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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Fine I'll ask just so we're all clear. You're mocking my, hypothesis no (obamacare raises healthcare costs and pulls more people into government assistance to pay for them)? So does that mean you don't think it's true? I also do like to mock you mainly because you're a ridiculous person and it entertains me though... but hey everyones entitled to their own thoughts and opinions!
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » Holy crap! I wasn't even talking about Obama. Look your charts posted shot the same curve mine do. Look at how it starts in 1980's the Reagan years and keeps going up. My point was about Reagan...try actually reading something I post. Only in your universe is the REAGAN bump more substantial than the OBAMA bump. It's one thing to take us from 30%-50% GDP but any entirely different league to take us from 70%-110% GDP. Wasn't talking about Obamas spending in the post and your behavior is borderline harassment if you can't grasp the context of the post and keep going off on the Obama tangent and make condescending comments. You said Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » As you can see the serious incline begins with Reagan. You said this after posting charts which omitted Obama's contribution to the debt. I simply filled in the omitted data and corrected you. Sorry you feel harassed. Don't post if you don't want to be challenged when you post skewed facts and partisan hypotheses. You haven't challenged me in any capacity. The Obama data has nothing to do with the context of what I was posting. All you did was show that every president from Reagan to now has done nothing but increase government spending and the debt which is something I said 2 pages ago. So thank you for attempting to try and challenge me in some capacity but actually validating a point indirectly. Here's what you validated: Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » It's all part of the corporatist agenda thats been in effect since the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush administrations. See Dylan Ratigan's famous rant about the fleecing of America. YouTube Video Placeholder *takes off tinfoil hat* Better luck next time.
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Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Fine I'll ask just so we're all clear. You're mocking my, hypothesis no (obamacare raises healthcare costs and pulls more people into government assistance to pay for them)? So does that mean you don't think it's true? I also do like to mock you mainly because you're a ridiculous person and it entertains me though... but hey everyones entitled to their own thoughts and opinions! I'd be stupid if I said Obama hasn't added to the national deficit since he stepped into office... In some ways you can make excuses for him because the way the government wsa going already had added about 6 trillion in debt the 8 years previous and that was when the economy was still booming and there wasn't a sever decrease in tax revenue because of the recession... even if you kept the government at the same level of spending as during the Bush era it would still rise at a higher rate... though it does appear that spending has also increased under his terms and that does account for a higher debt as well... blah blah blah and more blah...
/waits for King to tell me that I have no understanding of everything and that I am not an accountant so I could never understand! Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Fine I'll ask just so we're all clear. You're mocking my, hypothesis no (obamacare raises healthcare costs and pulls more people into government assistance to pay for them)? So does that mean you don't think it's true? If you want though you can call this a dodge again and walk away with some kind of self inflated pride that you got for defeating what you think is a liberal voice opposing your own lol... Siren.Flavin said: » I'd be stupid if I said Obama hasn't added to the national deficit since he stepped into office... In some ways you can make excuses for him because the way the government wsa going already had added about 6 trillion in debt the 8 years previous and that was when the economy was still booming and there wasn't a sever decrease in tax revenue because of the recession... even if you kept the government at the same level of spending as during the Bush era it would still rise at a higher rate... though it does appear that spending has also increased under his terms and that does account for a higher debt as well... blah blah blah and more blah... /waits for King to tell me that I have no understanding of everything and that I am not an accountant so I could never understand! Obamacare raises healthcare costs and therefore pulls more people onto government assistance to pay for them. You either agree with that (in which case why would you mock it) or you don't (in which case my entertaining response is apparently completely validated). Which is it? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Siren.Flavin said: » I'd be stupid if I said Obama hasn't added to the national deficit since he stepped into office... In some ways you can make excuses for him because the way the government wsa going already had added about 6 trillion in debt the 8 years previous and that was when the economy was still booming and there wasn't a sever decrease in tax revenue because of the recession... even if you kept the government at the same level of spending as during the Bush era it would still rise at a higher rate... though it does appear that spending has also increased under his terms and that does account for a higher debt as well... blah blah blah and more blah... /waits for King to tell me that I have no understanding of everything and that I am not an accountant so I could never understand!
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He's gonna tell you, that you can't read a chart even though said chart shows a radical degree during the Bush administration.
He may even at some point try and deflect and say its all due to the principle known as Moore's law being applied to finance. Here's an example: Quote: It shouldn’t come as a surprise, then, that Moore’s Law also applies to the financial system. From 1929 to 2009 the total market capitalization of the U.S. stock market has doubled every decade. The total trading volume of stocks in the Dow Jones Industrial Average doubled every 7.5 years during this period, but in the most recent decade, the pace has accelerated: now the doubling occurs every 2.9 years, growing almost as fast as the semiconductor industry. Same trend is seen with government spending and debt. Quoted from the following MIT Sloan article: http://mitsloan.mit.edu/finance/blog/?p=114
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We already own the IRS ***! you think we can't take you down even further with the ACA! we took your own legislation and turned it against you! burn in hell!
