not make it out of the truck.

Cream Soda: Aspiring Businessman.

repeat customers.

More common in jobs like pizza delivery where they know which address tip well and which don't at all

Everything I'd take with me if I moved fits in my car. It might be different if I owned a house/furniture, but with that in mind I might not be informed. I've lived a few places and never gotten attached to furniture, so iunno.

In the situation, I wouldn't tip them because social pressure doesn't mandate it. I don't tip restaurants because I feel they earned it, I do it because it's what's expected of someone dining at that establishment. I'm not going to start tipping dunkin' donuts because they added a tip cup, or stop crossing out the tip line for a takeout order just because the opportunity is presented to me.

So we've gone from voluntary extra pay as a gesture of goodwill to pay me my *** money or I will intentionally sabotage your delivery or spit in your food.

God Bless America.

Don't be surprised if something goes missing!

Tipping isn't about rewarding excellence. It's about acknowledging that someone has the power to ***in your cheerios and you'd prefer they didn't.

My own personal code of tipping conduct is this: I will tip someone if they are doing me a service that I would not do myself. Movers will get tipped, servers will get tipped, my lawncare guy if I had one would get tipped, etc. I'm sure there are plenty of service workers that you could name that I likely wouldn't but its just a general rule for me.

Do you guys tip pizza/chinese/etc delivery drivers? Same idea?

Now that's an interesting thought, like I said I've had no experience in the matter.

Is it 'standard' practice to tip movers, or is it just a preventative measure to ensure their honesty..?

Yes I do.

Unless it's tipping above the norm guidelines. Then it is excellence.

I would say neither. Most professional movers are just that; professional. I reward hard work and good effort and good attitude. Movers usually deserve but don't always get tipped. I wouldn't call it standard, but not very rare either.

I'll ask you this: If you hired 4 guys to move your piano up a flight of stairs, would you call it fair to break them each off 10 or 15 bucks on top of the bill?

I just pick up the food personally.

Now this, YOU DO get charged for up front. Pay the delivery man with the delivery fee.

Not to mention the place I get pizza from is 5.95 for a large pizza carryout, 9 dollars for a large pizza delivery.

3 more dollars
2-3 dollar delivery fee
AND you want me to tip?

Yes, on this one you can call me a cheap ***. I just bike there and bike home w/ a box of pizza in one arm

The wealthy do the latter.



But I will say this. If your move takes more than one day, you better tip. Every guy on that crew will be thinking "I could have been on 2 jobs that might have tipped" if you stiff em.