(CA) K-12 Transgender Law Repeal

Am I the only one who isn't sure which Gender they're looking at?

Are we really getting into this again?

I think as RuPaul said it best. People shouldn't be getting all butt-hurt when the word is coming from someone within the community. If your using the label transphobe on another gay, then what word do you use to label the people who really hate you.

-RuPaul

I give him SO many props for saying this. The irony of the situation is that GLAAD didn't go after him!

In general many words can be derogatory or not just depending on how they're used. I don't think it's necessary to make a trial to those who just do it innocently with no clear malice.

C'mon....



He pulls it off nicely!

Dat smile!

Sensationalism = ratings/attention/money... It's got nothing to do with whether anyone was offended. Sooner or later some of these groups are going to have to come to grips with the idea of furthering their stature by actually doing something, instead of just making a lot of noise when a celebrity/politician says something controversial.

Words are words, nothing more, nothing less.

This visual element doesn't magically separate the two. There's a visual component to homosexuality as well (PDA, flamboyant individuals, increasing media inclusion), and this kind of visualization is more pervasive with the homosexual population being much larger then the trans community.

I googled that quote for shits and grins and wouldn't you know, most of the hits were gay-related. Yup, the two phobias are totes different.

-Dr. Ray Blanchard, Sexologist

Pleebo's words discredit all opposition Bacon.

You clearly don't spend enough time in the FFXIah political forums...

You aren't watching her *** diving but you are watching her hold her girlfriend's hand or hearing them say they love each other. I get the sentiment from the quote but it's extremely obtuse to apply that so broadly.

Edit: clarificiation

What if you *want* to see your friend perform cunnilingus on her girlfriend?

Straight girls do that.

Sexologists are real things? I thought that was just used as a pick up line...

Sounds more official than *** doctor.

EDIT: Ray Blanchard helped write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Edition 4 and 5. Specifically the parts on transexualism and related mental conditions. I would consider him an expert in the field.

The opposition isn't coming from a "right" or "left" side this time. It's coming from Ray Blanchard an authority on human sexuality and transsexualism. His opinion isn't discredited that easily, even here on FFXIAH lol.

appeal to authority

I'm not saying that his sentiment isn't true. I get it. But it doesn't force some clear distinction between the two rights movements, and it certainly doesn't excuse the use of the exact same rhetoric used against homosexuals being used against transgenders. It still remains fallacious.

Once again, RuPaul, and any other cisgender drag queen have as much authority on deciding whether or not "tr***y" is offensive as a white person does regarding the n-word or a straight person does with "f****t." He's not trans, he's a cisgender gay man. Cisgender people don't get to dictate what is offensive to trans people. So it's not coming from "within the community" when RuPaul, Dan Savage, Neil Patrick Harris, or Lance Bass do it. It may not come from a place of transphobia, but it does come from a place of ignorance. But when someone repeatedly uses it after being made aware it's offensive... well, then it IS transphobia.


Yet the trans community and many prominent LGBT activists did, and we haven't forgotten either. GLAAD still considers the word offensive.


Yeah... Blanchard is loathed by the trans community. There were a lot of issues with him and a couple of the others being on the committee regarding gender with the DSM V. They hold some pretty regressive, and destructive views regarding us, when the rest of the world has passed them by.

I love that you're fallen into the "Won't somebody think of the children?!" argument. You must realize there's a reason why the Simpsons has been mocking it for 20 years. I'm sure I could find the proper Latin term for why it's a fallacy, but I'll just explain it.

First and foremost, kids are not fragile. Like, at all. They don't get bothered by things that happen outside of their family. They're seriously that self-centered. It's an evolutionary thing, really, and one we always have with us. When it comes to seeing someone who is different from their family, most kids really don't care. If someone is frightening, that's one thing, but the worst a kid has done when raised by white folk and first seeing dark folk is look at mommy and say, "Why are they so dark?" The kid doesn't ***his pants and run screaming to find a shotgun.

