I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible..
As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay.
Edit: And we went to church on weds too.
I'm not saying you won't be okay as a person, I would just feel slighted at an older age to know that I was put into something I had no knowledge or say in when it is a huge personal factor/decision that can change your way of life as a whole.
Which was to my earlier point of a parent approaching their child with the perception of religion being an "ignorant pack of lies duh its so obvious!".
Very unfair to me.
It works both ways, yes. But IMO it would be best for the parents to remain neutral until the child has an understanding of what religion essentially is, and for them to follow whatever line of faith they feel most comfortable in.
Children wont gain an understanding of what religion is unless presented with a religion. It's not like school's are teaching children about different religions. I'm almost 22 years old, have been researching different religions for awhile, and I still don't understand "essentially what religion is."
So, I think your statement is wrong. If parents expose their children sure. But the only way to do that is to physically do it in some kind of fashion.
I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible..
As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay.
Edit: And we went to church on weds too.
=O lies! nobody leaves catholic private school religious!
I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible..
As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay.
Edit: And we went to church on weds too.
I'm not saying you won't be okay as a person, I would just feel slighted at an older age to know that I was put into something I had no knowledge or say in when it is a huge personal factor/decision that can change your way of life as a whole.
Which was to my earlier point of a parent approaching their child with the perception of religion being an "ignorant pack of lies duh its so obvious!".
Very unfair to me.
It works both ways, yes. But IMO it would be best for the parents to remain neutral until the child has an understanding of what religion essentially is, and for them to follow whatever line of faith they feel most comfortable in.
Children wont gain an understanding of what religion is unless presented with a religion. It's not like school's are teaching children about different religions. I'm almost 22 years old, have been researching different religions for awhile, and I still don't understand "essentially what religion is."
So, I think your statement is wrong. If parents expose their children sure. But the only way to do that is to physically do it in some kind of fashion.
I see what you're saying, but a child doesn't need to be immersed into something to know what something is. Children are curious, will ask many questions, and as long as you leave those doors open for them so that they can make a suitable choice for themselves as they grow up more, then the better IMO.
I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in. Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible..
As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay. Edit: And we went to church on weds too.
I'm not saying you won't be okay as a person, I would just feel slighted at an older age to know that I was put into something I had no knowledge or say in when it is a huge personal factor/decision that can change your way of life as a whole.
Which was to my earlier point of a parent approaching their child with the perception of religion being an "ignorant pack of lies duh its so obvious!". Very unfair to me.
It works both ways, yes. But IMO it would be best for the parents to remain neutral until the child has an understanding of what religion essentially is, and for them to follow whatever line of faith they feel most comfortable in.
Children wont gain an understanding of what religion is unless presented with a religion. It's not like school's are teaching children about different religions. I'm almost 22 years old, have been researching different religions for awhile, and I still don't understand "essentially what religion is." So, I think your statement is wrong. If parents expose their children sure. But the only way to do that is to physically do it in some kind of fashion.
I see what you're saying, but a child doesn't need to be immersed into something to know what something is. Children are curious, will ask many questions, and as long as you leave those doors open for them so that they can make a suitable choice for themselves as they grow up more, then the better IMO.
Children are very curious but I don't think they would ask anything about religion unless that had some sort of contact with it. Friends/classmates/seeing the building or what not. From a simple point of view going to church teaches some very good principles..is it 100% crucial that you have to be religious to be a good person..absolutely not.
I think it just needs to be 1 step further than being "neutral" and actually present children with many sides and ideas. Being proactive but balanced about it rather than sitting back silent (which is still fair I suppose), which I think is what Abri's point is in a nutshell.
I am just glad that I was raised in a home where religion wasn't everything..sure we went to church but nothing was forced on me and my parents would back me up if I ever had an issue with anything. Which is probably why I am ok with religion today..constantly being forced to do something with no desire to continue would make me hate it as well.