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Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » The point was that the chart (and "study" in general) is dishonest for not accounting for subsidies and for not disclosing the fact that they don't account for them in their super-duper model. Now why would the Heritage Foundation want to misrepresent their numbers? Hmmm, beats me! You either agree with my previous point (in which case why would you mock it) or you don't (in which case my entertaining response is apparently completely validated). Which is it? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » The point was that the chart (and "study" in general) is dishonest for not accounting for subsidies and for not disclosing the fact that they don't account for them in their super-duper model. Now why would the Heritage Foundation want to misrepresent their numbers? Hmmm, beats me!
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Maybe I should have brought to light option broken record lol...
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Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » The point was that the chart (and "study" in general) is dishonest for not accounting for subsidies and for not disclosing the fact that they don't account for them in their super-duper model. Now why would the Heritage Foundation want to misrepresent their numbers? Hmmm, beats me! Enjoy your mockery, and your denial. lol you're awesome dude... don't ever stop posting here...
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Siren.Flavin said: » Flav, I never knew a guy sang that! You learn something new everyday! Well now you do... don't act like you're not a little bit more attracted to me now...
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Siren.Flavin said: » I'd be stupid if I said Obama hasn't added to the national deficit since he stepped into office... In some ways you can make excuses for him because the way the government wsa going already had added about 6 trillion in debt the 8 years previous and that was when the economy was still booming and there wasn't a sever decrease in tax revenue because of the recession... even if you kept the government at the same level of spending as during the Bush era it would still rise at a higher rate... though it does appear that spending has also increased under his terms and that does account for a higher debt as well... blah blah blah and more blah... You are correct. While the debt was increasing, it was not increasing at the rate as it currently is increasing. The main reason was because we had a lot of tax revenue from a booming economy. Oh, btw, we have been funding the government at the exact rate (adjusted for inflation) from 2009 to 2012. That is that continuing resolution that has resulted from Congress (mainly the Senate, since the House has passed multiple budgets each year, but not one has been presented on the Senate floor due to Reid, even during the years that the House was at the mercy of the liberals!) not passing a budget and a president not pressing the issue to have a budget passed (he still hasn't pressed the issue). But we need policies in place to help grow the economy to lower the debt we accumulate each year (not exactly an ideal situation, but I would rather have that than not doing anything at all). Instead, we have Obama telling everyone he will not negotiate with others and reaping the rewards of a friendly media. Quote: /waits for King to tell me that I have no understanding of everything and that I am not an accountant so I could never understand! Ooooo... an actual sarcasm tag... it does make things easier...
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YouTube Video Placeholder Even Jon Stewart was ripping up the ACA last night. At least he's putting blame where it belongs. Siren.Flavin said: » Well now you do... don't act like you're not a little bit more attracted to me now... I know! That 'fro, man! Throw in the iconic Selleck 'stache, maybe a gold chain buried in some chesthair, and done deal! Siren.Flavin said: » Ooooo... an actual sarcasm tag... it does make things easier...
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » YouTube Video Placeholder Even Jon Stewart was ripping up the ACA last night. At least he's putting blame where it belongs.Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Oh noes not wealth distribution! Distribution from upper income brackets to lower occurs from increased taxes on things like cadillac insurance plans and lol tanning tax. It is not solely in the direction of young to old. Seriously, this is all crap that has been known since the law's passage. And you guys like to accuse lawmakers of not knowing what's in it? Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » YouTube Video Placeholder Even Jon Stewart was ripping up the ACA last night. At least he's putting blame where it belongs.Sometimes the reality is so awful it cannot be spun... Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » YouTube Video Placeholder Even Jon Stewart was ripping up the ACA last night. At least he's putting blame where it belongs.Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Oh noes not wealth distribution! Distribution from upper income brackets to lower occurs from increased taxes on things like cadillac insurance plans and lol tanning tax. It is not solely in the direction of young to old. Seriously, this is all crap that has been known since the law's passage. And you guys like to accuse lawmakers of not knowing what's in it? I mean, besides the ramifications of having a price ceiling on any commodity that is. Also, the definition of a Cadillac insurance plan is variable to the ACA, so what may not qualify one year may qualify the next.... Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » YouTube Video Placeholder Even Jon Stewart was ripping up the ACA last night. At least he's putting blame where it belongs.lol I didn't say that! What makes you think I ever thought that? Take a step back dude and relax.....  Finally... a game!
Edit: it is my fault for making an assumption and since you asked it was based off your comments on bashing MSM and it's almost monoploization of media in which stewart has been mentioned before... not anything you said right there... Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Seriously, this is all crap that has been known since the law's passage. And you guys like to accuse lawmakers of not knowing what's in it? idk about your lawmaker... but mine needs a <--- OVER written on his palm to find the back of his hand... I drew the arrow pointing the other way and he judo flipped himself trying to find it.... he watches a video every morning like in that movie 50 First Dates to remember his name... His aide has this speech memorized... Sir, the underwear is worn inside your pants... and you may want to consider some clean ones... |
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