There are only two ways a kid can get bothered by a transgender person. First, someone in their family is transgender and starts to transition. If mommy starts to become a man, the kids are going to be traumatized. But that's true if the kids are 5 or 55. It's a big deal because gender is so much a part of our identity. If Mr. Johnson down the street becomes Mrs. Johnson, it might be weird to look at, but the kid won't have nightmares. Or it might not, but I'll return to that point in a second. The other way to get a kid freaked out is to be raised by bigots who spend their time explaining why the blacks or the Jews or the gays or the feminists or the Democrats or the *** (incidentally, you can swap these to all the liberal hate targets if you prefer -- I've seen plenty of hippie-raised kids losing their ***over Republicans) are responsible for evil in the world. You get raised in that bile, it becomes you.

But there's a bigger and more important reason why your "visual component" dodge is a lie: it's really hard to spot a transgendered person.

I'm gay (and so are you, so this shouldn't be news). I can spot a drag queen from a mile off because I've been to drag shows and even dated a couple. They're obviously men. My parents, who are conservative and old-fashioned and possibly naive, get fooled all the time. Since you're a ***, I'm going to hope you find that as funny as I do, since drag queens are really obvious. Drag queens are camp. They dress outrageously and even though they look female, there are some really obvious clues.

Transgendered and transsexual people are a different group entirely. You usually can't tell the difference. If you live in a large enough community, you may well have walked past a woman who was born male. She might be completely unaltered, too, relying on a stuffed bra and her own self-confidence. There's no visual component to spot. There is enough ambiguity in the gender spectrum that people go through their lives without being bothered. I've seen biologically male people who identify as male who, frankly, if I didn't see the bulge in their pants, I'd think were girls. I know a LOT of girls who look like men. Heck, it's Movember, you might wanna google for women with moustaches, 'cause they exist and some of them are inexplicably proud of the silly things (I think ALL moustaches are silly, not just female ones).

There's no visual discomfort with transgendered people. Actually, frankly, it's us homos who cause visual discomfort. We go out of our way to dress and act in ways that set us apart from the mainstream. We don't do female impersonation (a long-standing and robust comedic tradition in England), we go full-camp drag. Our women buzz their hair short and wander around with their *** out. Our men convince the entire country that skinny jeans are fashionable (I really don't get this, given how fitting into those things requires you to look like an AIDS patient).

We're the ones who make people uncomfortable because we deliberately don't fit in. Transgendered people are working overtime to hide under the radar. Your argument is invalid. I just wanted to make sure you had a full explanation of why.

Any opinion can be disredited anywhere... lol... key word being opinion...

Science and medicine isn't about catering to the masses and social norms. The fact that the APA appointed him for both the 4th and 5th edition says something. I think what bothers most transgenders is that he's brutally honest about the political shenanigans the transgender community does behind public eyes.

-Ray Blanchard

I love that you cut off the rest of that quotation. I especially love that you completely disregarded Dr. Ray Blanchard's comparison of the visual components between homosexuality and transexualism.

What you call appealing to authority I call citing a credible source.

Part of making an argument is citing a credible source to support one's claims.

EDIT: LOTS OF EDITS :)

Human nature? Support the things you like oppose the things you don't! Fear of the unknown!

There's physical contact in baseball/softball.

There's only a few ways it can get dicey in soccer, and that's if you're avoiding giving an accidental knee or ball to the nuggets to a guy and he's avoiding giving an accidental elbow to the boob, both of which is a "comes with the territory" factor if you're going to play in a co-ed situation. It's an awkwardness that only happens if someone is accidentally hurt in the process, but can be laughed off if it's minor. You're always conscious of the possibility of what could happen to an opponent or teammate of the opposite sex though.

If a guy doubles over, you can't help but stop in your tracks, cringe, and apologize. Guys will do you the courtesy of extending their hand to help you up when they knock you down.

It's not a horrible experience, it's just different.

EDIT: It's play, but the gender roles are still there.

Wasn't there a big *** deal raised because a woman was driving in NASCAR, a sport with zero physical contact outside horrifying wrecks that semi-inebriated patrons hope occur at every event?

Fact is if you're different, someone will find a way to give you ***about it.

HEY GOD DAMN IT SHE"S GOT A WEIGHT ADVANTAGE!!!!