I myself am not christian, and my x husband is Catholic. His new wife is Methodist. My youngest daughter wants to learn about Christianity, so I am teaching her, and my oldest daughter goes to bible camp every summer and it's her choice. Both children were taught and exposed to a number of faiths, I took them each to visit churches, temples, ect. It will be their choice to make when they are older. Giving them a basis and a sense of themselves and a value system, but not forcing them to be anything. One is an honor student, and getting a 4 year scholarship, and speaks three languages, the other gets excellent grades and both are wonderful kids. ::shrug
I myself am not christian, and my x husband is Catholic. His new wife is Methodist. My youngest daughter wants to learn about Christianity, so I am teaching her, and my oldest daughter goes to bible camp every summer and it's her choice. Both children were taught and exposed to a number of faiths, I took them each to visit churches, temples, ect. It will be their choice to make when they are older. Giving them a basis and a sense of themselves and a value system, but not forcing them to be anything. One is an honor student, and getting a 4 year scholarship, and speaks three languages, the other gets excellent grades and both are wonderful kids. ::shrug
its ok, they'll be *** hating bible thumpers in no time
Sorry, been super busy. The boyfriend moves here in a week, been working double to pay for school clothes, and havn't had a change to get it. Forgive? :(
I myself am not christian, and my x husband is Catholic. His new wife is Methodist. My youngest daughter wants to learn about Christianity, so I am teaching her, and my oldest daughter goes to bible camp every summer and it's her choice. Both children were taught and exposed to a number of faiths, I took them each to visit churches, temples, ect. It will be their choice to make when they are older. Giving them a basis and a sense of themselves and a value system, but not forcing them to be anything. One is an honor student, and getting a 4 year scholarship, and speaks three languages, the other gets excellent grades and both are wonderful kids. ::shrug
its ok, they'll be *** hating bible thumpers in no time
LOL ~ egads I hope not, I have a lot of gay friends that they have known their entire lives.
Edit: As of 2010-10-05 14:48:06 CST, Ni reached 10,000 pages.
Since we all can't be on the same linkshell in game, this can be our cross server linkshell thread.
Like most linkshells, it can be pretty dead at times. Other times it's full of intense conversations about either rl, gear, goals, pokemon or anything else you want to contribute.
We can cover any sort of topic at all, within reason of the forum rules. No real main topic, just a bunch of FFXIAH friends/people coming on and discussing random things.
Yeah Chuu. Bringing you up to speed, Ludoggy is the LS pedophile. I'm the fountain of random and useless knowledge that makes you go "Hrm" with the occasional side of "holy shit he said what?"
Kungfu is the LS nutjob, spouting super random things that are usually sexist, until Savvy or Alyria comes into the room. Then he's a classic case of sexual harrassment. Rumaha is also true to the second part; we're wondering about his sexuality though.
Daj is Ludoggy's gay lover. Not much else is known about this Asuran. Tairo is kinda new, but since is a female and Alyria's lesbian lover, she fit right in real quick.
Celene(F) and Rowland(M) are more of the shyer members, but often say things that are witty, have a good pun and sometimes cause three page discussions. Celene hates when people hit on her. It doesn't stop them from trying.
Krizz is just social and likes to kill time here during work Tbest is about the same, except tends to be a douche to guys and affectionate toward girls.
Alyria is the most social female, gets groped a lot without provoking it by others, and Tairo ends up stabbing people for it. Cai is just a barrel of lols, I might be gay for him. If I wasn't straight.
Not sure about Citag, s/he's new. Kiriyu is just an in-out kinda person. Says one thing every three days that every guy makes a big fuss over. Ludoggy gets really defensive since she's asian and underage (might be 18 now).
Artem is the wayward soul that makes you ponder the meaning of life by constantly reminding us life can suck. But he deals, and so do we. About the same for Savannah, except people are more "AWH!" to her because of a vagina involved.
Dasva is the ex military man (as is Krizz but this doesn't apply to him) who hates the world and plots a way to destroy most of it.
