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What discussion? Is there a discussion going on here? Because Amandarius posting random *** backed up with no facts is not a discussion, its just his usual behavior.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
What discussion? Is there a discussion going on here? Because Amandarius posting random *** backed up with no facts is not a discussion, its just his usual behavior.
It's like trying to speak to a jihadist.
Red is right, Blue is wrong. Red can do no wrong, Blue does nothing right. DEATH TO OBAMACARE.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sharing partisan ideals is one thing, but no, the Senate has actually taken a more liberal stance on virtually everything in this term, often ignoring Obama's recommendations even within the same mindset. The Senate is not an arm of the Executive.
OK buddy
Care to respond to the fact that you made an erroneous statement about voting along party lines? Or are you ok with being the tinfoil hat guy?
No I said nothing erroneous. I'm sorry if you think Senate Democrats only voting 94.9% of the time along party lines isn't a solid voting block. And I'm not going to hammer out those number but if you throw out the lowest member Joe Manchin it's a lot higher. All except 10 of them were over 90%. That's ridiculous. That's Borg.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
No I said nothing erroneous. I'm sorry if you think Senate Democrats only voting 94.9% of the time along party lines isn't a solid voting block. And I'm not going to hammer out those number but if you throw out the lowest member Joe Manchin it's a lot higher. All except 10 of them were over 90%. That's ridiculous. That's Borg.
random ***.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
What discussion? Is there a discussion going on here? Because Amandarius posting random *** backed up with no facts is not a discussion, its just his usual behavior.
It's like trying to speak to a jihadist.
Red is right, Blue is wrong. Red can do no wrong, Blue does nothing right. DEATH TO OBAMACARE.
Yes your opinions are always so diverse here. Look around you are no better than what you accuse me of.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sharing partisan ideals is one thing, but no, the Senate has actually taken a more liberal stance on virtually everything in this term, often ignoring Obama's recommendations even within the same mindset. The Senate is not an arm of the Executive.
OK buddy
Care to respond to the fact that you made an erroneous statement about voting along party lines? Or are you ok with being the tinfoil hat guy?
No I said nothing erroneous. I'm sorry if you think Senate Democrats only voting 94.9% of the time along party lines isn't a solid voting block. And I'm not going to hammer out those number but if you throw out the lowest member Joe Manchin it's a lot higher. All except 10 of them were over 90%. That's ridiculous. That's Borg.
So 80% of senate democrats voted along party lines over 90% is your benchmark for lockstep.... 89% of house republicans voted along party lines over 90% of the time.
You're wrong. And, as usual, you make a wild claim, pick an incredibly small part of the evidence proving you wrong and try to eek out a niche of ambiguity, then stick your fingers in your ears and run around screaming OBAMA OBAMA.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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Did he actually say "cancer viruses"?
Lets not even get into the fact that defecting on any vote is always a huge risk to the defector, potentially causing irreparable damage to your standing and possible re-election. And yet, Amandarius wonders why its so rare.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Lets not even get into the fact that defecting on any vote is always a huge risk to the defector, potentially causing irreparable damage to your standing and possible re-election. And yet, Amandarius wonders why its so rare.
I don't wonder why it's so rare and you make my case.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sharing partisan ideals is one thing, but no, the Senate has actually taken a more liberal stance on virtually everything in this term, often ignoring Obama's recommendations even within the same mindset. The Senate is not an arm of the Executive.
OK buddy
Care to respond to the fact that you made an erroneous statement about voting along party lines? Or are you ok with being the tinfoil hat guy?
No I said nothing erroneous. I'm sorry if you think Senate Democrats only voting 94.9% of the time along party lines isn't a solid voting block. And I'm not going to hammer out those number but if you throw out the lowest member Joe Manchin it's a lot higher. All except 10 of them were over 90%. That's ridiculous. That's Borg.
So 80% of senate democrats voted along party lines over 90% is your benchmark for lockstep.... 89% of house republicans voted along party lines over 90% of the time.
You're wrong. And, as usual, you make a wild claim, pick an incredibly small part of the evidence proving you wrong and try to eek out a niche of ambiguity, then stick your fingers in your ears and run around screaming OBAMA OBAMA.