Number2 is kinda like a mix between Cai and I; never bashes, likes to laugh and has odd avatars. His current suits a lot of the convos this LS gets into. Barti is most well known for his moustache. He gives mousatche rides for a fee. I'm missing a few people but whatever. CARRY ON!
Luelle Smells.
Roster of FFXIAH Ni (as of April 1st, 2010 Pocoyo avatar craze)
Happy b-day ls.
Heres my lame gift to AHLS, since Row is lame and took away the OP, I made my own!
Haseyo/Bignose: He's got a bigass nose, Leader of the RL avi revloution or some junk no one gives a crap about...crazy about his asian pop/rock bands and is a closet pedo. AKA LAME
Dameshi: wont level his sam sub and is a lolblu, LAME
Citag: Doesnt put out, Really lame
Dasva: Uses Chu as a cover up for his desire for me greased up and naked on his bed, Lame.
Rydiya/Bra+Panties: Secret lesbien, doesnt wear bra+panties, like to knit and other old people stuff (bingo)
Pikachu/Chu: Hi Chu, I love chu
Kryee/Socks: Noms on socks, wears the sam red pair everyday and frequently sniffs her arm pits.
Cheyne: Domo origoto, Mr Roboto...I think he's gay.
Urial: SOCCER IS LAME AND YOU'RE LAME.
Thundars: LOLCANADIAN
Spence: LOLFRENCHCANADIAN
Enterius/ghost: He's a ghost...he'll say something witty to me later.
Ixe: Ducky face and cant seem to get a straw in her mouth (can get other things in there though)
Mairah: She cool...lame
Bart: Full times OPO-OPO, free mustache rides otherwise LAME
Sav/Mango: Field trips, yay!
Aly/thatgreenmodthatwillbanmeifIsayanythingbad: *tapes*
Woody: You're not Italian...no tea for you.
Sectum: My apprentice...loves asian girls, loves to cook...he's awesome. put me in a story where I wasnt a pedo and that'd cool
Rum:STOP RAIDING MY BASEMENT AND TAKING AWAY MY GIRLS GAWD. Long Islander...lame
Valencea:Wont tell me the color of her undies, you lost the bet...no we cant get married...NO MEANS NO
Kojo:Open pedo...he likes scat, ewww
Tohsou: I think he's a pedo with a girlfriend as cover up, lame.
Kiriyu/strawberry: Lurk Less post moar! I see you what you are doing!
Krizz: Mohawk guy #1
Triet: Mohawk guy #1...wait
Bloodbathboy: The Hulk
Kungfuhustle: AH%DUE%$JNSRGHSRHHEYHEHSA Y%HEDHGSR EAT AHUYY DONKEY NUTS
Celene: Quit...Canadian...who the hell quits?
Tbest: MIA
Eternaltriumph: Where the hell has he been? Is he gone cause he got pussywhipped or something? Whatever...
#2: GOD...I miss him /cry
Luelle/otherlu: The Other Lu.
Zekky: Quit, kicking ass, raped me :\
Krystale/Girlwithpiercing: Magnets stick to her, Toke Canadian, hawt...she's 15 right?
Marzbarz: NINJA
Rowland: All your Pocoyo are belong to...him
Weewoo/Tool: He liked Asura and wont admit it.
Miemo: Has a mithra avi c.c
Kalyna: is a girl right? right? oh...lame
Gimmeurselables: TOO MUCH BOUNCE...TOO BIG, EWWWW
Sagittario: Lame elf whu runs around in a diaper subligar
Ludoggy: Faggot
Edit: The Family Ni Tree
Luelle's (And Citag's too!) birthday present
[h1]H1[/h1]
[h2]H2[/h2]
[h3]H3[/h3]
[figlet]Figlet[/figlet]
[spoiler="Custom spoiler!"][h1]Yay[/h1][/spoiler]
[soundcloud]http://soundcloud.com/matas/hobnotropic[/soundcloud]
Will try to get to more stuff when I can.
Disclaimer: Your Feelings May Get Hurt In Your Stay Here.