And those number posted are admittedly vague.
from the site:
"All votes are weighted equally in this ranking, so a non-binding resolution honoring a collegiate sports team, for example, is considered equal to a vote on passing health care reform. Since the vast majority of the hundreds of votes factored in are routine in nature, the result is that even highly-independent senators have a seemingly high score on voting with their party. But it's the context that matters, and this ranking attempts to provide that. Obviously, this gives only a partial picture of the ideological spectrum."
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Lets not even get into the fact that defecting on any vote is always a huge risk to the defector, potentially causing irreparable damage to your standing and possible re-election. And yet, Amandarius wonders why its so rare.
I don't wonder why it's so rare and you make my case.
Your case doesn't exist, it applies to both parties, by singling out the Dems and ignoring the GOP, you continue to live in your own little world. Good try tho.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sharing partisan ideals is one thing, but no, the Senate has actually taken a more liberal stance on virtually everything in this term, often ignoring Obama's recommendations even within the same mindset. The Senate is not an arm of the Executive.
OK buddy
Care to respond to the fact that you made an erroneous statement about voting along party lines? Or are you ok with being the tinfoil hat guy?
No I said nothing erroneous. I'm sorry if you think Senate DemocrTuesdayats only voting 94.9% of the time along party lines isn't a solid voting block. And I'm not going to hammer out those number but if you throw out the lowest member Joe Manchin it's a lot higher. All except 10 of them were over 90%. That's ridiculous. That's Borg.
But its ok for the congressional republicans to be borg like?
Actually burden of proof is on any person who makes a claim that is refuted in any capacity. Its on the reufting party to back their claim up as well. To say I'm not going to do the work like you just did and have done in the past to prove your assertion is narcissistic and cowardly.
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Lets not even get into the fact that defecting on any vote is always a huge risk to the defector, potentially causing irreparable damage to your standing and possible re-election. And yet, Amandarius wonders why its so rare.
I don't wonder why it's so rare and you make my case.
Your case doesn't exist, it applies to both parties, by singling out the Dems and ignoring the GOP, you continue to live in your own little world. Good try tho.
But the whole argument liberals have been making is there are factions fighting a civil war in the Republican party. Good try tho.
Here's what you said.
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
What did you do? Go to the straw man shool of argumentation?
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Lets not even get into the fact that defecting on any vote is always a huge risk to the defector, potentially causing irreparable damage to your standing and possible re-election. And yet, Amandarius wonders why its so rare.
I don't wonder why it's so rare and you make my case.
Your case doesn't exist, it applies to both parties, by singling out the Dems and ignoring the GOP, you continue to live in your own little world. Good try tho.
But the whole argument liberals have been making is there are factions fighting a civil war in the Republican party. Good try tho.
Uh, Republicans have been saying the same thing. It's a fact, not a viewpoint.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Here's what you said.
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
OK so now you are shredding your own reference. Dig it.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Here's what you said.
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
OK so now you are shredding your own reference. Dig it.
Do you speak English?
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Lets not even get into the fact that defecting on any vote is always a huge risk to the defector, potentially causing irreparable damage to your standing and possible re-election. And yet, Amandarius wonders why its so rare.
I don't wonder why it's so rare and you make my case.
Your case doesn't exist, it applies to both parties, by singling out the Dems and ignoring the GOP, you continue to live in your own little world. Good try tho.
But the whole argument liberals have been making is there are factions fighting a civil war in the Republican party. Good try tho.
Uh, Republicans have been saying the same thing. It's a fact, not a viewpoint.
So how do you want it; they march in lockstep or there is a civil between factions in the Republican party? Can't have it both ways, brah. Checkmate?
Yeah, what happens when the GOP says there is a lot of infighting going on in their own party like they are doing now? Hmm. Another failed attempt. Liberals are not saying anything, they are sitting back and enjoying the show.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Lets not even get into the fact that defecting on any vote is always a huge risk to the defector, potentially causing irreparable damage to your standing and possible re-election. And yet, Amandarius wonders why its so rare.
I don't wonder why it's so rare and you make my case.
Your case doesn't exist, it applies to both parties, by singling out the Dems and ignoring the GOP, you continue to live in your own little world. Good try tho.
But the whole argument liberals have been making is there are factions fighting a civil war in the Republican party. Good try tho.
Uh, Republicans have been saying the same thing. It's a fact, not a viewpoint.
So how do you want it; they march in lockstep or there is a civil between factions in the Republican party? Can't have it both ways, brah. Checkmate?
I never said that they march in lockstep, the Tea Party has the real threat of running primary candidates against moderates to intimidate the rest of the party to follow suit. Several incumbents that had TP candidates run against them in primaries spoke out publicly about it.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Here's what you said.
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
OK so now you are shredding your own reference. Dig it.
Do you speak English?
Because your reference was vague and weighed "fluff" legislation equally to major politically charged legislation with massive consequences. Then did I see you just invent you own statistics? How many votes were fluff legislation? Can you at least provide that number you started with when calculating your "statistics."
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Yeah, what happens when the GOP says there is a lot of infighting going on in their own party like they are doing now? Hmm. Another failed attempt. Liberals are not saying anything, they are sitting back and enjoying the show.
Good so it took you and Jassick two pages but at least you finally verified my claim that there is actually debate in the Republican party whereas there is none among Democrats. I guess you were just arguing to argue, used to it.
Can you provide any evidence that there is no debate with the democratic party? Or are you just throwing out wild accusations like we are used to?
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Here's what you said.
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
OK so now you are shredding your own reference. Dig it.
Do you speak English?
Because your reference was vague and weighed "fluff" legislation equally to major politically charged legislation with massive consequences. Then did I see you just invent you own statistics? How many votes were fluff legislation? Can you at least provide that number you started with when calculating your "statistics."
Once again, fluff legislation almost always passes with overwhelming consensus regardless of party lines.
If 98% of pubs and 98% of dems vote yes on a fluff bill, you can subtract the entirety of that bill from the total on both sides and the statistic remains unchanged.
You don't get to pick apart even the most basic portions of fields you know nothing about. And this is 7th grade Algebra, so I'm guessing you didn't make it to 8th grade.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Yeah, what happens when the GOP says there is a lot of infighting going on in their own party like they are doing now? Hmm. Another failed attempt. Liberals are not saying anything, they are sitting back and enjoying the show.
Good so it took you and Jassick two pages but at least you finally verified my claim that there is actually debate in the Republican party whereas there is none among Democrats. I guess you were just arguing to argue, used to it.
Apples and oranges, bubba.
Yes, internal debate within the Republican party consists of whether or not to destroy the US economy in order to... save it(?). It's like having a debate about whether or not to smear feces on your own face.
BUT OMG AT LEAST THEY'RE DEBATING THIS MEANS SOMETHING
BUT OMG AT LEAST THEY'RE DEBATING THIS MEANS SOMETHING
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Here's what you said.
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
the only radical party is the Democrats. They march in lockstep on every single issue, a solid voting block in all matters. Not once does a Democrat in the Senate buck his party. That's radical. You have Senators like Joe Manchin, a supposed moderate from West Virginia toeing the party line and voting 100% with Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is a self avowed Socialist. That's radical. There are no individuals in the Democratic party. There is no debate in the Democratic party. There are no "other ideas" in the Democratic party. They do whatever they are told extreme left. That's radical.
I'm curious where you mentioned anything about it only being important issues? Also, what makes you think that those unimportant issues split the vote at all? Fluff legislation usually passes with overwhelming majority on both sides. So an actual statistician would throw out all of those votes on both sides and you'd arrive at nearly the exact same numbers with just a smaller sample size. Not only do you have no grasp on the US legislative process, you don't know anything about statistics you claim support your moronic opinions.
OK so now you are shredding your own reference. Dig it.
Do you speak English?
Because your reference was vague and weighed "fluff" legislation equally to major politically charged legislation with massive consequences. Then did I see you just invent you own statistics? How many votes were fluff legislation? Can you at least provide that number you started with when calculating your "statistics."
Once again, fluff legislation almost always passes with overwhelming consensus regardless of party lines.
If 98% of pubs and 98% of dems vote yes on a fluff bill, you can subtract the entirety of that bill from the total on both sides and the statistic remains unchanged.
You don't get to pick apart even the most basic portions of fields you know nothing about. And this is 7th grade Algebra, so I'm guessing you didn't make it to 8th grade.
OK here is statistics by Jassick. Let's take a look at these numbers then of course ignore them and forget about numbers entirely. Now let's throw out this, this and a bunch of this and voila see both sides are equal. Throw in comment about grade school.
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